December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [REBUTTAL] Censorship on cypherpunks?, from The Netly News
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Dave Hayes wrote: > > Igor "Gadzooks" Chudov writes: > > > Dave Hayes wrote: > > > > You won't do this, because I won't let you on the list. I, unlike you > > > > or Mr. Gilmore, have the judgement on whom to invite to my list. > > > So what's the difference between yours and gilmore's position? > > Simple. I choose whom to invite to my parties. Gilmore provides an > > open door. > Providing an open door does not mean that it is always open to everyone, > Dave. It only means that it is open to all by default, but that policy > can be reversed for certain individuals. That is not to say that I agree > with Gilmore's the decision to kick Vulis out from cypherpunks, but John's > decision was neither dishonorable nor he was acting outside his powers, > in my opinion. Technically, John Gilmore did nothing, since Vulis continues to read and post. Symbolically, he punched holes in his ideology. That's my opinion. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet You need not wonder whether you should have a reliable person as a friend. An unreliable person is nobody's friend.

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Re: "Freedom Knights" are closet censors
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Dave Hayes wrote: > > Sorry, that *is* the point. If you tell me you are going to disrupt > > the list, I am not going to let you on the list...even though you > > are easily ignored. > And if Vulis shows Gilmore, though his actions, that he is going to > disrupt cypherpunks, Vulis can be prevented from being on the list...even > though he is easily ignored. Ah, but that's after the fact of the invite. > That's why neither of your actions is, in truth, "censorship." Now you are starting to make some sense. So why did you write an editor..er...article that focused on his "censorship"? ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet Nasrudin loaded his donkey with wood for the fire and instead of sitting in its saddle, sat astride one of the logs. "Why don't you sit in the saddle?" someone asked. "What? And add my weight to what the poor animal has to carry? My weight is on the _wood_ and it is going to stay there."

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Re: Secrecy: My life as a nym. (Was: nym blown?)
by Kyle Rogers 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In this post you talk about SSN web pages? I was wondering if someone could post a URL to one? thanks MaINLinE ---------- > From: Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> > To: Timothy C. May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: Secrecy: My life as a nym. (Was: nym blown?) > Date: Wednesday, November 13, 1996 2:51 PM > > On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Timothy C. May wrote: > > > At 8:26 AM -0800 11/11/96, Hal Finney wrote: > > > > >I have two kids entering their teens, and I'm sure other list members are > > >parents as well. What can we do for our children to help them enter their > > >adult lives with better chances to retain privacy? Unicorn mentions keeping > > >them absent from school on picture day, although I'm not sure how much this > > >helps. I suppose it makes it harder for an investigator to find out what > > >they look(ed) like. Then when they get old enough to drive you have a new > > >problem avoiding the photo (and thumbprint) on the license. > > > > > >Are there other measures which parents could take while their children are > > >young to get them off to a good start, privacy-wise? > > > > I think there are two important domains of privacy to distinguish: > > > > 1. The mundane. > > > > 2, The political. > > > > The mundane domain is what most people think of initially, Things like "How > > do I keep my name out of the system?" Or the point about kids. > > > > The fact is, hundreds of millions of names are obviously--and almost > > unavoidably--in the mundane public sector. I say "almost unavoidably" > > because driver's licenses and social security numbers are ubiquitous. > > > > (Side note: Jim McCoy's suggestion that kids can be kept off the > > parental-unit's tax returns and thus not get a SS number is fraught with > > problems. Many schools--including public schools--use the SS number for > > various internal and tracking reasons. Even if the kid is free of SS > > numbers until he's a teenager--at a cost of thousands of dollars a year in > > IRS deductions not taken--he'll essentially have to have an SS number in > > his high school years, for a variety of reasons. Maybe this can be avoided, > > but I doubt the reward is worth the hassles.) > > Personally, I suggest that the dependent be identified with an erronious > SSN number. If the dependent exists it is hard to make a fraud case and > the deductions are usually allowed anyhow. > > I'm not sure what "a variety of reasons" in the highschool years is. As > for hastles, I can't think of what they might be, other than going to the > SSN web page to construct a properly formatted number which the SSA will > report as "Issued" (as opposed to "Unissued"). This is one of the few > pieces of information that is given out. > > Again, DMVs cannot check to see that the number matches the name, only if > it was issued and if the first three digits correspond to location where > the number was supposedly "issued" from. (If not one can always claim to > have lived in the state that DID issue that number). > > > The second category is that of the political domain. If a person can > > separate himself from the comments he makes, as Alois^H^H^H^H^H Black > > Unicorn has done, then it hardly matters--in an important sense--that his > > True Name has a SS number on file somewhere. > > I disagree. > The lack of a social security number makes the first part easier. They > are most certainly connected in the research into the few clues that will > have to slip out, will not lead back to any fact which can be later used > to narrow down the field. (The first three numbers of a SSN for example). > > > This is an important distinction in discussing privacy, I think. If I had a > > rug rat, I doubt I'd go to great lengths to avoid getting him or her an SS > > number. If the Feds offered me a yearly savings of $1000 or more on my > > taxes, I'd take it. > > Pity, but still, you can avoid it without sacrificing the dependent > deduction. > > > (Given that it's almost an inevitability that the kid would have to "enter > > the system" at about the age where it really begins to matter, e.g, the age > > at which he or she begins to have political beliefs.) > > I don't understand why this is so. Perhaps I missed a link in the chain > here? > > -- > Forward complaints to : European Association of Envelope Manufactures > Finger for Public Key Gutenbergstrasse 21;Postfach;CH-3001;Bern > Vote Monarchist Switzerland >

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RE: Remailer Abuse Solutions
by Mullen Patrick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Peter Hendrickson on Thu, Nov 14, 1996 13:22 >This assumes that spam has gotten so bad that everybody filters their >mail and only accepts mail on the "accept" list. People sending mail >directly to your account would get a message back saying that they had >to get on the "free" list or send their mail through one of the approved >remailers. So our ideas on implementation are similar, except you have made the distinction that anyone on the "free" list can have direct access. Unfortunately, your idea pivots on the idea spam has exploded to unbearable proportions. My complaint on this isn't your idea, it's the projection such an event may occur. While I hope this plan won't ever be necessary, at least not on such a global scale, the application of such techniques toward a mailing list sounds decent. I'm still thinking about how I would go about charging WRT mailing lists; anonymous postings are puzzling me at the moment. Which brings up another topic: How would an anonymous remailer operate? It's hard to eliminate an audit trail when there is some monetary tie back to you, whether it be credit card, ecash (assuming they never quite figure out anonymizing it), ... PM

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Re: Remailer Abuse Solutions
by John Willis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> X-Sender: ph(a)netcom15.netcom.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:07:41 -0800 > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > From: ph(a)netcom.com (Peter Hendrickson) > Subject: Remailer Abuse Solutions > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Precedence: bulk > > What do you do if you are operating a remailer and somebody complains > they are getting spammed? That's easy, you keep a list of people that > you don't send mail to. What's hard is if that person wants to receive > other anonymous mail. ... > This also eliminates the spam problem generally. If you are plagued > by spam, create a list of names you will accept mail from. When a > message comes in that is not on the list, return a message directing > them to send you the mail through a paying remailer. > ... > The solution: don't accept anonymous mail. Only people on the "approved" > list would be allowed to post. People who wish to post anonymously > could then send mail through the paying remailer to people on the > "approved" list and request that their message be relayed. Most people > on the list would be happy to accept a dollar or two to provide this > service. This would eliminate inappropriate mail while allowing anybody > to post. > I don't know if this has been covered before... Why not incorporate an approved senders list function in mail readers? (Or at least accomodate a plug-in?) Have the mail reader keep a history of all addresses ever mailed to. These will automatically be approved, unless you later delete them from the list. If you are on a listserv of whatever nature and you want to receive mail from list readers off the list, have the mail reader update the approved list by querying (when?) the addresses of those on the list. If you post to a usenet group, and you want off-group mail from the group's readers, have the mail reader grab a list of addresses of people who have posted on that newsgroup. Continue to use a kill file to kill the spammers from listserv and usenet address sources. These are just general suggestions which could hooked up as options by mailing list, newsgroup, etc. What do you think?

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Re: Q.E.D |= Montgolfiering + Inbongis + Fermented Pear Juice
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com, perry(a)piermont.com, cmcurtin(a)research.megasoft.com Date: Fri Nov 15 03:15:03 1996 - From http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/snake-oil-faq.html ... Snake-Oil Warning Signs ... Technobabble If the vendor's description appears to be confusing nonsense, it may very well be so, even to an expert in the field. One sign of technobabble is a description which uses newly invented terms or trademarked terms without actually explaining how the system works. Technobabble is a good way to confuse a potential user and to mask the vendor's own lack of expertise. And consider this: if the marketing material isn't clear, why expect the instruction manual to be any better? Even the best product can be useless if it isn't applied properly. If you can't understand what a vendor is saying, you're probably better off finding something that makes more sense. ... Dear Matt, Maybe something about needing a thesaurus to translate their marketing stuff needs to be added to this. ;) JMR Please note new 2000bit PGPkey & new address <jmr(a)shopmiami.com> This key will be valid through election day 2000. PGP id.A7D63DA9 98 1F 39 BA 93 86 B4 F5 57 52 64 0E DA BA 2C 71 Please avoid using old 1024bit PGPkey E9BD6D35 anymore. Thanks. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEPAwUBMowmjDUhsGSn1j2pAQE8+AfNFzbsFx76mrkA8h2KruRspX3T23s6xla2 Vi7dbHBsFlRe5H6rpZ/deUYY4w9TYZ3ItV5uD6Gk6NQwh72Qv2x9CBnBaf0Sp6gO Zjym5LxM0tyvAcbmLCkAIGf96LSuCbg5/MnRKwlvxyXKyQVzXtQ979i8WlUqRS8j Qst/fZPeO8pTWGo7E37Ag44c69csPAwlSZbBgKsEONdt9Z5aIKfphjDmLWoVCTa+ pYhP3F1EZvGP9EaG4oVXYv0W+ZzsFDqO8uc+wCuTPl4/1Vdp+XK2W8M7yy5twGey 08tqJ5XMTUGWzsW2/90mLsmEHh6J0o0KkNVjKBexED/MKw== =SzY/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Black Unicorn exposed?
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ahem. He used that nym in a post to cypherpunks just a few months ago...

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New Website: Bruce Schneier, Applied Cryptography, Blowfish,Counterpane
by Bruce Schneier 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I finally have a Website: http://www.counterpane.com On the site I have information on Applied Cryptography, Blowfish, Counterpane Systems consulting, and more. The site has the latest errata, information on ordering the book and source code disks, and the final copy of "Why Cryptography is Harder Than it Looks." If you have a website that mentions Bruce Schneier, Applied Cryptography, Blowfish, or Counterpane Systems, please point to my website. If you sell or give away a product that uses Blowfish, please let me know so that I can point to it. If you are running an ftp server that has the Blowfish code available, please tell me so that I can send people to you. Thanks, Bruce ************************************************************************** * Bruce Schneier For information on APPLIED CRYPTOGRAPHY * Counterpane Systems 2nd EDITION (15% discount and errata), * schneier(a)counterpane.com Counterpane Systems's consulting services, * http://www.counterpane.com/ or the Blowfish algorithm, see my website. **************************************************************************

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by newtonm＠papa.uncp.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have a breif question for all you folks out there.... Does anyone know the email address and procedure for sending your mail via "cypherpunks" so that it changes your e-mail address so that the person recieving your e-mail message sees on the mesage that its only from an anonymous source?

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Re: take me off your mailing list
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:15 PM 11/13/96 -0500, CLERK PHILLIP G ROBERTS wrote: >unsubcribe cypherpunks > I sent this individual the appropiate address copied from the new subscriber mailings distributed by the Majordomo bot on sign up. I also noted the spelling error for him that has often been mentioned in this list, assuming that that might have been his trouble in the first place. Any wagers on how many posts it will take before he gets it right? Any motions to petition for an alias for the command minus the s?

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