December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: HipCrime as MetaSPAM
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:10 AM 9/15/96 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >5) "Anarchist Info" - sigh. Where do people get the idea that publishing >recipes for drugs and explosives is anarchist info? He didn't talk >about anarchy, or getting along without governments, or getting rid of them. >Also, he neglects to note that you can simply _buy_ potassium chlorate, >rather than having to (dangerously) boil down bleach and potassium chloride In addition: Potassium chlorate based explosives are not particularly safe or reliable, but worse than that, much worse, because of their relatively slow detonation rate, they are very ineffectual for smashing stuff and killing people, --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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REJ_ect
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

9-20-96. NYP Page One: "Cellular Industry Rejects U.S. Plan for Surveillance. Police Want Technology That Pinpoints Wireless Users Within a Half-Second." Markoff. The wireless communications industry voted yesterday to reject Government-backed technology that would make it possible for law enforcement agencies to keep closer tabs on cellular phone users. DoJ wants to be able for the first time to determine the location of a cellular phone caller within a half-second and almost instantly monitor the status of cellular-phone voice mail, conference calls and other wireless communications features. Yesterday's vote by a subcommittee of a network operators and manufacturers group called the Telecommunications Industry Association, came in response to a technical document the F.B.I. has been quietly circulating to industry executives since April. Known as the Electronic Surveillance Interface, the document specifies what wireless communications monitoring data must be accessible to law enforcement officials with a court warrant. ----- http://jya.com/reject.txt (8 kb) REJ_ect

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Re: Re: [NEWS] Crypto-relevant wire clippings
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Adamsc(a)io-online.com Fri Sep 20 01:07:49 1996 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 20 Sep 96 01:24:03 EDT for dlv Received: from [206.245.244.5] by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA09924 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Fri, 20 Sep 96 01:07:49 -0400 Received: from GIGANTE ([206.245.244.204]) by irc.io-online.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 285-17715) with SMTP id AAA186 for <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com>; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:07:13 -0700 From: Adamsc(a)io-online.com (Adamsc) To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 22:07:34 -0800 Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> X-Mailer: Chris Adams's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 X-Filtered: By PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re: [NEWS] Crypto-relevant wire clippings Message-Id: <19960920050709843.AAA186@GIGANTE> You are being gently flamed because. [X] you continued a boring useless stupid thread [ ] you repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to [x] you repeatedly initiated incoherent, flaky, and mindless threads [x] you posted a piece riddled with profanities [ ] you advocated Net censorship [ ] you SCREAMED! (used all caps) [x] you posted some sort of crap that doesn't belong in this group [ ] you posted the inanely stupid 'Make Money Fast' article [ ] you threatened others with physical harm [x] you made a bigoted statement(s) [x] you repeatedly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority [x] you are under the misapprehension that this group is your preserve [x] you repeatedly shown lack of humor [x] you are apparently under compulsion to post to every threat [?] you are posting an anonymous attack >>> Thank you for the time you have taken to read this. Live n' Learn.<<< # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 "I have never been able to figure out why anyone would want to play games on a computer in any case when the whole system is a game. Word processing, spreadsheets, telecoms -- it's all a game. And they pay you to play it." -- Duncan Frissell

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Cellular Industry rejects US plan for surveillance
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Front page of todays New York Times. "But many industry executives and privacy-rights advocates disagree with the government's interpretation of the [Digital telephony] law. The industry says that the new cellular abilities would be burdensomely expensive to administer...." http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/financial/cellular-phone-monitor.html Login, of course, is cypherpunks, password cypherpunks Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: Re: CIA hacked
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Adamsc(a)io-online.com Fri Sep 20 01:14:30 1996 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 20 Sep 96 01:24:05 EDT for dlv Received: from [206.245.244.5] by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA10241 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Fri, 20 Sep 96 01:14:30 -0400 Received: from GIGANTE ([206.245.244.204]) by irc.io-online.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 285-17715) with SMTP id AAA199 for <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com>; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:14:03 -0700 From: Adamsc(a)io-online.com (Adamsc) To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 22:14:25 -0800 Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> X-Mailer: Chris Adams's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 X-Filtered: By PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re: CIA hacked Message-Id: <19960920051400906.AAA199@GIGANTE> You are being gently flamed because. [X] you continued a boring useless stupid thread [ ] you repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to [x] you repeatedly initiated incoherent, flaky, and mindless threads [x] you posted a piece riddled with profanities [ ] you advocated Net censorship [ ] you SCREAMED! (used all caps) [x] you posted some sort of crap that doesn't belong in this group [ ] you posted the inanely stupid 'Make Money Fast' article [ ] you threatened others with physical harm [x] you made a bigoted statement(s) [x] you repeatedly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority [x] you are under the misapprehension that this group is your preserve [x] you repeatedly shown lack of humor [x] you are apparently under compulsion to post to every threat [?] you are posting an anonymous attack >>> Thank you for the time you have taken to read this. Live n' Learn.<<< # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 "I have never been able to figure out why anyone would want to play games on a computer in any case when the whole system is a game. Word processing, spreadsheets, telecoms -- it's all a game. And they pay you to play it." -- Duncan Frissell

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Re: All Bets Off
by pjb＠ny.ubs.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

actually, i understood that he was an insurance salesman. -paul > From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Fri Sep 20 06:43:59 1996 > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:19:44 -0400 (EDT) > From: The Deviant <deviant(a)pooh-corner.com> > To: Daniel Christopher Miskell <DMiskell(a)envirolink.org> > Cc: Rabid Wombat <wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org>, cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: All Bets Off > Organization: The Silicon Pirates > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > TEXT/PLAIN> ; > charset=US-ASCII> > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Content-Length: 754 > > On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Daniel Christopher Miskell wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:30:32 -0400 > > From: Daniel Christopher Miskell <DMiskell(a)envirolink.org> > > To: Rabid Wombat <wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org> > > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > > Subject: Re: All Bets Off > > > > >On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Jeff Davis wrote: > > > > > [lots of quoting rm'd] > > > > > Tom Clancy is not a military-hired brain, but to make his novels realistic and > > to do justice to the people he portrays, he does a LOT of research. He is a > > highly respected author, and I have no doubt that his statement is based on > > his personal findings, collected for a previous novel. > > > > I beleive he was also a Capain in the Navy... > > --Deviant > Old MacDonald had an agricultural real estate tax abatement. > > >

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Re: 56 kbps modems
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I checked the Rockwell home page, which has a pointer to the press release. It isn't very technical, but gives some good clues. It looks like they're doing an interesting trick. The modems aren't designed for use like traditional modems, where the same equipment is on each end. Instead, there is a digital interface on one side of the phone call (like at an Internet Service Provider). The consumer side modem has a traditional analog interface. The rest of this is speculation and fantasy on my part. So, think about it. The analog side will generate voltages and send them to the local central office, where they will be digitized and sent to the destination central office digitally. There, they will be patched into one channel of a T1 line (out of 24) and sent digitally to the ISP's "modem bank". Equipment is already available (and in use all over the uunet network) that plugs T1 into a board full of digital signal processors, decodes each of the 24 channels (each channel running any modem signalling protocol, or ISDN), handles PPP packet framing, and gateways the resulting packets to/from an Ethernet. Now for Rockwell's trick, you get the DSP's in the two modems to talk to each other. They can run some simple coding scheme (say ordinary 2400 baud modem for this example) to pass digital data back and forth while they're negotiating the full blown deal. First, the analog side sync's up with the clock for the 8000 samples/sec that the central office is digitizing (into 8-bit samples). You can do that by sending one voltage and then switching to another; the far side can tell you whether you switched on a sample-boundary or not (was there a sample "in between" before it settled to the new value?). OK, then, in each sample slot, the analog side can send one of 256 different voltages. The digital side can tell it the 8-bit values it received. Then fine-tune that to sending 128 different voltages, taking particular care around the ones that got distorted the first time. As long as you can find 128 distinct voltage levels that the central office will reliably digitize, you're done. You're sending 7-bit samples at 8000 samples/sec. Do something similar for the analog receive side, and you can start passing user data at 56K. If the robbed-bit stuff gets in the way of seeing 128 distinct voltage levels in every byte, you can send solid zeroes or solid ones in each direction and see which bits they're stealing out of which bytes. Use most of the 8 bits available in the other bytes (you can find e.g. 200 different voltage levels that will work), and in the stolen byte, you can find e.g. 100 voltage levels that work. This is more bits than using 128 voltage levels in every byte, and in fact you can probably get closer to 64 kbits/sec than to 56 kbits/sec, depending on the analog qualities of the wire to your central office. A nice trick! It won't speed up analog-modem-to-analog-modem connections, but those will increasingly be a smaller and smaller fraction anyway, as the digital infrastructure becomes cheap. And of course the 56K modems will just be DSP's with decent A/D and D/A interfaces, so they can run all the old analog protocols too, in the case that the phone line isn't digitized, or if they want to talk to an old modem. John

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ANYONES CREDIT CARD # per your request.
by brianh＠u041.oh.vp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thought this would be appropriate to the list Forwarded message: > From u082.wi.vp.com!alis Fri Sep 20 10:57:39 1996 > Message-Id: <m0v46wy-0002J9C(a)u082.wi.vp.com> > From: alis(a)u082.wi.vp.com (Ali Sajanlal) > Subject: Credit Card information (fwd) > To: nd(a)u082.wi.vp.com > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 9:53:03 CDT > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL8] > > Forwarded message: > > Date: 20 Sep 96 18:38:16 > > Subject: Credit Card information > > > ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ > > Subject: FYI - Check this out > > Author: alis(a)u082.wi.vp[.com > > Date: 9/20/96 10.00 AM > > > FYI - Check this out > > > > Unfortunately, this message needs to be propagated to protect all of us. > > > > Note: Lexis-Nexis is only accepting written or fax requests. You have the > > option to fax your removal request to (513) 865-1930 state your full name > > and complete address. Or mail the request to: > > Lexis-Nexis > > Attn: P-Track > > P.O. Box 933 > > Dayton, Ohio > > 45401-0933 > > > > > > >Subject: FYI > > >Author: Nathan Judge at NYERPOC > > >Date: 9/16/96 2:42 PM > > > > > >Your name, social security number, current address, previous addresses, > > >mother's maiden name, birth date and other personal information are now > > >available to anyone with a credit card through a new Lexis database called > > >P-Trax. As I am sure you are aware, this information could be used to > > commit > > >credit card fraud or otherwise allow someone else to use your identity. > > > > > >You can have your name and information removed from this list by making a > > >telephone request. Call (800)543-6862, select option 4 and then option 3 > > >("all other questions") and tell the representative answering that you wish > > >to remove your name from the P-trax database. You may also send a fax to > > >(513) 865-7360, or physical mail to LEXIS-NEXIS / P.O. Box 933 / Dayton, > > >Ohio 45401-0933. Sending physical mail to confirm your name has been > > removed > > >is always a good idea. > > > > > >As word of the existence of this database has spread on the net, > > Lexis-Nexis > > >has been inundated with calls, and has set up a special set of operators to > > > > >handle the volume. In addition, Andrew Bleh (rhymes with "Play") is a > > >manager responsible for this product, and is the person to whom complaints > > >about the service could be directed. He can be reached at the above 800 > > >number. Ask for extension 3385. According to Lexis, the manager > > responsible > > >is Bill Fister at extension 1364. > > > > > >Please forward this e-mail to everyone we know. > > > > > > > Ali S. > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- //!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\ Brian Hills Varco-Pruden Buildings 1202 Industrial Dr. Van Wert, OH 45891 419.238.9533 - brianh(a)u041.oh.vp.com \\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//

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Re: DL in exchange for fingerprint
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:13 PM 9/19/96, Gary Howland wrote: >Timothy C. May wrote: >> >> (Yes, I disliked being thumb-printed, but I could see no viable >> alternative. I'm sure Duncan has some scheme to declare himself a Botswanan >> exchange student, but I decided being thumb-printed was the lesser hassle.) > >Sure, it's always less hassle doing what they want. Privacy doesn't >come for free. It's easier to let the police search you in the street >than it is to make them arrest you so that you can make a formal >complaint. So, just what it is _your_ method of dealing with this? While it is noble to talk about fighting the system, just how do you go about doing it yourself? Do you simply drive without a valid driver's license? I know some folks who do, of course, but it's not something that's "worth it" to me. (This space reserved for your lecture about how I need to be prepared to go to jail to defend my right not to be thumbprinted, etc. On second thought, why don't you be the one to go to jail, and then you can let us know your experiences.) >> Paraphrasing that famous quote, just which part of "not for identification" >> don't they understand? > >Hmm - who are you paraphrasing here? (Just curious). "What part of "No" don't you understand?" and "What part of "Congress shall make no law" don't you understand?" --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: monkey-wrenching GAK
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:46 PM 9/19/96, Ray Arachelian wrote: >Another thing you can do: generate huge key pairs all day long and submit >them to the NSA. If enough people do this, they will be flooded and >overworked, of course they may ignore them, etc, or make it hard to do >so, but if everyone generates a 4K key every hour or two and discards it, >but gives the key pair to the NSA anyway, they will run out of storage >space, or at least it will make it much much harder for them to figgure >out which key you are using for conversation X. Ah, but what about the _fee_ for registering a key? You really didn't think this would be free, did you? (It costs money to register cars, guns, etc., so why would it be "free" to register a key?) Besides being a revenue enhancement tool, charging a fee stops this sort of flooding attack. (Note: One of my biggest objections to GAK, besides the political/civil rights issue, is what it does to systems which generate lots and lots of keys on an ad hoc, continuing basis. GAK, if enforced, puts a major speed bump in the way and increases costs, possibly making certain kinds of systems infeasible.) --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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