December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: "Utilization Review"
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:01 PM 8/20/96 -0400, Alan Horowitz wrote: >If you want to convince the masses - or even fashion elites such as myself >- to forego recourse to voluntary risk sharing.... you have your work cut >out for you. The insurance companies have every reason to perform "Utilization Reviews", since only they have incentive to contain costs. Our medical plans tend to insure for routine medical care and as a result, give the insurance companies the data about our routine care. If they only paid for catastrophic illness and accident care, they would only have reason to have data on that care. Do you want to share the risk of routine medical care? Or do you just want to share the risk of catastrophic illnesses and accidents? Or do you want to keep it all private. What you pay for, you can keep private. What they pay for, they can review. Your choice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Cave ab homine unius lebri | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | [Beware the man of one | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | book] - Anonymous Latin | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

2 1

[NOISE] Airport legal question
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I know that it is a violation of federal law to joke about explosives at the X-ray machine. Would an "I love Explosives" sticker on carry-on luggage violate any laws? TIA,

3 2

Re: your mail
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: DMiskell(a)envirolink.org, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue Aug 20 16:41:01 1996 > So, how do you UNDO the encryptation? Gee, no wonder it's uncrackable. > > Daniel. > > > It may very well be the ultimate one-way hash. dave - ---- David E. Smith POB 324 Cape Girardeau MO USA 63702 dsmith(a)prairienet.org http://www.prairienet.org/~dsmith send mail of 'send pgp-key' subject for my PGP public key "Reality is the original Rorshach" -- Principia Discordia -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Automagically signed with Pronto Secure for Windows. iQEVAwUBMhow8DVTwUKWHSsJAQFm+wf+I7+0gcjYxrD0du/1I6Ufz/0jctIA6xJt 8ePhjW6X6rIzGPshzGapQ4dOpUZTa+dtsnvUccg7Fn4sBv71lELnGobNMvnSImzA C7OT+25giz3XGsfKTX6M0EruV4EkwfutBGp129FuU6blXNnXpFTtvy0q4PbGqE0B mti6n5/JQw2I3GVP72duvPKZ9Fac34Hr7e8OA1YYBLgTa0vIAl4F98x2O6CNjhfF Y+/qbzZov1ltl2QggfPc2juxWvTV4trW8tLOi5TddiS/avHOHoMebe2FjAu6MATt giO+HDT+AIvE4NZ+EZAct6VCz8HIkhRfJmgJBK9wQkwOvRkV4ZqnPQ== =uVag -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

Re: Spamming (Good or Bad?)
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Or About 20 Aug 96, 18:09, Rich Graves wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Vipul Ved Prakash wrote: > > > I don't know if there has been much discussion on the ethics of > > spamming here? Is spamming free speech? > > Yes. > > So is mailbombing the motherfucker, or more productively, virtually > picketing his ISP until they kick him off for net abuse That is the kind of self righteous crap that gives me the creeps!!! > > Ethically? We don't talk ethics much here, but I'd say it's highly > unethical to abuse a service paid for by the pooled resources of > many. I pay for my net access. I pay for my Sunday paper, it's full of ads too!! Ethics??? Let's rat out on the EVIL spammers!! Let's turn them into thier ISP!!! That's a load of CRAP!!!! Ross =========== Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

6 5

Re:phoneco vs X-phone
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:00 AM 8/20/96 -0700, Brian D Williams wrote: > >Jim bell writes: > >>What do you mean, "doesn't really fit the facts"?!? What part of >>it was incorrect? Fiber-optic _is_ commonly used in inter-office >>trunks, right? It doesn't wear out, right? Higher usage doesn't >>entail greater costs, right? The capacity, while not strictly >>infinite, is high enough so expanded usage doesn't strain most >>links, right? Finally, modern phone switches have sufficient >>connect capacity so that they can handle usage which would have >>been considered "unusual" by yesteryear's standards. All >>of this points to an obvious conclusion: Telephone companies do >>not, in general, have increased costs as a consequence of >>increased telephone usage. > >Fiber does not wear out per se, but it does need replacing, partly >from the inevitable contractor accidents (landscapers) and >occasional entropic events. However, those events are generally uncorrelated with usage... > Mux cards and repeaters do go bad on a >regular basis, there is a correlation between usage and increased >maintenance, Well, technically that's true, but these devices are usually running continuously, not merely when a call is being made. In other words, more talk != more failures. For the most relevant (though minor) example that I can think of, consider the typical laser diode used to drive fiber optic cables. These devices have a finite wearout mechanism (as opposed to most IC's which generally do not wear out in normal usage), so they may be seen to have a limited lifetime. However, in use they are continuously transmitting data, even when portions of the channel are unoccupied, so they have a constant life regardless of individual phone usage. >and of course increased usage means increased electricity usage. This is an extraordinarily minor effect, as you might imagine. >One point that seems to be missed here is the very high cost of >compliance with government regulations. If the internet phone >people have to comply with the same regulations it will drive up >their costs dramatically, and if the regulations are lifted for >all, the RBOC's think they can out compete them. If that is the main difference in costs, then we should abandon those regs. Another big cost is billing, which could be eliminated if usage were unmetered. In any case, I tend to agree: Make these changes, eliminate the LD/local subsidy, and the LD companies would have no problem (at least domestically) competing against Internet phone. (International may be a different story, because foreign telcos tend to be owned by countries.) Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

1 0

Justice Department stalls for time in CDA lawsuit, from HotWired
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:12:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)eff.org> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Justice Department stalls for time in CDA lawsuit, from HotWired [Read the complete column at the URL below... -Declan] http://www.hotwired.com/netizen/ HotWired, The Netizen 21 August 1996 DOJ Dodge by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Washington, DC, 20 August The US Department of Justice is stalling for time. The Supreme Court yesterday granted the government an extra month to submit the next phase of its Communications Decency Act appeal, allowing the DOJ a few more weeks to coordinate the original ACLU lawsuit with a lesser-known suit filed by Joe Shea, editor of the American Reporter. [...] But in truth, the DOJ shouldn't need any more time to file this paperwork. The "jurisdictional statement" the department's been working on for seven weeks - and now has until 29 September to submit - must argue only that there's a substantial constitutional issue at stake in the CDA lawsuit, something transcendently obvious to anyone who hasn't been napping through the 14 months since Time magazine's cyberporn cover hit the newsstands. [...] While this is likely just normal legal skirmishing in a battle where the DOJ attorneys have few useful weapons and already have suffered one crushing defeat, the government's five-page application for an extension of time hints at why a delay would be to their advantage. [...] In other words, the CDA might be unconstitutional now, but _constitutional_ some months from now - depending on how labelling and blocking technologies such as PICS and SurfWatch evolve. Keeping kids out might have been a royal pain when the judges heard the case in March 1996, but by March 1997 it might amount to no more than the minor irritation of a constitutional hangnail. David Sobel, a lawyer for the Electronic Privacy Information Center and co-counsel on this case, said: "They could make the argument in the Supreme Court that the court in Philadelphia hasn't really completed its work on the case, and all that is entered is a preliminary injunction. They could argue that this case should go back to Philadelphia for further proceedings, since they're now prepared to answer the court's questions about what kind of technology may be coming down the pike." Whatever the reason for the DOJ's delay - summer bureaucratic slothfulness or malicious conniving - one thing is certain: we have the rest of the year to enjoy the government's lawyer tricks. ###

1 0

Re: License Plates
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Or About 20 Aug 96, 18:02, Skip wrote: > and with worse threats concerning license plates, it's time to pull > off that rear plate again! Doing it tonight, join me! ALL RIGHT Skip!!! Personal protest is the way to go. Ross =========== Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

1 0

Edited Edupage, 18 Aug 1996
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"educom(a)educom.unc.edu" 18-AUG-1996 23:56:45.22 >***************************************************************** >Edupage, 18 August 1996. Edupage, a summary of news about information >technology, is provided three times a week as a service by Educom, >a Washington, D.C.-based consortium of leading colleges and universities >seeking to transform education through the use of information technology. >***************************************************************** Speaking of Net-in-Orbit (while distributed datahavens have their points, sometimes you'd prefer not to have a given chunk of data on your hard drive - even encrypted with a passphrase), what's the physical setup for rewriteable optical drives? Are there any methods of doing those that will work OK in orbit? >ECHOSTAR TO DELIVER DATA, TOO >EchoStar Communications has successfully completed a public test of the >technology it will use in cooperation with Intel Corp. and Comstream to >deliver data via satellite to subscribers. Transmission rates could be >several megabits per second, says EchoStar's director of program management, >who adds that the opportunity to download Web content at higher speeds is >attractive to people hampered by slow phone lines. "If the download could >be made quickly and it could be stashed on their hard drive, that might be >something they'd be interested in," he says. In the recent test, >subscribers who use EchoStar's system to receive video and audio content >were given cards to install in their PCs, enabling them to receive data as >well. (Broadcasting & Cable 12 Aug 96 p86) [...] >Edupage is written by John Gehl <gehl(a)educom.edu> & Suzanne Douglas ><douglas(a)educom.edu>. Voice: 404-371-1853, Fax: 404-371-8057. >Technical support is provided by Information Technology Services at the >University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. >*************************************************************** >Edupage ... is what you've just finished reading. To subscribe to Edupage: >send mail to: listproc(a)educom.unc.edu with the message: subscribe edupage >Charles Baudelaire (if your name is Charles Baudelaire; otherwise, >substitute your own name). ... To cancel, send a message to: >listproc(a)educom.unc.edu with the message: unsubscribe edupage. (If you >have subscription problems, send mail to manager(a)educom.unc.edu.)

1 0

Re: Spamming (Good or Bad?)
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Or About 20 Aug 96, 16:23, Jim Gillogly wrote: > > Vipul Ved Prakash <vipul(a)pobox.com> writes: > >I don't know if there has been much discussion on the ethics of > >spamming here? Is spamming free speech? > > I oppose spamming because it's rude and inefficient, lowering the > S/N everywhere it happens. Market droids Market Droids???? As a salesman I take offence at this slur. > favor it because it's > cheap, and no matter how many people they piss off bigtime, they > make some sales. Even make sales to people who are pissed off at first... Ross =========== Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

2 1

Re: [NOISE]CIA Contra Crack and LA Gangs (fwd)
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue Aug 20 23:34:46 1996 OK, Rich cites a loon, but the fact is that Southern Air Transport right here in Miami was in there early in the contraarms-coke trade. You don't make the real money in any transport business unless you can have full loads both ways. Also, the skills needed to land an overloaded airplane on an unimproved strip are different than those held by typical pilots, even very good, carrier-rated military pilots. Drugsmugglers had 'em, nobody else did, the CIA needed pilots with the skills to have their filthy little war. You can search the "major papers" libraries of West & Lexis for: "mena /p cocaine" and find all kinds of stuff. You can look into the case of John Hall's ranch in Costa Rica and find all kinds of stuff, too. The best experiment I've run across is to ask anyone (especially anyone under 30, for some reason) the following: "Do you think those planes came back empty?" When I do this, _I_ don't have to say the word "cocaine," they say it for me. Every time. It is a major, bipartisan, Watergate-style but bigger scandal, and the strange bedfellows in the media who were doing a halfway decent job of covering it [The Wall Street Journal and "High Times" magazine(!)] have fallen strangely silent on the subject as the election approaches. Hmmmmm. JMR Regards, Jim Ray -- DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy "'Filegate' is starting to make _Ed_ _Meese_ look ethical." -- me Defeat the Duopoly! Vote "NOTA," not Slick/Dull in November. Harry Browne for President. Jo Jorgensen for Vice-president. http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/ ___________________________________________________________________ PGP id.E9BD6D35 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 <mailto:liberty@gate.net> http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray Coming soon, the "Pennies For Perot" page. Keep billionaires off welfare! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMhqD221lp8bpvW01AQF1SwP+JOEoKPgIeFD5EEMMj+psfRaAZHoA+yzC ntVGjl22ThuqwyUJbbhmNEEP2+/mcGd4D1AWvs2Q0yFwWRyQybGGlnTyXtNNVY8s rY4pHCtkUftOxD9oxpB7FSaN2giZzYohbd3bduet1kO6DoXRRHxFq8F/4rbAZbA/ WnRbDSfblUQ= =WDGI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

2 1