December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RESPONSE FROM CYBERPROMO
by abusebot＠savetrees.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Version 10-9-96: Cyber Promotions has started to implement stricter Terms of Service policies WITH TEETH. We have just recently terminated several accounts for abuse of our policies. (Updated TOS at end of message). The following email accounts have been *recently TERMINATED... *jrtkjs(a)savetrees.com 10-9-96: Forgery and spamming INTERNET *jrtkjs(a)answerme.com "" "" "" "" "" "" *dollars(a)savetrees.com Non-existant account. The account was forged by the people who opened the accounts above. *info1(a)cyberpromo.com 10-8-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses *changes(a)answerme.com 9-30-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses *changes(a)cyberpromo.com 9-30-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses *changes(a)savetrees.com 9-30-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses *catalog(a)savetrees.com 9-30-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses *catalog(a)cyberpromo.com 9-30-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses *catalog(a)answerme.com 9-30-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses *eleven(a)answerme.com 9-28-96: Forgeries *eleven(a)savetrees.com 9-28-96: Forgeries *eleven(a)answerme.com 9-28-96: Forgeries *tsahk(a)cyberpromo.com 9-27-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses *tsahk(a)answerme.com 9-27-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses *icssender(a)omni.cyberpromo.com 9-19-96: FORGED unsolicited email, making it appear that Cyberpromo's auto-sender was responsible. If you are in receipt of the message, please look through the headers and complain to the appropriate postmasters. networkes(a)answerme.com 9-17-96: Ignored remove requests networkes(a)cyberpromo.com 9-17-96: Ignored remove requests networkes(a)savetrees.com 9-17-96: Ignored remove requests reminders(a)answerme.com 9-17-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses reminders(a)savetrees.com 9-17-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses reminders(a)cyberpromo.com 9-17-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses salespromo(a)answerme.com 9-16-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses salespromo(a)savetrees.com "" "" "" "" salespromo(a)cyberpromo.com "" "" "" "" promo(a)answerme.com "" "" "" "" promo(a)savetrees.com "" "" "" "" promo(a)cyberpromo.com "" "" "" "" info4free(a)answerme.com "" "" "" "" info4free(a)savetrees.com "" "" "" "" info4free(a)cyberpromo.com "" "" "" "" manda(a)cyberpromo.com 8-28: Massive abuse to INTERNET addresses / FORGERY manda(a)answerme.com 8-28: Massive abuse to INTERNET addresses / FORGERY website(a)cyberpromo.com 8-27: excessive abuse to AOL / removals ignored sevenmil(a)cyberpromo.com 8-27: excessive abuse / all removals ignored sevenmil(a)answerme.com 8-27: "" "" "" "" "" "" vera(a)cyberpromo.com vera(a)answerme.com zol(a)answerme.com website(a)answerme.com allied(a)cyberpromo.com allied(a)answerme.com lists(a)cyberpromo.com lists(a)answerme.com If you have a complaint about an account that was not listed above, please forward it to our President's personal account: wallace(a)cyberpromo.com We currently operate the following servers: answerme.com cyberpromo.com omni.cyberpromo.com gamut.cyberpromo.com We DO NOT operate the following servers: uunet interramp athens.servint cais postman.com powernet pwrsite Cyber Promotions is *not* in business to annoy people. We are in the business of sending (and assisting in sending) commercial (and noncommercial) email to people who are *not* offended by the receipt of these messages. Unfortunately, due to many experiences (many of which were out of our control) we have had some problems accomplishing our goals without upsetting some people. We are truly sorry about that fact, and we plan to "clean up the streets" as best as we can. Some people have been under the impression that all email that appears to come from cyberpromo.com, is from Cyber Promotions. That is not true. Most of the complaints that we have recently received have been in reaction to people who have "autoresponders" and "virtual email addresses" on our system. In that case, their mail would have referenced an account on our system, but originated from a different site. Unfortunately, software like Pegasus enables their mail to appear as if it came from us, driectly. But, their true origination is still evident in the headers. You can determine where it originated if you know how to decode headers. But when doing so, remember that Pegasus, for example, actually logs into *our* sendmail. At this time, the only messages that originate from Cyber Promotions, use our proprietary Cyber Sender 2.1+ protocol which will always be indicated in the organization: header. Due to these "look alikes," it could appear that recipients' remove request were being ignored. WE DO NOT IGNORE REMOVE REQUESTS. We now also maintain a "master" remove list of people who have asked to be removed from all commercial mailing lists. If you have received an email from "Cyber Sender 2.1+", our new proprietary transport agent protocol, then the remove features *do* work properly, now that all of the bugs have been fixed (uppercase and lowercase now match, too). No mail is allowed out of our system, if the recipient's address is in our master remove list. We currently have over 1.1 million email addresses in that file. If you wish to add your address to that master remove list, you can do so in two different ways. 1. You can send an email to remove(a)cyberpromo.com and type "REMOVE ALL" in the subject or message field. Our systems will automatically permanently remove from our system the email address from which you sent your request. 2. You may also send an email to manremove(a)cyberpromo.com and type as many email addresses as you wish in the body of the message, each on its own line, without any comments. The subject line is ignored. That address will also permanently remove the addresses. Please note: we have no control over mail that originates from other sites, that travel through our SMTP (relay-host) servers. We will simply terminate any accounts that we maintain, that is referred to in their abusive mail. ATTENTION PRODIGY MEMBERS: It has come to Cyber Promotions' attention, that some of you are having a major problem removing yourselves from our lists. This can be attributed to the "alias" that your outgoing mail may contain. If you are having problems, please send an email to manremove(a)cyberpromo.com and type both of your email addresses in the body of the message, each on its own line, without any comments. The subject line is ignored. You probably have one address like xazd35r(a)prodigy.com and another address like sanford(a)prodigy.com. ATTENTION PIPELINE MEMBERS: It has come to Cyber Promotions' attention, that some of you are having a major problem removing yourselves from our lists. This can be attributed to the "alias" that your outgoing mail may contain. If you are having problems, please send an email to manremove(a)cyberpromo.com and type your email addresses in the body of the message, each on its own line, without any comments. The subject line is ignored. You should type your email id followed by the following THREE domains. @usa.pipeline.com, @pipeline.com, @nyc.pipeline.com. Even if you feel that your address is definately only one of the three possibilities, you should still remove all three addresses (each on its own line). ATTENTION INTERNET USERS: It has come to Cyber Promotions' attention, that some of you are having a major problem removing yourselves from our lists. This can be attributed to the "alias" that your outgoing mail may contain. If you are having problems, please send an email to manremove(a)cyberpromo.com and type your email addresses in the body of the message, each on its own line, without any comments. The subject line is ignored. If your email address could contain an alias like mail.domain.com or if you may have more that one email address that points to another email address, you should remove them all. If you wish to remove *every* email address in your domain, please contact us, and we will "grep" out every possibility. REVISED TERMS OF SERVICE: (We are also looking into the possibility that we may be forced to adopt the policies of our backbone providers. For the time being, we are emulating their policies as best as we can while matching the needs of our operations.) 1. We do not allow postings to inappropriate newsgroups with reference to your account because such postings result in *MUCH* more negative response than positive. 2. We prohibit the advertising of offensive material (ie. pornography, weapons, etc). 3. You may not use the account to participate in illegal activities. 4. Our TOS strictly prohibits the sending of mass commercial emails to INTERNET addresses, unless expressed permission has been granted to you by the recipient. In addition, you *must* honor all requests for removal from your mailing list in a diligent manner. Our service can be used in conjunction with advertisements that you place with a bulk email company other than your own or us, as long as they follow the same guidelines. 5. Cyber Promotions reserves the right to terminate any account for any reason at any time, without notice. If you would like to send a complaint about any account @cyberpromo.com or @answerme.com or @omni.cyberpromo.com that has not been terminated, please send email to: wallace(a)cyberpromo.com

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ASIO encryption ?
by Benjamin Grosman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear All, Does anyone happen to know what encryption methods, algorithms, or procedures ASIO (Australian Secret Intelligence Organisation) uses? Any information regarding ASIO's methods, cryptographic or otherwise, would be appreciated. Yours Sincerely, Benjamin Grosman

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VOO_doo
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

October 25 Science reports on the latest teleportation research in "To Send Data, Physicists Resort to Quantum Voodoo." It describes a laser-driven apparatus for transmitting highly secure encoded (but not encrypted) messages via entangled photon states. IBM's Charles Bennett says, "as other researchers work to harness quantum mechanics for computation and cryptography, teleportation could become the equivalent of a quantum mail service." ----- http://jya.com/voodoo.htm VOO_doo (txt) Science is at: http://www.sciencemag.org/

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URG_ent
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

11-02-96. "Transaction Records Urged for Smart Cards" Electronic money systems must generate transaction records to help law enforcement agencies track money launderers, a senior Justice Department official said last week. "In a paper environment ... we can get bank records, we can get credit card records. Our goal is only to preserve this ability." "Internet insecurity " Jeff Schiller: The Web has a lot of potential vulnerabilities. There's plenty I know about that I don't want to talk about. People who know about the vulnerabilities are reluctant to talk about them because if we disclose what we know to the public, the bad guys will take advantage. And if we address them with the vendor community, they don't do anything about them. There's a lot of hooey out there. Never trust the advice of someone selling you a product, especially if the sales pitch is, "My product makes your problem go away." "RSA offers kit for secure credit-card transactions" RSA Data Security, Inc. will announce today a tool kit for developing secure applications that support credit-card transactions on the Internet called S/Pay in support of SET. "Medcom introduces a "Super Cafe" data encryption product" Medcom's latest data encryption product, the Secure Socket Relay (SSR), features strong encryption with full key length (56-bits DES). A demo version can be downloaded at http://www.medcom.se/. "On Technology's Security White Paper" "Taking The Threat Out Of Network Security," will stimulate the industry into discussing some of the issues of security that face the Internet industry and its users. Copies of the paper are available on request from On Technology. The company's Web site is at http://www.ontech.co.uk . ----- http://jya.com/urgent.txt (21 kb) URG_ent ---------- In another story on gov-spooked insecurity: NEC announced that it successfully demonstrated country-to- country virtual private networking (VPN). During the tests, privacy and security was maintained between the two sites by deploying DES and triple-DES encryption. Since DES encryption technology cannot be exported from the United States, a Japanese version of DES, developed outside the U.S., was used.

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Re: [NOISE]Re: Dr. Vulis
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 3 Nov 96 at 15:44, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SANDY SANDFORT > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > C'punks, > > > Just want to add my 2 cents. I am also unhappy with the fact that > > he was removed. My personal correspondence with Vulis has been > > friendly and he has been very helpful. > > Then I suggest that Ross not remove Dimitri from his private > e-mail correspondence. On this list, however, Dimitri was NOT > friendly NOR helpful. > > Wha do Ross' or anyone else's private interactions have to do > with the decisions of those who pay for this list's existance? In fact, nothing. I just wanted to show that this coin has 2 sides. Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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beth mclean-knight
by mcleane＠stu.beloit.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: FW: Dr. Vulis is not on cypherpunks any more
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:08 PM 11/3/96 -0800, blanc <blancw(a)cnw.com> wrote: >Vulis did everything to set himself up for what he got, did he not. Indeed - my hunch is that this is the result that Vulis was determined to get, and would have done whatever was necessary to bring it about. Now he can cry that he is the "victim" of evil censorship, and he can wear the white hat of virtue - notwithstanding that he consciously sought to be censored, and has himself contributed mightily towards the (temporary) destruction of an otherwise useful list. Now he can leave the list with his "virtue" and his pride intact; something he could not have done had he simply unsubscribed himself. There are plenty of people who would have (and will) help him if he manages to come up with something on-topic to say. But, short-term, he's gotten what he was looking for (a chance to play victim) and we get a list with less crap on it. Perhaps we should have a moment of silence for Dmitri Vulis, sympathetic victim, target of dastardly censors, paragon of virtue and righteousness. I'll go ahead and have mine now. Given that John Gilmore is the source of the oft-repeated "The net sees censorship as damage and routes around it" quote, it strikes me as unlikely that he took the steps he did without some reflection on their meaning, consequences, and chances of success. -- Greg Broiles | "We pretend to be their friends, gbroiles(a)netbox.com | but they fuck with our heads." http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | |

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Re: anonymous oddsman
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: > > At 04:55 PM 11/2/96 -0600, you wrote: > >Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > >> > Prices @ 09:21 GMT Sat 2nd Nov 96 > >> > +---------+----------------+----------------+ > >> > | | Ladbroke's | William Hill | > >> > +---------+----------------+----------------+ > >> > | Clinton | Not currently offered by either | > >> > | Dole | 6:1 | 10:1 | > >> > >> Whew! They are wide open for arbitrage! Suppose that at Ladbroke I sell > >> an obligation to pay $6 if Dole wins (they are apparently valuing it for > >> this much), collecting $1. At the same time, to hedge my exposure, I go > >> to "William Hill", and purchase their obligation to pay _me_ $10 if Bob > >> Dole wins, paying the $1 bill that I just got at Ladbroke's. > >> If bob dole loses, I lose nothing. If he wins, I make $4 out of air. > >> I wonder why the beting markets are so imperfect. > > Unless I've been misinterpreting the charts, you can't do it. > You can go to Ladbroke's and put down a pound on Dole, > and if Dole wins they'll give you 6. But if you want to bet that > Dole will lose and Clinton will win, they'll tell you > "Of course that's going to happen, silly. Keep your money." > Both houses are still willing to take the risk that Dole will win > and give you odds on it; neither house is willing to take any > additional risk involving paying people money if Clinton wins; > they've found all the takers they want for that. If I am not mistaken, your objection has merit. My argument, however, does not require one of the houses (Ladbroke's) accepts the reverse bets (which pay me money of Clinton wins). My argument runs like this. There are persons hanging around Landbroke who apparently think that if they give Landbroke $1 in return for the promise to pay them $6 if Dole wins, they get a good deal. It is these people together with "William Hill" whom we exploit. What I do is the following: I go to the Ladbroke's and offer to pay the gamblers not $6, but $6.01 if Dole wins. Being somewhat rational, these traders gamblers see a better deal than Ladbroke's offers, and give me their $1 bills. This is very simple. I take their $1 bills and run to "William Hill", where I take another side of the bet. If Clinton wins, I get nothing and lose nothing. If Dole wins, I gain $3.99 on every bet that these suckers agreed to make with me. That was the essense of arbitrage that I propose. Again, as I said, there is a way to make sure money on this situation, that is, to make money even if Klinton wins. The arbitrage strategy is the following: as before, I go to the Ladbroke's and offer to pay them not $6, but $6.01 if Dole wins. I take their $1 bills and go to "William Hill". I buy, however, LESS bets than dollar bills that I received. In particular, I buy $6.01 / $10.00 bets for each dollar that I receive. The remaining money $1(1-6.01/10) I simply take to my bank. This money is mine: if Clinton wins, nobody gets anything; if Dole wins, I get exactly enough money from "William Hill" to pay off my debts to the gamblers at Ladbroke's. - Igor.

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Re: Discrete logs 1 [non-cryptography related annecdote] [NOISE]
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 03 Nov 1996 09:36:32 -0800, Dale Thorn wrote: >> >properties than regular logarithms, but I thought this bit of history >> >would spark some memories in old-timers and give a new perspective for >> >younger people. >[snip] >> The same thing goes on with SATs and especially SAT-IIs. Some higher-end >> calculators, esp. HPs, have plugin cartridges which automate much of the >> basic work in chemistry, physics, etc. I never saw anyone who used such >> things even get asked about it. Do we even need social engineering with >> people this stupid? >Technology has a base, much like a pyramid. When you add enough layers, you can't >find very many people who can traverse top to bottom and understand all of what's >in between. How true... >I consider it a miracle when a student has the quality of consciousness to buck the >trend and get themself a quality instrument (such as an HP-48SX/GX), since once they >do that, they might be encouraged to explore further. Were this the way it actually happened, I'd tend to agree. However, the group that bought high-end calculators solely to do things like this was proably about 50-60% of the total. # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # <cadams(a)acucobol.com> | send mail with subject "send PGPKEY" "That's our advantage at Microsoft; we set the standards and we can change them." --- Karen Hargrove, Microsoft (quoted in the Feb 1993 Unix Review editorial)

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Re: Censorship on cypherpunks
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 3 Nov 1996 18:54:16 -0500 (EST), Will French wrote: > Except it's not very effective, is it, since he's still >posting flames? In any case, it's an admission on John >Gilmore's part that libertarianism can't work without some >measure of authoritarianism; the only argument is over _just how >much_ authoritarianism we need. > I'm quite upset about this. Up to now I was able to tell >people that "there is at least one mailing list on the net that >functions in a completely open manner". No more. This has been taken far too seriously. Cypherpunks is a *PRIVATE* list. There is no obligation to accept anyone. # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # <cadams(a)acucobol.com> | send mail with subject "send PGPKEY" "That's our advantage at Microsoft; we set the standards and we can change them." --- Karen Hargrove, Microsoft (quoted in the Feb 1993 Unix Review editorial)

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