December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Educating former anon.penet.fi users about other remailers
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've gotten about 5 messages from daemon(a)anon.penet.fi telling me that the remailer is closed; don't know if they're from various previous identities, or if they're from postings to mailing lists with anonymous people on them, or whatever. If somebody were to put together a one-page note on other remailers, would it make sense to send it to all the penet.fi users? A canonical cypherpunks approach would be to just write one and send it to na000001(a)anon.penet.fi ..... na600000(a)anon.penet.fi, but I assume either my system or Julf's would decide it was spam and discard it (even if it were split up into 60,000 10-message chunks.) The press release on www.penet.fi does contain pointers to the FAQs, but people have to go looking for that. On the other hand, if there are an extra 10,000 hits per day on alpha.c2.org because of a really well-written one-page blurb, can it handle the load? # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> Reassign Authority!

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Re: Encourage Singapore To Come Out Of the Stone Age
by James Seng 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:29 PM 9/1/96 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >bring it into disrespect deserves no respect at all. Any government >that claims to have the god-like wisdom to dictate what's best for >its subjects to hear or what religious ideas to believe doesn't >deserve to be listened to, much less obeyed. If Singapore's government >and religious leaders want to say "Our ideas are better than American >ideas", and you or I or your neighbor want to listen to them, fine; I think you have misunderstood my posting. I never say Singapore ideas are better than American ideas. What i am saying is that Asian (Singapore) values are _DIFFERENT_ from western (America) values. [i know i am generalising] When you look at the laws and regulation. You cannot just look at what you think is best. You have to look at other things. Culture, social and economical structure, religion and history. In every aspect, Singapore (or most Asian for that matter) are different. Thus, you cannot judge a Singapore government action based on your social background. My purpose of posting is to hope to bring some light to the people here about some social norm in Singapore, hopefully to explain why the government choose to block certain WWW and yet was not strongly opposited here. Secondly, you do not need to convience me. I agree with you totally. What you have to convience is the general population here, against the culture, the society and everything. >maybe some of their ideas are better than some of the many ideas >floating around North America. But if you or I or your neighbor >want to listen to competing ideas, and even to believe and talk about >competing ideas, neither you nor the government have the right to >stop them - only to refute them with better ideas. Nope. I am open to ideas which is why i been watching to this thread. I find it is rather constructive to see how people think about Singapore and then compare it with my own ideas. However, i also know it is useless to have continue discussion with fanatic as they have a tendancy to distored what you say to suit their argument. Nor are they particular open minded to listen to others like our dear Tim has clearly shown us. This is why i am responsing to your article and not his. >On the other hand, if a power-hungry government decides that it doesn't >like American TV, forbids business licenses to anyone who broadcasts it, >and jails anyone who broadcasts TV without a business license, >they're more corrupt than a government that forbids business licenses to >anyone who doesn't pay a bribe. (At least in a kleptocracy, >you can usually print or say what you want if you pay the bribes, >though my father-in-law's newspaper was once shut down for printing >that the mayor was taking bribes, and who they were from, and how much.) Sad to say, Singapore government does have a lot of power. But i am glad what you mention isnt happening in Singapore. I havent heard of any serious corruption cases or people accepting bribes etc. Nor does the people here feel a suppressed nor are there general disatifaction. I think you are too influenced with the persepection from 1984. *8) All things works both ways. Power is no otherwise. >This also means you don't know what is safe to print and what isn't. >You have to restrict yourself very strongly, because otherwise >some politically influential person will complain to the government, >and you go to jail. At least if the government tells you what >the rules are, you know it's safe to say things that don't violate them. You dont go to jail for writing articles. You might be sue for deframation if you published something untrue (similar to your civil lawsuit i guess?) and have to pay large sum of money to the person but you dont go to jail. And yes, they are telling the people what _are_ the things now so you know what to avoid. >It also means that if enough people want information badly enough, >the government may know not to censor it. On the other hand, >a government that can keep the leader of an opposition political party >in jail for years just because he opposes them is pretty corrupt. I am not interested in politics so i didnt really know what is happening in that case. for that, i have no comment. >The right to speak freely without government thugs shutting you down >and throwing you in jail or killing you is a universal one. >The ability to get anybody to listen to what you have to say, >on the other hand, is highly dependent both on general culture >and on the interests of the individuals you hope will listen, >as well as on what you have to say and your ability to say it well. Very true. So does the First Amendment said. Singapore does have such similar law as First Amendment which is slight "modified". You have freedom of speech as long as your comments does not endanger religious/racist harmony and national security. (I do not know the exact term..need a lawyer for that..). The reasons for this are for historical reasons which trace back. >Because I have a mouth and a conscience, and they have ears and consciences. >I certainly have more right to tell a politician in Country B not to >stop his subjects from speaking than he does to order them not to speak. >And if the politicians over here are wrong, which they often are, >you've got the right to tell them that too. Of course, the politicians >over here usually won't listen to you, and the politicians over there >either won't listen to me or they'll add my name to the firewall killfile :-) >But it's also safer for me to tell your politicians to behave well than >for you to tell them, since you have to live with them. Fair enough. Point taken and you are right. I was able to say that you are not the one who are going to vote for/against them in the next election. *8) >It's not off-topic. Building tools to prevent censorship is >distinctly on-topic for cypherpunks, and an occasional digression into >whether it's a good idea is worthwhile. Perhaps but not to the other thousand of other cypherpunk subscribers. With this, i hope i have explained any misunderstanding with the previous posting. If you wish to carried on with this discussion, please feel feel to email me directly. -James Seng

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More child pornography nonsense
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> webslingerZ > _________________________________________________________________ > POLICE SEARCH INTERNET FOR CHILD SEX ABUSERS > __________________________________________________________________________ > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net > Copyright &copy 1996 Reuter Information Service > STOCKHOLM, Sweden (Aug 31, 1996 00:11 a.m. EDT) - Police across Europe > widened their net Friday to track down a pedophile network which is > spreading increasingly to the hard-to-detect Internet, while at an > international conference, Southeast Asia was cast as a major > destination for child sex tourists. > At the World Congress Against Commercial Sexual Exploitation of > Children, which has attracted over 1,000 delegates to Stockholm from > 130 countries, campaigners outlined measures to crack down on > pedophiles' use of the Internet. > Norway's ombudsman for children, Trond Waage, said to date there was > very little action that could be taken to stop the distribution of > child pornography on the Internet. > But he said the establishment last week of an international body to > monitor child pornography on the net, a task taken on by the Norwegian > branch of Save the Children, was firm action against pedophiles using > the net. > "This is a kind of a cybercop," Waage told reporters. > "We need some visible cops on the net. If you undertake these kinds of > criminal activities someone will monitor you." > Save the Children will try to monitor any child pornography on the > Internet and is encouraging other net surfers to pass on information > that will be handed to the police. Want to bet how fast they'll be mail-bombed? Cops on the net are _not_ popular, no matter what they're doing. This fact is especially true when there's no actual harm taking place (unlike, say, spamming) - the harm has _already_ taken place by the time the material is on the Internet. Should we ban films with violence because they _might_ be snuff films? -Allen

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Re: wardialer
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Does any body know where I can get a half decent war dialer. > In> Use a websearch utility, and stop posting to cryptography-based In> mailing lists. Someone should shoot that kid and put US out of OUR misery... :) P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... Nothing is opened more often by mistake than YOUR mouth. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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Re: DON'T Nuke Singapore Back into the Stone Age
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:06 AM 9/2/96 +0800, James Seng wrote: >that). I have a long argument with this person, telling him that despite >what they have done, i could still access to those stuff which they ban. >his reasoning is "how many people can do it? 10%? 5%? That's fine with us. >If the people really wans it, they can get it". The flaw with this view is that it is no harder to deploy software that defeats Singapore's proxy than it is to establish a tcp/ip connection in the first place. For civilians (such as myself) establishing a tcp/ip connection is as hard or as easy as establishing an encrypted tcp/ip tunnel to defeat government control efforts. For both these tasks, I am dependent on software writers who know more than I do. Since the software of the Net is written by people not governments, the governments will find it hard to hold "free users" down to a 5% or 10% figure. The Net is nothing more than the software that it runs on and we (not governments) write the software. In addition, we are not imposing our ideology on Singapore. If Singapore changes, it will be because an encounter with the realities of the free flow of information changes it. DCF

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"Always make new mistakes"
by liberty＠gate.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Esther Dyson sigfiled: ... > Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes! OK, but must we always be trying to make the same *old* ones, only in a new medium? <sigh> At least there's still EPIC (for now, I'm wondering when _they_ decide to cave?). I'm feeling pessimistic. JMR Regards, Jim Ray -- DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy & Weekend Winsock Wemailer Opewator. "Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech." -- Benjamin Franklin Defeat the Duopoly! Stop the Browne-out! Harry Browne for President. Jo Jorgensen for Vice-president. http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/ http://www.twr.com/stbo ___________________________________________________________________ PGP id.E9BD6D35 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 <mailto:liberty@gate.net> http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray ___________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMirUhG1lp8bpvW01AQHR3QQAl9EvaUOCHnTZ0eyIa+kv41fXDJMsOC0v BUGKvnz3rfVxRTS3JiHALB93Kc1F+kSjoOd7ftM42Pod4bsreSAHJ0CInJ2Q8iYS r7Y2/opiY139YonF4WsD6IPTMA2Hfip9t8EACu0v2jIvxSCBqwa84WVrAxCijS9t qfKK8d3Xw9g= =6tBV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The AI-who???
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An admittedly leftist interpretation of recent Alaskan electorial events, for those fans of the Alaskan Independance Party... Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text From: sxaeg(a)aurora.alaska.edu (GREENWALT ART E) (by way of rah(a)shipwright.com (Robert A. Hettinga)) To: rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: The AI-who??? Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Path: news-central.tiac.net!news-in.tiac.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!news.alaska.edu!aurora.alaska.edu!sxaeg Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska Date: 29 Aug 1996 01:07:38 GMT Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: aurora.alaska.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.1.2 Okay, okay...I know everyone has been sitting on the edge of their privy seats wondering how the Rent-A-Party (aka "The Sub-Arctic Titanic of Politics") fared in the recent primaries here in the Interior, so here goes. Now, keep something in mind as you read these results: the Interior is the heart of the Rent-A-Party. Der Fuhrer Vogel "graced" us with his presence and as the infirmities of advancing age took their toll, he devised the party back in the mid-70's here in the Interior. So...you should think the bastion, the stronghold, Yea, Brethren and Sistren!, the very for-r-r-r-rtress of AIP-ity would be...the INTERIOR! Amen! The AIP fielded 1 candidate here on the Fairbanks ballots: Paul Chizmar. He finished last. Indeed, surpassing even the last performance of the party when they dropped from their 1990 high of 39% of the vote to their 1994 basement 13% of the vote, we now see them seeking subterranean levels as their sole candidate on the entire ballot received *barely* 11% of the vote! Right here! In the Interior! Just about 15 miles from Lynette and Dexter Clarke, the penultimate-Grand Poobahs of Das Partie! Tsk.... I tell ya, folks...I love to watch "Rocky and Bullwinkle", "Monty Python", "The 3 Stooges", the "Little Rascals", etc. But when the AIP finally dwindles/splinters/transmogrifies into its final bit of light and then that little glimmer goes out....I will have lost one of my greatest sources of amusement Alaska has ever offered me. Sigh.... .....Art, who will just have to watch more 3 Stooges and see if he can tell which one is Joe... --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender." -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard, for Bart Simpson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)miron.vip.best.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"c2"} = "<remail(a)c2.org> eric pgp hash reord"; $remailer{"penet"} = "<anon(a)anon.penet.fi> penet post"; $remailer{"flame"} = "<remailer(a)flame.alias.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut post reord"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"ecafe"} = "<cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org> cpunk mix"; $remailer{"amnesia"} = "<amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ksub"; $remailer{'alpha'} = '<alias(a)alpha.c2.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'nymrod'} = '<nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"lead"} = "<mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"nemesis"} = "<remailer(a)meaning.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"exon"} = "<remailer(a)remailer.nl.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"vegas"} = "<remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"haystack"} = "<haystack(a)holy.cow.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"ncognito"} = "<ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> mix cpunk pgp hash latent"; $remailer{"lucifer"} = "<lucifer(a)dhp.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)c2.org> cpunk pgp hash cut ksub reord"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"balls"} = "<remailer(a)huge.cajones.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"middle"} = "<middleman(a)jpunix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord"; $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix) The alpha and nymrod nymservers are down due to abuse. However, you can use the cyber nymserver. The nym.alias.net server will be listed soon. See http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/n.a.n.html for details. 403 Permission denied errors have been caused by a flaky disk on the Berkeley WWW server. Hopefully, this is fixed by now. The penet remailer is closed. Last update: Mon 2 Sep 96 6:45:14 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com -+++++-+++++ 1:38:18 99.98% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca .*****-+**+* 28:42 99.98% exon remailer(a)remailer.nl.com ***--**+**** 3:33 99.98% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de +-+------.+ 2:37:06 99.96% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net +-+*+** 38:49 99.96% middle middleman(a)jpunix.com ---- --+++ 55:25 99.69% replay remailer(a)replay.com +* *-**+*** 6:15 99.36% amnesia amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com - -----+--- 3:24:36 99.35% lead mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu +++--+-+++++ 48:39 99.23% winsock winsock(a)c2.org - -----+-- 5:46:31 98.94% balls remailer(a)huge.cajones.com # **-**+**** 5:32 98.70% nemesis remailer(a)meaning.com ****- ++**** 23:48 98.46% extropia remail(a)miron.vip.best.com -..------ 4:55:14 94.02% haystack haystack(a)holy.cow.net *#* ##+### 10:59 90.11% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Re: PLEASE Nuke Singapore Back into the Stone Age
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:51 PM 9/1/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >Who says this has anything to do with "American ideology"? The Usenet is >propagated around the world. All we are saying is that honest commentary on >the corruption of Lee Kwan Yew (and his billion dollars in Australian and >European banks) will be reported on the Usenet. > >This is not "imposing American ideology" on anyone. Didn't you know that TCP/IP was an attempt by American Intelligence Agencies in concert with Britain to impose Anglo-American values (free trade in goods and bits) on the poor Mittel Europeans and the followers of Confucius in the East. These sinister British-American conspirators had done so well with their earlier releases of blue jeans, Rock and Roll, and Coca Cola. TCP/IP was designed to be the final blow to Central Europe and Asia in a culture ware that has dominated this century. Pretty sneaky those Anglo Saxons. DCF "Course if Mittel Europeans and Confucians hadn't murdered 100 million people or so in the 20th century, perhaps we could feel sorry for them." (The US-UK alliance only murdered a few million mostly via mass bombing of civilians during WWII.)

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Re: Los Angeles Times article on Helsingius and anon.penet.fi
by edyson＠edventure.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At least you don't accuse me of being a Communist. For the record, I am not a tool of the CIA nor have they pressured me, but there's no reason for you to believe me. Esther Dyson At 08:23 PM 9/2/96 +1000, Julian Assange wrote: SNIP --- > >Examining in detail Dyson's interests it appears she maintains a >sizeable and long-standing interest in Eastern European technology >companies. She is also clearly very far to the right of the political >spectrum (rampant capitalist would be putting it mildly). She also speaks >Russian. I'm not saying she has been working for the CIA for the past >decade, but I would be very surprised if the CIA has not exerted quite >significant pressure (which they are easily able to do given the >location of many of Dyson's assets) in order to bring her into their >folds during that time period. > >-- >"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims > may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons > than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may > sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who > torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with > the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_ >+---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+ >|Julian Assange RSO | PO Box 2031 BARKER | Secret Analytic Guy Union | >|proff(a)suburbia.net | VIC 3122 AUSTRALIA | finger for PGP key hash ID = | >|proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu | FAX +61-3-98199066 | 0619737CCC143F6DEA73E27378933690 | >+---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+ > Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes! EDventure Holdings <edyson(a)edventure.com> 1 (212) 924-8800 1 (212) 924-0240 fax 104 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10011 USA www.edventure.com High-Tech Forum in Lisbon, October 27-29, 1996 PC Forum in Tucson, Arizona, March 23-26, 1997

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