December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

ISC Meeting Agenda
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 08:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael S Baum <baum(a)world.std.com> To: www-buyinfo(a)allegra.att.com Subject: ISC Meeting Agenda Mime-Version: 1.0 ========================================================== MEETING NOTICE ========================================================== Please correspond with: Michael S. Baum, Esq. 33 Tremont Street Cambridge, MA 02139-1227 USA V: +1 617.661.1234 F: +1 617.661.0716 E: michael(a)verisign.com Subject: INFORMATION SECURITY COMMITTEE MEETING NOTICE Dear Committee Member: You are cordially invited to participate in a meeting of the Information Security Committee, Section of Science & Technology, American Bar Association, on Friday/Saturday, October 18-19, 1996, in Boston. The Committee will advance its development of commercial key escrow guidelines as well as consider digital signature legislative initiatives in the several States and other jurisdictions, and continue its consideration of digital signature evidence and liability. Consistent with Section policy, ISC meeting participants MUST be members of both the ABA and the ABA Section of Science and Technology. Please contact Ann Kowalsky, Manager Section of Science & Technology, at ABA offices in Chicago by phone: +1 312.988.5599, fax: +1 312.988.5628, or email: sciencetech(a)attmail.com for membership information. It is possible to become a paid member of the ABA and the ISC at the meeting. Dan Greenwood, ISC member, has kindly agreed to host the meeting at the Information Technology Division of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Dan can be reached at 617.973.0071 or DGreenwood(a)state.ma.us for directions & logistical information. Meeting details appear below. I look forward to seeing you in Boston. Sincerely, Michael S. Baum Chair, Information Security Committee Section of Science & Technology, ABA --------------- INFORMATION SECURITY COMMITTEE October 18-19, 1996 Tentative Agenda (see "Meeting Details," next page) (In extended sessions, breaks will be taken as needed.) October 18, 1996 Friday 8:30-9:00 Greetings, breakfast, administrative matters. 9:00-9:30 Introductions, meeting logistics, Guidelines update, questions; PKI-relevant standards reports. 9:30-12:00 Legislative/Regulatory Update (including open conference call with digital signature leg./reg. drafting committee representatives in the US and abroad). 12:00-13:00 Joint lunch with Boston Bar Assn, Computer Law Committee. 13:00-18:00 Continuation of legislative/regulatory update with digital signature leg./reg. drafting committee representatives. 18:00-???? Watering hole discussions; possible continuation of work group meetings. October 19, 1996 Saturday 8:30-9:00 Breakfast, et cetera. 9:00-10:00 Presentation by Key Escrow work group. 10:00-12:00 Breakout sessions on work groups. 12:00-13:00 Working lunch and guest presentation on "Assuring Quality and the Accreditation of Certification Authorities" by invited representative of the Nat'l Inst. of Standards and Tech. 13:00-15:00 Presentations by Work Groups. 15:00-15:30 Path Forward; wrap-up. ISC MEETING DETAILS October 18-19, 1996 Members are urged to participate in one of the work groups that will be presenting/meeting during the ISC's meeting. "Addendum" Work Group Contact: Ruven Schwartz (rschwart(a)research.westlaw.com) Tom Smedinghoff (tsmed(a)mbc.com) Joe Wackerman (jwackerm(a)email.usps.gov) The Addendum Work Group will continue drafting a digital signature trading partner agreement -- integrating the principles of the Digital Signature Guidelines, and developing additional practical commentary for this model form of electronic commerce agreement. Evidentiary Work Group Contact: Stan Kurzban (qbjw99a(a)prodigy.com) or Serge Parisien (parisise(a)droit.umontreal.ca) The Evidentiary Work Group will complete and present a provisional outline for a tutorial on the evidentiary implications of digitally signed information and advance drafting of material for each section of the tutorial. Key Escrow Work Group (KEWG) Contact: Dwight Olson (73522.3542(a)compuserve.com) or Randy Sabett (rsabett(a)venable.com) The KEWG will focus on the legal and technical aspects of commercial key escrow. The group will seek to accurately explore all major issues surrounding this topic, and produce a set of draft guidelines for comment. The proposed guidelines are intended to facilitate secure electronic commerce by clarifying the rights and obligations of the parties involved in voluntary commercial key escrow. The work product may take one or more forms including: (i) a "restatement" of the relevant law and practice, (ii) a model state or federal law or international convention, (iii) a set of principles that can be incorporated by reference into agreements or used for the interpretation of legal aspects of voluntary key escrow, or (iv) a set of "gap filler" provisions. Liability Work Group Contact: Maureen Adamache (rmadama(a)magi.com) The liability work group will meet as necessary to discuss the apportionment of liabilities among PKI providers and users. Previously, this task was considered in the ISC's own work-product, the Digital Signature Guidelines. Future documents that will be considered include Certification Practice Statements, and digital signature legislative and regulatory work product. State Government Digital Signatures Laws & Regulations Contact: Dan Greenwood (DGreenwood(a)state.ma.us) The digital signature legislative and regulatory working group will compile, evaluate and compare the various emerging approaches by states and other jurisdictions. Work product will include a web-based comprehensive "one-stop shop" for jurisdictions wishing to review current approaches. First-time participants (who plan to attend the October 18-19, 1996 meeting) must request attendance and submit a brief work-product (typically 3-5 pages) relevant to the subject matter. Please contact Ruven Schwartz (v: 612.687.8095, f: 612.687.7907, or e: rschwart(a)research.westlaw.com) for details. Meeting Location: McCormack Building (Across Bowdoin Street from the State House) 1 Ashburton Place Room 1, 21st Floor Boston, Massachusetts USA (Contact: Dan Greenwood +1 617.973.0071) Meals: The cafeteria will be available for lunch on Friday for those ISC Members who choose to work through the joint lunch session. On Saturday we will probably order in pizza. Lodging: A very nearby hotel is the Holiday Inn, Government Center, 5 Blossom Street, Boston. The regular rate during our meeting dates is $219.95/night. However, the Reservation Supervisor (Kim) has offered a rate of $199.95 to Committee members who request the "Great Rate" plan. Call reservations at +1 617.742.7630. For a better (but more expensive) hotel near Government Center, try the Parker House at +1 617.227.8600. The Omni Parker House (nicer than Holiday Inn) quoted a rate of $169/night for a single with a king or queen bed and $119/night for a single with a double bed. The rooms are very small - but the hotel is nice. See also a Greater Boston Bed & Breakfast directory: http://www.inovatec.com/bb/resservc/GREATER/GREATER.htm. RSVP: Please confirm your intention to participate to Ann Kowalsky, Section Manager, Section of Science and Technology (sciencetech(a)attmail.com) as soon as possible. See you in Boston! =========================================================================== --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender." -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard, for Bart Simpson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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Re: unwanted mail..what can I do?
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-09-14 01:18:49 EDT, dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) writes: << AwakenToMe(a)aol.com writes: > I recieved mail from netfree.com.. > I tried mailing it back (it def. had a forged address, but I got the netfree > from the mail header.....) > So anyway..... I tried sending to root@netfree....my mail was rejected (not > unknown ...it was rejected by the system) said it wasnt authorized... so I > tried support@netfree...same thing. > It ISSSSS rather annoying...any sugestions? Yes, a bunch of them: 1. Get a life. Learn to delete unwanted e-mail. Get a real shell account. 2. Ask AOL to let its users decide what e-mail to reject automatically (like procmail). They've been promising this capability by the end of September. Then you can set up your account to get no more e-mail from netfree. >> Typical asshole response. I must thank chuck@nova..etc. for his TRULY helpful response. But you........get a real shell account?? I do thank you. netcom and a school system. I can delete unwanted mail. But maybe I LIKE to yell at people who spam me. And ive never received mail from netfree before..nor since... thats NOT my problem. Learn to comprehend what pthers write. I wanted to know what I can do about getting in coontact with them. It is in my opinion not right to forge email addresses...people dont do it when the send me us postal mail

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MTH_ead
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

9-14-96. WaPo: "Empty-Head Network Fails to Link TWA Crash to Terrorism." The frantic overseas intelligence-gathering effort, which has included eavesdropping, use of informants and offers of large cash payments for leads, has been undertaken by the CIA, the NSA and the DEA, as well as a number of foreign investigative agencies. The NRO has analyzed voluminous archives of intelligence drawn from spy satellites, intercepted phone calls and electronic eavesdrops gathered before the crash. Since right after the TWA crash, the NSA started monitoring phone conversations of people believed to have ties to terrorists groups, as well as trying to track the movements of suspected terrorists. The CIA, working through its sources, has been offering money for leads on any kind of terrorist role. The DEA has been using overseas agents to gather intelligence; the FBI liaisons stationed in 23 countries are working to gather intelligence on the crash; and Scotland Yard and the Mossad are also empty-handed (not Red-handed -- yet). ----- http://jya.com/mthead.txt (10 kb) MTH_ead

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Re: Nonsense, absolute nonsense... [Fwd: HipCrime and Art]
by Admin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:53 PM 9/13/96 -0700, you wrote: >>>At 21:50 9/11/96, Ross Wright <rwright(a)adnetsol.com> wrote to >>>cypherpunks(a)toad.com and remailer-operators(a)c2.org: >>>>As I said having a website invites comments. It's like being a >>>>public figure. In effect you are publishing your e-mail address. >>> >>> >>>Interesting perspective. However, placing an email address on a web page >>>is by no means an offer to take "comments" (i.e., marketing spams) on >>>anything that strikes the spammer's fancy. >> >>How would you know what the *intent* of these other people is in placing >>mailme: tags on their public pages unless you have been to the specific >>pages. You speak only for yourself, yet you try to imply that you speak for >>everyone on the www who has placed a mailto: tag on their pages. >> > >I think this is exactly the point. On a given page I might have several >mailto tags. One for comments on some subject, one for feedback, and one >for the webmaster. I expect the person mailing me to take the time to use >the correct mailbox. I created a page urging political activism, and >included a mailto for all the relevant Senators and Representatives. I >hardly think they are interested in this kind of spam. Of course, that would be for THEM to decide what they find interesting or not. Every response to this thread always seems to impart some speculation as to what other people might or might not find interesting. What one finds of interest another may not so why don't we leave it up to the recipients themselves instead of some self appointed censors. I'll decide whats interesting to me, you decide what is interesting to you, and the senators can decide whats interesting to them. I'm sure that some senators/reps on the various endowment for the arts committees, and or the technology oversight committees would have found HipCrime's sight to be of some interest. Of course if it was a blurb of some new mixmaster/remailer development, you would have found it of interest, so lets stop trying to guess what other people want and speak for ourselves. > >Trawling the web for every address you can find, then mailing them all >seems very inappropriate. To you it may not seem appropriate, as its a subjective judgement, I'm sure that some brown-shirted jack-booted gov't officials beleive that using a remailer for any reason is inappropriate....thats what's great about this world, we all have our own subjective beliefs. admin > > -Lance > >---------------------------------------------------------- >Lance Cottrell loki(a)obscura.com >PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. >Mixmaster, the next generation remailer, is now available! >http://www.obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html or FTP to obscura.com > >"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly >it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice >weasels come." > --Nietzsche >---------------------------------------------------------- > > > <>________________Lowest_Priced_Long_Distance__________________<> ||Long Distance 9.9¢/min |Helping hardworking people || ||9.9¢ Anytime, Anywhere in US! |like yourself pay the || ||Free sign-up, 6 second billing |lowest possible price for || ||http://www.superhot.com/phone |high quality LD service. || <>-----------------------1_303_692_5190------------------------<>

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radikal mirrors as of 14-9-1996
by tank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Exactly the point Lance... [Fwd: HipCrime and Art]
by Admin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:30 AM 9/14/96 -0700, you wrote: >>At 09:53 PM 9/13/96 -0700, you wrote: >>>>>At 21:50 9/11/96, Ross Wright <rwright(a)adnetsol.com> wrote to >>>>>cypherpunks(a)toad.com and remailer-operators(a)c2.org: >>>>>>As I said having a website invites comments. It's like being a >>>>>>public figure. In effect you are publishing your e-mail address. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Interesting perspective. However, placing an email address on a web page >>>>>is by no means an offer to take "comments" (i.e., marketing spams) on >>>>>anything that strikes the spammer's fancy. >>>> >>>>How would you know what the *intent* of these other people is in placing >>>>mailme: tags on their public pages unless you have been to the specific >>>>pages. You speak only for yourself, yet you try to imply that you speak for >>>>everyone on the www who has placed a mailto: tag on their pages. >>>> >>> >>>I think this is exactly the point. On a given page I might have several >>>mailto tags. One for comments on some subject, one for feedback, and one >>>for the webmaster. I expect the person mailing me to take the time to use >>>the correct mailbox. I created a page urging political activism, and >>>included a mailto for all the relevant Senators and Representatives. I >>>hardly think they are interested in this kind of spam. >> >>Of course, that would be for THEM to decide what they find interesting or >>not. Every response to this thread always seems to impart some speculation >>as to what other people might or might not find interesting. What one finds >>of interest another may not so why don't we leave it up to the recipients >>themselves instead of some self appointed censors. I'll decide whats >>interesting to me, you decide what is interesting to you, and the senators >>can decide whats interesting to them. >> >>I'm sure that some senators/reps on the various endowment for the arts >>committees, and or the technology oversight committees would have found >>HipCrime's sight to be of some interest. Of course if it was a blurb of some >>new mixmaster/remailer development, you would have found it of interest, so >>lets stop trying to guess what other people want and speak for ourselves. >> >>> >>>Trawling the web for every address you can find, then mailing them all >>>seems very inappropriate. >> >>To you it may not seem appropriate, as its a subjective judgement, I'm sure >>that some brown-shirted jack-booted gov't officials beleive that using a >>remailer for any reason is inappropriate....thats what's great about this >>world, we all have our own subjective beliefs. >> >>admin > >Allow me to make this more concrete. I don't want see any of this fucking >shit in my mailbox just because I have a mailto link on my Mixmaster page. >Is that sufficiently clear? Exactly the point, bingo! The point is this, exactly what do YOU define as *fucking shit* so that anyone who visits your page will know exactly what they can and can't say to Lance Cottrell. We've determined that you don't want to receive the HipCrime URL from your mailto: button. What about the next visitor who comes across your page, how will they know exactly what you do or do not find interesting? Will you put a lengthy *what I expect from all correspondents who use my mailto: button* explanation on the page? Perhaps a simple, *don't mail me unless I already know you and want to hear what you have to say...* tag? admin > -Lance > >---------------------------------------------------------- >Lance Cottrell loki(a)obscura.com >PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. >Mixmaster, the next generation remailer, is now available! >http://www.obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html or FTP to obscura.com > >"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly >it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice >weasels come." > --Nietzsche >---------------------------------------------------------- > > >

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The HipCrime [NOISE]
by Troy Varange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Who cares? The rebuttals by the Hipmeister sound like he's pretty cool. So fuck off, net-cops.

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Re: Erasing Disks
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

N.B. Your disagreement is with Peter's paper, not me unless I have inadvertently misrepresented what he wrote. At 2:15 AM 9/14/96 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >I disagree. The methods for declassification in the Army and >Defense Department security manuals included several approaches: >1) Physical destruction - acid, sandblasters, etc. >2) NSA-Approved Whopping Big Magnets I think Peter was looking for non-destructive methods which would allow continued use of the hard disk >3) NSA-Approved Hopefully-Bugfree computer programs for some computers. > >The most secure methods were the unclassified ones - after we >sandblasted our RM05 disk packs, the NSA and KGB can't read anything. >The less secure methods are the ones that require NSA approval - >how strong is a Whopping Big Magnet this year? (Too strong to put >near MY computer lab, thank you! :-) Peter thinks this strength is to strong for practical application. He describes someone who had a strong enough research magnet which bent the platters. Since erasing the clocking tracks requires them to be rewritten at the factory, magnets do not allow reuse of hard disks. >But shredding the floppy? No need to classify that, no secrets leaked Burn after shredding, or you have a puzzle fan reassembling the shredded disk. Hastily, but with regards - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "Cave softly, cave safely, | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | and cave with duct tape." | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | - Marianne Russo | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: SPL -- Suspicious Persons List
by Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry E. Metzger wrote: > > Hallam-Baker writes: > > Pity you guys missed out on the idea of trades unions and think that > > employment is some kind of serfdom in which you loose all your > > rights the day you sign up. If you hadn't sold your government to > > the cooprorations a while back you might have got out of the middle > > ages. > > Yes, we could be a workers paradise like one of those lovely European > countries with double digit unemployment and all. Too bad we didn't go > in for democratic socialism while we could have, eh? Perry, hate to burst your bubble but unemployment in the UK _trippled_ in the first eighteen months of rule by that great socialist Margret Thatcher. One third of UK manufaturing industry went bankrupt in the only large scale application of Freedman's ideas. The UK only began to recover after the monetarist policies were consigned to the dustbin. Unemployment remained high despite a sustained attack on workers rights. The scenario you described is an unjust one but it would be equally unjust if the company was bought out and the new owner decided to sack all black people and people called "Perry". You were the one who brought up the issue of fairness. Phill

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No Subject
by gregburk＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Well, this looks like a chance to quickly correct some mistakes without spending a lot of time framing the issue. tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) writes: > But this latest episode illustrates the role of reputations. Namely, my own > reputation is not being harmed by bizarre commentaries from the Vulis-bot. ..among people who directly know you. You seem to see this as an example of reputations in action. But there isn't any "repute" in there at all. Surely this grand theoretical "reputation" framework isn't needed to describe simple direct experience. And it seems to me that your usage of "reputation" has at different times meant both direct and indirect exposure. This clearly discards important information, often to the detriment of your analysis. Perhaps you can explain why the two separate things are the same in some important way, aside from merely that they both involve esteem. > As its reputation is (apparently) pretty low, and associated with Serdar > Ardic-style rants about "sovoks," "the cabal," and "spit," such an entity > can hardly "assassinate" my character. > A few years ago Larry Detweiler, aka "vznuri" ("visionary"), aka "S.Boxx," > aka "Pablo Escobar," aka several other alternate personalities, wrote > dozens of screeds denouncing me, Eric Hughes, Nick Szabo, Hal Finney, etc. > Did this have an effect on our reputations? Not to people I respected, of > course. And if Detweiler's rants affected my reputation with his peers, > including Dimitri Vulis, Ludwig Plutonium, Doctress Neutopia, Serdar Argic, > well, this is to the good. > In the mathematics of reputations, a negative reputation held by one whose > own reputation is negative is a positive. I don't think this is an example of any such thing. I would not respect a person even a tiny bit more just because a kook disrespects them. In fact, since the kooks frequently hold each other in very low esteem, the suggested polarity-math is self-contradictory. Rather, I think this is an example of how direct exposure supercedes reputation. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQBVAwUBMjs9GLMyVAabpHidAQE4PQH/dfVepFTivql8LtygN8BBoE/l03K7NOIH HVvH4QbHBY2MyVNviRN9R6MF2LsJRYp5SzFfdC+1vm/ohnhWEYZ4aA== =LdoS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- t}t}t}t}t}t}t}t}.

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