December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Denial of service attack
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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[URGENT] PGP Signatures
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Fwd:[Yet another -onics..]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mike Denney wrote: > > ----- Begin Included Message ----- > > >From sysgu-1(a)PaloAlto01.pop.internex.net Thu Jan 30 14:31 PST 1997 > Subject: Fwd:[Yet another -onics..] > To: "Sonni Zambino" <sonni(a)dentistat.com>, "Mike Denney" <gomez(a)BASISinc.com>, > "Jim Staudenheimer" <JnCStaud(a)aol.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > ***************************** > "GEEKONICS" IS JUST A BEGINNING > by John Woestendiek > Philadelphia Inquirer > Wed., January 8, 1997 > ***************************** > > NEWS BULLETIN: Saying it will improve the education of children who > have grown up immersed in computer lingo, the school board in San > Jose, Calif., has officially designated computer English, or > "Geekonics", as a second language. > > The historic vote on Geekonics - a combination of the word "geek" and > the word "phonics" - came just weeks after the Oakland school board > recognized black English, or Ebonics, as a distinct language. > > "This entirely reconfigures our parameters," Milton "Floppy" > Macintosh, chairman of Geekonics Unlimited, said after the school > board became the first in the nation to recognize Geekonics. > "No longer are we preformatted for failure," Macintosh said during a > celebration that saw many Geekonics backers come dangerously close to > smiling. "Today, we are rebooting, implementing a program to process > the data we need to interface with all units of humanity." > > Controversial and widely misunderstood, the Geekonics movement was > spawned in California's Silicon Valley, where many children have grown > up in households headed by computer technicians, programmers, engineers > and scientists who have lost ability to speak plain English and have > inadvertently passed on their high-tech vernacular to their children. > > HELPING THE TRANSITION > > While schools will not teach the language, increased teacher awareness > of Geekonics, proponents say, will help children make the transition > to standard English. Those students, in turn, could possibly help > their parents learn to speak in a manner that would lead listeners to > believe that they have actual blood coursing through their veins. > > "Bit by bit, byte by byte, with the proper system development, with > nonpreemptive multitasking, I see no reason why we can't download the > data we need to modulate our oral output," Macintosh said. The > designation of Ebonics and Geekonics as languages reflects a growing > awareness of our nation's lingual diversity, experts say. Other groups > pushing for their own languages and/or vernaculars to be declared > official viewed the Geekonics vote as a step in the right direction. > > "This is just, like, OK, you know, the most totally kewl thing, like, > ever," said Jennifer Notat-Albright, chairwoman of the Committee for > the Advancement of Valleyonics, headquartered in Southern California. > "I mean, like, you know?" she added. > > THEY'RE HAPPY IN DIXIE > > Yeee-hah," said Buford "Kudzu" Davis, president of the Dixionics > Coalition. "Y'all gotta know I'm as happy as a tick on a sleeping > bloodhound about this." Spokesmen for several subchapters of Dixionics > - including Alabonics, Tennesonics and Louisionics - also said they > approved of the decision. Bill Flack, public information officer for > the Blue Ribbon Task Force on Bureaucratonics said that his > organization would not comment on the San Jose vote until it convened > a summit meeting, studied the impact, assessed the feasibility, > finalized a report and drafted a comprehensive action plan, > which, once it clears the appropriate subcommittees and is voted on, > will be made public to those who submit the proper information-request > forms. > > Proponents of Ebonics heartily endorsed the designation of Geekonics > as an official language. > > "I ain't got no problem wif it," said Earl E. Byrd, president of the > Ebonics Institute. "You ever try talkin' wif wunna dem computer dudes? > Don't matter if it be a white computer dude or a black computer dude; > it's like you be talkin' to a robot - RAM, DOS, undelete, MegaHertZ. > Ain't nobody understands. But dey keep talkin' anyway. 'Sup wif dat?" > Those involved in the lingual diversity movement believe that only by > enacting many different English languages, in addition to all the > foreign ones practiced here, can we all end up happily speaking the > same boring one, becoming a nation that is both unified in its > diversity, and diversified in its unity. Others say that makes no > sense at all. In any language. > > ----- End Included Message -----

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UNSCRIBE
by XaViUs＠pe.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

UNSCRIBE

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Re: Libel & the 1st Amendment (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:28:56 -0500 (EST) > From: "Mark M." <markm(a)voicenet.com> > > Anyone can afford a contingency-free attorney as long as the plaintiff has a > good chance of being awarded damages. This has the benefit that the legal > system doesn't get overcrowded with frivolous cases. Really? And what if the out come is nothing more than a public statement in the local newspaper that the original statement was not true and paying the court costs? I doubt you will find a single attorney who will take the case because there is no profit for them. > If the legal concept of libel is abandoned, this presumption will largely > disappear. People will have to rely on the credibility of the source, instead > of whether or not the victim of libel has sued. Really? And just exactly do you base this assumption on? Historicaly it would seem that people want to believe the dirty grit about people. If they didn't they wouldn't make the National Inquirer as successful as it is. No, in general people don't give a crap about the real truth or falsity of the statement unless it directly impacts them in some manner. What they are interested in is entertainment, something the law should not provide. The real issue is whether a Democracy can exist in an environment where there is no requirement of honesty and truth from its citizens. I would contend that it can't since the democratic process itself is representative of those people and their beliefs. If you really and truly belive a democratic society can exist with no recognition of and protection for reputation we will just have to respectfuly disagree. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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News: Panic! Internet is full of terrorists!
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm really sick and tired of this hypocritical bullshit from our executive branch. On one hand, we have FBI + CIA + NSA crying terrorists and child pornographers can get away with their crimes if networks are secured with cryptography. On the other hand, we also have presidential panels crying that our networks are vulnerable to terrorists if we don't do some serious security overhauls. What the *#@!! do they want? If you outlaw security software, then stop whining that the networks aren't secure! If you want secure networks, stop whining about the encryption "problem". Either the network is secure or it isn't. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! Ern -------- QUOTED ARTICLE FROM: San Jose Mercury (Jan 31, 1997) PRESIDENTIAL PANEL WARNS OF CYBERATTACK THREAT Critics charge danger overstated, could lead to unwarranted intrusion on Net Published: Jan. 31, 1997 BY RORY J. O'CONNOR Mercury News Washington Bureau WASHINGTON -- The United States faces a serious risk of cyberattacks against vital computer-controlled networks, attacks that could threaten the nation's security or economy, according to a presidential commission evaluating the threat. [SNIP] -------- Ernest Hua, Software Sanitation Engineer Chromatic Research, 615 Tasman Drive, Sunnyvale, CA 94089-1707 Phone: 408 752-9375, Fax: 408 752-9301, E-Mail: hua(a)chromatic.com

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Re: Libel & the 1st Amendment (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 23:23:18 -0600 (CST) > From: ichudov(a)algebra.com > > I can give you an example. > > ``Jim Choate invented an improved bubble sort method, called BSAM.'' > > This is undoubtedly false since you likely did not invent any sorting > method. But you would not be able to get any damages (is that correct?) Under the present system? Yes, it would not be worth a lawyers time to process the appropriate paperwork unless I were a computer scientist and the statement was published in a reputable magazine by something like the ACM or IEEE. Under the system I propose you would be forced to publish a public recantation in the local press as well as paying the legal fees for the trial at least. Provided of course it was worth the cost of the bond to me. After all it is my reputation. The only person who should make decisions about how important my reputation is to me is me, most definitely not you or any other third party. I suspect you would not allow me to decide your reputation either. > When you say "should", what do you mean? That the current law will > hold you to a minimum standard of evidence? > Or you mean that it would be nice if it were so? Neither, the currrent requirements of the law are irrelevant. My premise is that such current laws are broke, why would I want to promote them? Answer, I wouldn't. As to 'nice', what is nice isn't an issue. What is necessary is the recognition that for a democratic society to exist in a world where business is done based on reputations by parties who may never make more contact than a email and EFT making statements about such reputations which are not backed by verifiable evidence should be discouraged strongly. > > A democratic society should have no tolerence for libel, slander, or other > > forms of lies. > > Why? And who decides what is a lie? This is almost too silly to even respond to. A lie is a statement which could be true but isn't. In the context of the current discussion this would mean that a statement made by one party about another party which was told to a third party and was not verifiable with evidence. Why should anyone tolerate a liar? Responsible and reasonable people don't tolerate liars. Who decides? The same group who decides now, the jury. > > In civil cases the plaintiff should place a bond, set at some percentage of > > the maximum permissible award, at the time the case is filed. This would at > > least cover the general costs of the court and limit nuisance cases. > > > > You can either oppose "specieocracy" and inequality of rich and > poor in libel litigation, or ask to place bonds that will make even > harder for the poor to sue, BUT NOT BOTH, if you want to remain logical. This is another clever attempt at a smoke screen. Nice try but 'Brrrrrttt', you loose the bet. I would suggest you don't play poker, your bluffs are truly amateurish. If the plaintiff pays up front or at the end is irrelevant. If the plaintiff loses they pay the cost of the court. If they win then the defendant pays the court costs, reimbursment of the bond, and the penalites awarded by the jury/court. The only reason to require anything up front is to act as a verification that the plaintiff can pay the court costs (which they get back if they win and must pay anyway if they loose) up front. The reason being that it would be possible without this for people to skip out on the court costs if they loose, which would cause another more expensive cost, a criminal trial, that the people in general would have to carry. The end result would be that the taxes we would have to pay would be higher just like your credit card costs are more expensive than they need to be because of fraud by other card holders. I would never attempt to speak for you but I pay too much tax now taking care of deadbeats and similar sorts. Further more, the bond would not have to be extravagant. If it were a simple case of libel with no punitive damages involved it would be resolved by a small claims court and might require no more than $25 - $50 as a bond. The point of the bond is to make the plaintiff think twice, not hinder them if that is what they truly feel is their due. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steve Schear wrote: > > BULLSHIT. BULL FUCKING SHIT. The origin of property is labor. Claiming > >that _my_ property is the result of ME stealing, and hence what I OWN belongs > >to the community IS theft. I work, and as the result of that work something is > >created. That something is MINE to do with as I will. If I choose to sell that > >work for money, that money is mine. If I trade that money for shoes, those > >shoes are mine. THere is no theft involved. > Tell this to the Native Americans. Steve, Slam-dunk, dude! Toto

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Re: Complying with the EAR [was: More Circumventing the ITAR]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael Paul Johnson wrote: > If that is the only chink in the armor you see, then you aren't looking > very hard. The point of this system is Michael, Enjoyed your post. The motivations underlying U.S. crypto policy are indeed multi-faceted, and it is always good to have a variety of well-thought out opinions as to some of the various impetus' behind the machinations of the different governmental departments, etc., which encompass the wide range of those involved in setting and enforcing crypto policy. No matter what the original motivations or pre-conceived plans behind the initial impetus towards the regulation of crypto, once 'policy' enters the governmental maze it takes on a life of its own, subject to whims and vagarities of departments and individuals which reflect a confusing kalidescope of concerns which are both parallel and tangent to the starting vector. I would imagine that, 1,000 years from now, students might well be taught that Phil Zimmerman was responsible for World War III, with the CypherPunks bearing much of the blame, as well. Toto "Fighting for peace, and fucking for virginity."

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