December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Me again -- apologies and explanations
by h2＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I dont know what the hell is happening; My friend comes over and he is really intrested in all this stuff...I want to apologize for any trouble caused...My name goes with every damn message...Again, sorry everyone. Guess he wanted to rather have me screwed then him. Im unsubscribing...

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$30_bil
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

10-27-96. NYP Book Review: SECRET AGENCIES U.S. Intelligence in a Hostile World. By Loch K. Johnson. 262 pp. New Haven: Yale University Press. $30. Johnson, formerly assistant to Les Aspin, aims to explain what the dozen American intelligence agencies actually do with $30 billion a year. Absent the cartoon heroics, it's not far from Tom Clancy. Mr. Johnson avoids mushy reflections on the human costs of covert action -- this book is clearly meant for policy wonks -- but does note that "the long-term consequences of covert actions have seldom been foreseen -- and have often proved detrimental to the United States." ----- http://jya.com/$30bil.txt (5 kb) Server's got lead in its. Try, try. ftp://jya.com/pub/incoming/$30bil.txt $30_bil

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Command confirmation request (7B3F47)
by L-Soft list server at EDS (1.8b) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Your command: SIGNOFF COOL_TRAVELS has been received. For security reasons, you are now required to reply to this message, as explained below, to confirm the execution of your command. If you have problems with this procedure, you can contact the list owner directly (COOL_TRAVELS-request(a)LISTSERV.XWEB.EDS.COM) and ask to be manually removed from the list. To confirm the execution of your command, simply reply to the present message and type "ok" (without the quotes) as the text of your message. Just the word "ok" - do not retype the command. This procedure will work with any mail program that fully conforms to the Internet standards for electronic mail. If you receive an error message, try sending a new message to LISTSERV(a)LISTSERV.XWEB.EDS.COM (without using the "reply" function - this is very important) and type "ok 7B3F47" as the text of your message. Finally, your command will be cancelled automatically if you do not confirm it within 48h. After that time, you must start over and resend the command to get a new confirmation code. If you change your mind and decide that you do NOT want to confirm the command, simply discard the present message and let the command expire on its own.

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Output of your job "cypherpunks"
by L-Soft list server at EDS (1.8b) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> ok 203E30 Confirming: > SIGNOFF COOL_TRAVELS You have been removed from the COOL_TRAVELS list. Summary of resource utilization ------------------------------- CPU time: 0.016 sec Device I/O: 1 Overhead CPU: 0.008 sec Paging I/O: 0 CPU model: IP22

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IEEE P1363 Meeting Notice
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 10:59:00 -0400 (EDT) To: Multiple Recipients of e$pam <e$pam(a)intertrader.com> From: e$pam(a)intertrader.com (e$pam) Reply-To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com X-Comment: To unsubscribe, send an email to e$pam-request(a)intertrader.com X-Comment: containing the command "unsubscribe e$pam" Precedence: Bulk Subject: IEEE P1363 Meeting Notice X-orig-from: gor(a)theory.lcs.mit.edu (Raymond Sidney) (by way of rah(a)shipwright.com X-e$pam-source: Various Forwarded by Robert Hettinga ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Oct 1996 21:36:39 GMT From: gor(a)theory.lcs.mit.edu (Raymond Sidney) (by way of rah(a)shipwright.com (Robert A. Hettinga)) To: rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: IEEE P1363 Meeting Notice Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Mime-Version: 1.0 Path: news-central.tiac.net!news-in.tiac.net!news-in3.tiac.net!news.sprintlink.net!ne w s-dc-5.sprintlink.net!voskovec.radio.cz!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.ruhr-uni-boc h um.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news.gtn.com!blackbush.xlink.net!t a nk.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!h u nter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems fair to say that if power was morely fairly distributed around the world, we could expect to see more cryptologists of the class of Chaum and Goldwasser, since third world people with similairly high aptitudes for the subject could think about these higher level (in terms of Maslow) things instead of how to avoid starvation. It also seems fair that we could expect the publication of more cryptological schemes that put governments at a disadvantage if the countless, starving third world people were just above the level of starvation and thinking of government collapse instead. These two points suggest that the millions of deaths in the third world have delayed the very collapse of governments that cryptoanarchists dream about in their beds at night. Now it could be argued that this is all in the past since cypherpunks already posses enough knowledge about cryptology to acheive the collapse of governments and all they are doing is waiting for the inevitable now and flaming each other to pass the time. :) What will cryptoanarchists do after the collapse of governments, though? If the ultimate goal of cryptoanarchy is to transfer power into the hands of the information producers and traders, then it seems that the third world presents a huge reservoir of potential information producers. Thus, cypherpunks ought to care about the conditions there. Here is a scenario cryptoanarchists might enjoy: Some corporations which rely primary on the actualization of scientific ideas into products along information traders buy the ownership of the resources from other corporations in the third world, and turn them back over to the people there. The third world people are then free from low-level material worries and can put their energy into information production, which the people controlling the information trade are careful to reward properly. Note that, under this scenario, the improvement of conditions in the Third World does not imply a diminishing of the power of the West with respect to the rest of the world: The West will still dominate the actualization of scientific ideas into products as they already own the capital to do that. Also they can will still own the computer networks the information is traded on. Thus, the impact of material resouce loss is minimalized over the long term. Note also that the conditions do not have to be much above the level of guarenteeing non-starvation, either. Consider, for instance, how far Eastern European students are ahead of Western students in terms of scientific and mathematical knowledge. The conditions there can hardly be thought of as being much above non-starvation levels. Under this scheme the information traders benefit. The corporations which actualize scientific ideas benefit. The corporations which sell their ownership of third world resources benefit. The information producers in the third world benefit. The non-information producers in the third world no longer starve, as well, so people can feel better that they are living in a happier world! Once Westerners start exploiting untapped information production resevoirs like Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, all this good stuff might actually happen, too! :)

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems fair to say that if power was morely fairly distributed around the world, we could expect to see more cryptologists of the class of Chaum and Goldwasser, since third world people with similairly high aptitudes for the subject could think about these higher level (in terms of Maslow) things instead of how to avoid starvation. It also seems fair that we could expect the publication of more cryptological schemes that put governments at a disadvantage if the countless, starving third world people were just above the level of starvation and thinking of government collapse instead. These two points suggest that the millions of deaths in the third world have delayed the very collapse of governments that cryptoanarchists dream about in their beds at night. Now it could be argued that this is all in the past since cypherpunks already posses enough knowledge about cryptology to acheive the collapse of governments and all they are doing is waiting for the inevitable now and flaming each other to pass the time. :) What will cryptoanarchists do after the collapse of governments, though? If the ultimate goal of cryptoanarchy is to transfer power into the hands of the information producers and traders, then it seems that the third world presents a huge reservoir of potential information producers. Thus, cypherpunks ought to care about the conditions there. Here is a scenario cryptoanarchists might enjoy: Some corporations which rely primary on the actualization of scientific ideas into products along information traders buy the ownership of the resources from other corporations in the third world, and turn them back over to the people there. The third world people are then free from low-level material worries and can put their energy into information production, which the people controlling the information trade are careful to reward properly. Note that, under this scenario, the improvement of conditions in the Third World does not imply a diminishing of the power of the West with respect to the rest of the world: The West will still dominate the actualization of scientific ideas into products as they already own the capital to do that. Also they can will still own the computer networks the information is traded on. Thus, the impact of material resouce loss is minimalized over the long term. Note also that the conditions do not have to be much above the level of guarenteeing non-starvation, either. Consider, for instance, how far Eastern European students are ahead of Western students in terms of scientific and mathematical knowledge. The conditions there can hardly be thought of as being much above non-starvation levels. Under this scheme the information traders benefit. The corporations which actualize scientific ideas benefit. The corporations which sell their ownership of third world resources benefit. The information producers in the third world benefit. The non-information producers in the third world no longer starve, as well, so people can feel better that they are living in a happier world! Once Westerners start exploiting untapped information production resevoirs like Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, all this good stuff might actually happen, too! :)

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(no subject)
by Michael Cortes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsuscribe cypherpunks

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Fed Ct hrg re Diffie-Hellman & Hellman-Merkle patents
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A hearing is scheduled in federal district court in San Jose for 10/30 at 10:00 AM on _Schlafly v. Public Key Partners_ and _RSA Datasec v. Cylink_. The hearing is on defendant Cylink's motion(s) for summary judgment regarding the validity of the Diffie-Hellman and Hellman-Merkle patents. The district court is located at 280 S. First in San Jose. Judge Williams is in Courtroom 4 on the 5th floor. There are 12 matters scheduled at 10:00 AM so it's unlikely that this matter will be heard at exactly 10:00. (It's listed as fifth in the court calendar in The Register and the Daily Journal, but I've got no clue about their algorithm for calling cases.) I don't know if it will be interesting or boring. The fewer metal things you bring the faster you can get through the metal detectors. More information is available at <http://www.cruzio.com/~schlafly> and <http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1005230/0000950005-96-000312.txt>. -- Greg Broiles | "We pretend to be their friends, gbroiles(a)netbox.com | but they fuck with our heads." http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | |

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Tim May is a fine person.
by anonymous＠miron.vip.best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May is the author of "The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto" and the "Cypherpunks FAQ". These seminal works do much to promote the cypherpunk concept, whereby ordinary people can limit the power of government to snoop on their communications, by using the power of cryptography. By tirelessly promoting strong unescrowed cryptography, Tim May frightens those that would enslave us all. His opposition to the oppressive ITAR regs puts Tim May among those who work to advance the development of culture and against those who would work to suppress it. Much of the time devoted to these concerns could have been devoted to purely personal goals. Tim May must be hailed as a truly noble supporter of the advance of freedom and humanity.

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