December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

UNR_avl
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

12-06-96, NYT: Compromise on Encryption Exports Seems to Unravel "We really feel that there has been a bait and switch situation and I'm not going to be silent about it," said Roel Pieper, chief executive and vice chairman of Tandem Computers. A Nov. 15 executive order that transferred export oversight to Commerce contained several new wrinkles that even previous industry supporters consider potential deal breakers. For one thing, the Justice Department would play a consulting role to the Commerce Department, which industry executives see as giving law-enforcement officials too big a role in the export process. And they contend that the order prescribes a system that might enable law-enforcement officials to unscramble messages while they are being transmitted, rather than after the fact, as the IBM compromise had seemed to specify. ----- http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/1206encrypt.html UNR_avl

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stop annoying me
by Perry E. Metzger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone is sending me lots of requests, with forged from addresses, asking that the cryptography mailing list sign up "cypherpunks(a)toad.com" for the cryptography mailing list. I'm obviously not going to do it. The only result repeated requests will have is that I'll put in a regexp to filter all the mail with these stupid requests. In other words, stop. There is no point. Perry

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Aghast..
by TQDB 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I couldn't believe my eyes when reading through Inter@ctive Week's "The Driving Forces of Cyberspace" Top 25 list I saw that Louis J. Freeh, Director of the FBI received an Honorable Mention because of him supposedly believing that "Encryption is an inalienable right." I suppose that isn't necessarily a lie, but it would need the word "Weak" added on to the front in order to qualify it. Anyway, I was quite disappointed in seeing their poor choice of this candidate. .TQDB -=| T.Q.D.B. - tqdb(a)wichita.fn.net - http://www.feist.com/~tqdb |=- "The term 'hacker' is not necessarily derogatory. A small percentage of them give the rest a bad name." --Special Agent Andrew Black, FBI SF Computer Crime Squad

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re: Gilmore / Logos
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Heh. Think again. Logos is obviously someone who has a lot of time on his/her hands. Consider the volume of Gilmore over the last several months compared to the volume of Logos over the last several days. Gilmore has quite a bit more on his mind than how people behave on CP. Logos' identity is clearly not Gilmore. I doubt Gilmore even reads CP anymore. So who _is_ Logos. We know that Logos: 1)Tim May suspects who Logos is 2)Is a prolific poster 3)Intends to combat DLV/DT and other Detweilers The oddest tidbit yet is Tim May's posting to the *list* "P.S. I certainly hope this "Logos" nym is not who I suspect it is, as this will surely end our Real World friendship. A fucking bozo." This post clearly is an act of misdirection. If May had a personal bone to pick with someone he actually knows than what purpose does it serve to announce this to the list? Nothing less than to preempt the obvious assertation that Logos is Tim May. W.W. Brierson

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Re: Laptops and TEMPEST
by thad＠hammerhead.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'll bet that the laptop that was radiating stuff was doing it from the external VGA port that many laptops have, rather than from the LCD screen. thad -- Thaddeus Beier thad(a)hammerhead.com Visual Effects Supervisor 408) 287-6770 Hammerhead Productions http://www.got.net/people/thad

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RE: Silence is not assent (re the Vulis nonsense)
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Dale Thorn If you could analogize the list to a human society, then you might understand that a pattern of decadence can set in here as it does in the more visible society, as is run from Washington DC, etc. It is my hope to make a contribution here (as in the more visible society) to fight off some of that decadence, even when I get beat up on for it. ................................................. There is a huge the difference between a society of people relating to each other based on principles of coercion vs an extemporaneous society of individuals who make their own decisions (daily) about when/where/how long they will associate with another. The society run by Washington,D.C. expects that people will have no choice but to fly in formation in the direction set by the leader who represents the majority (sort of). The virtual "society" of the cpunks is only based on their interest in opening up their mail and reading a few messages here & there according to their mood of the day or the moment. It is true that formal societies, like the one which was initially intended by The Founders (of the US), often run afoul of the original purpose for which it was begun. They decay for many reasons. This is precisely one of the elements in the background of the cpunks thinking ("the founders" and others) about societies and the "ties that bind" (supposedly) us to each other: the interest in being released from that supposition that we are bound to each other and are obligated to maintain a relationship of some kind (as determined by the PC moral 'authorities'). The concepts are too involved to discuss the details on this list, but the fact that individuals do not maintain a steady and predictable course throughout their lifetime, or the lifetime of the projects which they begin, is the very reason why your attempts at "fighting off the decadence" are doomed: the objects of your attention may not hang around on the list long enough to be reformed. Remember the purpose of the list is discussion & information, not moral rehabilitation (except as it clears the intellectual air regarding privacy & potential crimes to humanity). It could happen that some decadent subscriber would "see the light" and behave themselves, but if it does I expect it would be an indirect side-effect and the result of their own desire to change their style & manners. .. Blanc > >

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Proof that "cypher punks" have complete degenerated...
by John Fricker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM (dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com) said something about Proof that "cypher punks" have complete degenerated... on or about 12/6/96 9:17 AM > >No one even commented on the latest Dr. Dobbs issue. Oh? If you had something to follow up on my postings re: RIPEMD-160 and the Bozoki interview I didn't see them. --j ----------------------------------- | John Fricker (jfricker(a)vertexgroup.com) | -random notes- | My PGP public key is available by sending me mail with subject "send pgp key". | www.Program.com is a good programmer web site. -----------------------------------

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Re: Aghast..
by Will Rodger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Folks - just for the record - the Freeh summary was a CLEAR typo, or at least vague in its meaning. Someone meant to say Freeh thought it was an *alienable* right. So much for cute phraseology. Then again, anyone familiar with the numerous pieces we've run on crypto would likely have guessed at our meaning. Sen. Conrad Burns, after all, was #21 on our list. > I couldn't believe my eyes when reading through Inter@ctive Week's > "The Driving Forces of Cyberspace" Top 25 list I saw that Louis J. > Freeh, Director of the FBI received an Honorable Mention because of him > supposedly believing that "Encryption is an inalienable right." I > suppose that isn't necessarily a lie, but it would need the word "Weak" > added on to the front in order to qualify it. Anyway, I was quite > disappointed in seeing their poor choice of this candidate. And yes, my face is at least as my hair, right now....... Will Rodger Washington Bureau Chief Inter@ctive Week

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Re: Aghast..
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Will Rodger <rodger(a)worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 16:48:05 -0500 From: Will Rodger <rodger(a)worldnet.att.net> To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Re: Aghast.. Folks - just for the record - the Freeh summary was a CLEAR typo, or at least vague in its meaning. Someone meant to say Freeh thought it was an *alienable* right. So much for cute phraseology. Then again, anyone familiar with the numerous pieces we've run on crypto would likely have guessed at our meaning. Sen. Conrad Burns, after all, was #21 on our list. > I couldn't believe my eyes when reading through Inter@ctive Week's > "The Driving Forces of Cyberspace" Top 25 list I saw that Louis J. > Freeh, Director of the FBI received an Honorable Mention because of him > supposedly believing that "Encryption is an inalienable right." I > suppose that isn't necessarily a lie, but it would need the word "Weak" > added on to the front in order to qualify it. Anyway, I was quite > disappointed in seeing their poor choice of this candidate. And yes, my face is at least as my hair, right now....... Will Rodger Washington Bureau Chief Inter@ctive Week --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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CDA Again
by gorkab＠sanchez.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Supreme Court to hear Internet indecency case December 6, 1996 Web posted at: 2:45 p.m. EST WASHINGTON (Reuter) -- The Supreme Court agreed Friday to hear a landmark case on free-speech rights in cyberspace arising from a federal law that effectively bans indecent material on the Internet global computer network. http://www.cnn.com/US/9612/06/scotus.reut/index.html

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