December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Can we kill single DES?
by P. J. Ponder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Adamsc(a)io-online.com (Adamsc) >To: "Adamsc" <Adamsc(a)io-online.com>, "Lucky Green" <shamrock(a)netcom.com> >Cc: "cypherpunks(a)toad.com" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Sat, 05 Oct 96 00:05:11 -0700 >Subject: Re: Can we kill single DES? . . . snip . . . >I guess that was kind of ambigous. What I meant was any protocal/system >where money is changing hands protected only by DES. That's what I >meant by >"like digicash". I don't even know if such a beast exists, but was >suggesting that anything involving weakly protected money would be a good >target because it highlights the vulnerability and would get media >attention. - ># Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | >http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp ># <cadams(a)acucobol.com> | send mail with subject "send PGPKEY" >"That's our advantage at Microsoft; we set the standards and we can >change them." > --- Karen Hargrove, Microsoft (quoted in the Feb 1993 Unix Review >editorial) > I think any protocol even similar to one used in a financial type transaction, protected by DES would be a good target. The press could say that DES, the same algorithm used to protect financial transactions, has been broken. Hal Finney provided the target data in the last couple of these distributed cracks, I believe. Sounds like there needs to be much more involvement in this one, because of the number of cycles required. The doling out of keys will be a bigger job, also. If a 100 Mhz Pentium takes 4133 years, then I guess 4133 Pentiums takes 1 year. One year is too long to prove the point of weakness. ------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send to majordomo(a)toad.com unsubscribe cypherpunks in the message body, not the subject line. Note: Don't send to list (Perry-gram risk!)

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[SPAM] Timmy May continues to violate netiquette
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy May has no life. >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 09:37:32 -0700 (PDT) >From: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl.com> >To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> >Subject: Re: [SPAM] "Childish fool" Timmy May abuses mor(m)ons, spawns flame threads >In-Reply-To: <N2XBVD17w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> >Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961005093522.16261A-100000(a)crl12.crl.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Please stop violating net etiquet (and spamming) by posting private >e-mail messages to the list. > >On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > >> Timmy May has no life. >> >> >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 07:19:22 -0700 (PDT) >> >From: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl.com> >> >To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> >> >Subject: Re: [SPAM] More "fuckhead" e-mail from Timmy May and his young friends >> >In-Reply-To: <uk5aVD10w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> >> >Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961005071820.9224A-100000(a)crl5.crl.com> >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >> > >> >Please stop spamming the list. It is rude and disrespectful to >> >all list members. It makes you look like a childish fool. >> > >> >On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >> > >> >> Timmy May has no life. >> >> >> >> >From: Troy Varange <varange(a)crl.com> >> >> >Message-Id: <199610050215.AA00807(a)crl5.crl.com> >> >> >Subject: Re: [VULIS] >> >> >To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) >> >> >Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 19:15:36 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >In-Reply-To: <FV67uD8w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> from "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" at Oct 2, 96 08:29:14 pm >> >> >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >> >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >Content-Length: 7527 >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> I have no dog, nor any other pets. Timmy May (fart) reportedly has two cats. >> >> >> If you suspect that Timmy May (fart) sexually abuses his cats, or any other >> >> >> animals, you should promptly contact the ASPCA and also alert rec.pets.cats. >> >> >> >> >> >> (Frankly, I doubt that the old fart can get his dick up to sexually abuse >> >> >> anything, including his cats. Senility puts an end to sexual molestation.) >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: Troy Varange <varange(a)crl.com> >> >> >> >Message-Id: <199610021931.AA24883(a)crl11.crl.com> >> >> >> >Subject: Important >> >> >> >To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) >> >> >> >Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:31:21 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> >In-Reply-To: <gqH3uD93w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> from "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" at Sep 30, 96 07:57:27 am >> >> >> >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >> >> >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >> >Content-Length: 6226 >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Dr. Vulis sucks his dog's butt. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Timmy May has no life. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: Troy Varange <varange(a)crl.com> >> >> >> >> >Message-Id: <199609300441.AA10704(a)crl12.crl.com> >> >> >> >> >Subject: Re: Vulis FUCKHEAD sucks Timmy's Cock >> >> >> >> >To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) >> >> >> >> >Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 21:41:42 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> >> >In-Reply-To: <LJV2uD91w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> from "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" at Sep 29, 96 11:58:09 pm >> >> >> >> >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >> >> >> >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >> >> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >> >> >Content-Length: 5298 >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Vulis sucks Timmy's boyfriend's cock. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Timmy May has no life. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: Troy Varange <varange(a)crl.com> >> >> >> >> >> >Message-Id: <199609300332.AA09870(a)crl12.crl.com> >> >> >> >> >> >Subject: Re: [SPAM] More "fuckhead" fan mail from Timmy "peteur" May >> >> >> >> >> >To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) >> >> >> >> >> >Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:32:58 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> >> >> >In-Reply-To: <ueP2uD86w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> from "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" at Sep 29, 96 09:45:41 pm >> >> >> >> >> >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >> >> >> >> >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >> >> >> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >> >> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >> >> >> >Content-Length: 4378 >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> berserk >> >> >> >> >> >> Timmy May has gone . Has he been eating speed? >> >> >> >> >> >> bananas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: Troy Varange <varange(a)crl.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Message-Id: <199609300138.AA08482(a)crl12.crl.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Subject: Re: [SPAM] More fan mail from Timmy "peteur" May >> >> >> >> >> >> >To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) >> >> >> >> >> >> >Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:38:05 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> >> >> >> >In-Reply-To: <FFi2uD82w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> from "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" at Sep 29, 96 07:14:50 pm >> >> >> >> >> >> >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >> >> >> >> >> >> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >> >> >> >> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >> >> >> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> >> >> >> >> >Content-Length: 3442 >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What has Timmy been smoking? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]From paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 29 19:03:40 1996 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] via UUCP; Sun, 29 Sep 96 19:14:06 EDT >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] for dlv >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] id AA25790 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Sun, 29 Sep 96 19:03:40 -0400 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ac16129; >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] 29 Sep 96 15:59 BST >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk ([158.152.120.223]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] id aa09441; 29 Sep 96 15:54 BST >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk by fatmans.demon.co.uk with SMTP >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] id AA843903697 ; Sat, 28 Sep 96 09:41:37 +0000 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Comments: Authenticated sender is <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]From: paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 09:21:37 +0000 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Subject: Re: Possible subs attack???? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Priority: normal >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]X-Pm-Encryptor: JN-PGP-P, 4 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Message-Id: <844008901.9441.0(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]> The lying sack of shit Timmy May <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]> The lying sack of shit Timmy May lies again, as usual. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Fuck you, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]I am not Tim May, Check out the return path if you don`t believe me, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]if you still don`t here`s my PGP public key signed by the EFF, they >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]don`t sign keys here and there without checking ID`s... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Type Bits/KeyID Date User ID >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]pub 1024/5BBFAEB1 1996/07/30 Paul Bradley <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Version: 2.6.3ia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az6JAJUDBRAy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]NwfvNkCBjDT0xHEBATQPA/9TORmN/UjNecj03q4anpvdyCLiez5sKuNbnYK50RiP >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Jj4QpWWvST3smyQ0A86DrZY/re056MXwQmARESx0rFZxdnD0oORICl5r8dJLIy3b >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]j8rbA5olXwZwKz73/X5s13v/pvHYX4cIsbVK8NHXqh5llSKt6TBAuGgkIGF29z5k >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]C4kAlQMFEDI3B9mdtf/umVkv7QEBcRYD/1FBteLqsUmr81euxqqnnrpLlyHb58B/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]9sdATuua4uSjX46hXDZ264YozspNrzSB4NEdrmXOWVX3fiE0ga6XkSSkIeF23V90 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]En37Z0BdbFzgF00FRYTFyTq8eezQrdg/+rBPUsZUmG5wpq3e12FKHQsX01i+1mB2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]YmqqwCV5e95eiQCVAgUQMh8uSb5OPIRbv66xAQEqJwP/fxQyiCasjFcbDpsFfsYp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]put5cCC/9pOx6X3DlbKShPMpUOS+A9HsTEmJQN8Iawv1nSwPdtc2cR/GhW6ilVjW >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]LSloGdMVLabm9pGpZZMkRaZlXFUkOv7VhfgsUiL+vIDryBCAwUZCzQiWycjt/cPi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]mUqFH41Z7NkyO8ZFdi5GGX0= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]=CMZA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]- -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Version: 2.6.3ia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]Charset: cp850 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]iQCVAwUBMkzuH75OPIRbv66xAQHSmQQAqw0F/lIsCcQwOpiSQDx4hMqOVVUVXbyR >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]3RMWY20ECE0TpAtJ6hkAiqphsWUSBqiFj2kGHMh+jHSHXIMPF+m1qtwVbgutJC7B >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]8VYWj0VP+bGu5dEUisLrVHDNj5ucEIDyK2GnqObiCiKARFUbOuZnMQOp9TDJqibh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]2Wqa5+h8R7g= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]=/M2U >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ]-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ] "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Fuckhead. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Fuckhead. We know your behind Vulis, Cock-sucker >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >and he swallows >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Fuckhead. >> >> >>

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Re: Fw: Re: ITAR satellite provision
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 5 Oct 1996 05:43:39 -0400 (EDT), The Deviant wrote: >> >So.. if I were to take PGP, put it on a floppy disk, tape it to a model >> >rocket, and launch it across the mexican border, that's not exporting it >> >(although the FAA might complain)? >> As I read the regs, it's not an export at the moment it's launched, but >> it's almost certainly an export when it reaches Mexican airspace or when it >> touches Mexican soil. >Well now, I didn't send it accross the border. I sent it up. wind sent >it accross the border. That's kind of like saying "I didn't export PGP, I just handed a diskette to my Iraqi friend at the airport as he left - what he did with it is his responsibility" # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # <cadams(a)acucobol.com> | send mail with subject "send PGPKEY" "That's our advantage at Microsoft; we set the standards and we can change them." --- Karen Hargrove, Microsoft (quoted in the Feb 1993 Unix Review editorial)

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Voice Stress Analysis of Debates?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:01 PM 10/5/96 -0400, John Young wrote: >URL in The Economist, October 5, 1996, p. 46. >http://www.cmiatl.com/ > Crisis Management International, Inc. >CMI provides crisis management services relating to "hot" >threats of violence, workplace violence prevention, and >post-incident crisis intervention. In addition, CMI provides >threat of violence and crisis response training, >psych-claims management assistance, and SCAN analysis, which >is a deception detection technique. This reminds me... Years ago, somebody developed a technique called "Voice Stress Analysis," which was supposed to detect small variations in a person's voice in response to stress. Not exactly a lie-detector, but it was supposed to do nearly the same thing. Does anybody plan to analyze the debates for stress? Is there software to do this? (Tried to do a web-search; didn't see anything.) Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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RE: WINDOWS NT ????
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 05 Oct 1996 07:57:22 -0700, John Fricker wrote: >>Microsoft claims C2 or higher for NT and deserves any ragging they get if >>it's not. Ditto for any other vendor who claims one thing and sells >>another. >You ought to read about C2. >DIdn't Steve Martin say something like "criticize things you don't know about". Okay, correct me if I'm wrong on this (as if you wouldn't...): 1. Microsoft markets NT with C2 security 2. Numerous industry magazines report that you can bypass NTFS file security by booting off of a diskette and using NTFSDOS. 3. Numerous industry magazines (and I believe MS finally mentioned it in some routine status update) all say that NT should now be considered C2 *ONLY* on machines w/o floppy drives. Sounds like they weren't quite honest on this one. Or are you trying to say that security-by-obscurity (relying on NTFS's then lack of external mounting programs) was a good choice? >>BTW: Bizarre NT Quirk #15413 - The Administrator account does not have >>access to the entire disk. You got it - if you're the administrator you >>still cannot look into certain directories belonging to another user - even >>if you've given all access privileges to the Admin account. Got a few >>chuckles at work. >It's not rocket science to defeat this. The administrator is prevented from casually peering >into user owned directories but any administrator worth a nickle can tap tap click and have >access to any directory. I know that you can get in there. It just seemed odd that it would be setup by default... # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # <cadams(a)acucobol.com> | send mail with subject "send PGPKEY" "That's our advantage at Microsoft; we set the standards and we can change them." --- Karen Hargrove, Microsoft (quoted in the Feb 1993 Unix Review editorial)

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Re: RSA's Official Permission
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> REDWOOD CITY, Calif.---Oct. 2nd, 1996--RSA Data Security, Inc., a > wholly-owned subsidiary of Security Dynamics Technologies, Inc. > (NASDAQ: SDTI), issued the following comments on the administration's > recent announcement of a Key Recovery Initiative: [rave reviews deleted....] I wonder how much being bought by SDT has influenced their positions? # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk

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Re: Sun's GAK position
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:32 PM 10/4/96 -0500, Frank Stuart <fstuart(a)vetmed.auburn.edu> wrote: >I haven't been able to find a position statemnet from Sun Microsystems about >the new GAK plan, but it looks like I did find a position. This is from >"http://www.sun.com/corporateoverview/CorporateEmployment/LISTINGDIR/JobDet ailAUF971004.html": ..... >>Extensive Security and Cryptography knowledge and skills, ability to >>authoratatively present and advocatae security technologies at technical and >>public policy levels, confidence and skill at writing and presenting >>security documents and presentations. specific knowledge of government >>security requirements. A US Government Top Secret SCI and potentially other >>clearances will be necessary for this position. etc. That's not looking for someone to do GAK work at Sun; that's just looking for someone to help Sun sell stuff to the Feds. They've been doing secure operating system support and selling Suns to the NSA, Pentagon, and everybody else for years. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk

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SRC_rip
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

10-7-96. NYP: "Seymour Cray, Computer Industry Pioneer and Father of the Supercomputer, Dies at 71." Markoff "I was fortunate in having an instructor at the University of Minnesota who was looking after me in the sense that when I said, 'What's next?' he said, 'If I were you, I'd just go down the street here to Engineering Research Associates, and I'd think you'd like what they're doing there." The company was doing contract work for the Navy in cryptography. Mr. Cray's first supercomputers permitted researchers to crack enemy codes. ----- http://jya.com/srcrip.txt (13 kb) ftp://jya.com/pub/incoming/srcrip.txt SRC_rip

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Re: This list is a joke
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> When I subscribed to this list, I thought it would have decent > communication on worthwhile topics. I've come to realize though that 75% > of the messages I receive are from people whining like 4 year olds. I am > making a huge assumption in saying that most of the people on this list > are adults. It is time to start acting like it. > > Please take my name off this list. I think if you qualified as an adult you would be able to unsubscribe yourself from a mailing list without assistance. Keep the whingeing to yourself... Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: Missionaries (was: "Mormon Asshole?" re: GAK)
by Michael Peponis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> On Sat, 5 Oct 1996 15:55:42 -0700 (PDT), John C. Randolph wrote: > > >What's really sad is the way that every cult member tries to convince > >himself that *his* franchise has more to offer than Lifespring, > > Food for thought: suppose he didn't - why would any rational individual > follow a religion he thought was wrong? Simple, the average shuck does not have the backbone to stand up for something he/she thinks is full of garbage. They would rather let the bullshit slide than to make an issue of it, and risk being ostersized or worse. Peace and Tranqility are what people want, not truth(which is relative) and freedom(which is not). I guess I should clarify the distiction. Truth is subjective, there are many things I think are true, but I can't prove them beond a shadow af a doubt. Absolute freedom is easy, it boils down to one simple question. "Can I do what ever I want". If the answer is yes, I am free, if the answer is no, I am not free. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I have no return e-mail, my ISP cut me off for violating community decency standards. BOYCOT FACSIT ISP, BOYCOT COMMUNITIES DECENCY STANDARDS

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