December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

The Living and the Dead
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For the vets unable to sleep: The Washington Post has two heart-breaking pieces today on a new book about Vietnam, "The Living and the Dead: Robert McNamara and Five Lives," by Paul Hendrickson. The book tracks the disaster being formulated in 1965 by DC top-down policy interleaved with savagery to five grunts in bloody battle. There's a laudatory review of the grim book, and a long magazine piece gives an excerpt which includes some of Life's photos of a Marine copter gunner's transition from happy-go-lucky, to butchery of buddies, to grief-stricken collapse. It reawakens what's never forgot. That April, 1965, Life photo-essay, "One Ride With Yankee Papa 13," turned up in a sidewalk stall today so we'll put 18 photos on our Web page for a glimpse back to the future of power-mad policy begetting slaughter. http://jya.com/yp01.jpg through http://jya.com/yp18.jpg

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Re: The Living and the Dead
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:54 AM 9/16/96 GMT, John Young wrote: > The Washington Post has two heart-breaking pieces today > on a new book about Vietnam, "The Living and the Dead: > Robert McNamara and Five Lives," by Paul Hendrickson. > > The book tracks the disaster being formulated in 1965 by > DC top-down policy interleaved with savagery to five > grunts in bloody battle. > > There's a laudatory review of the grim book, and a long > magazine piece gives an excerpt which includes some of > Life's photos of a Marine copter gunner's transition from > happy-go-lucky, to butchery of buddies, to grief-stricken > collapse. It reawakens what's never forgot. > > That April, 1965, Life photo-essay, "One Ride With Yankee > Papa 13," turned up in a sidewalk stall today so we'll > put 18 photos on our Web page for a glimpse back to the > future of power-mad policy begetting slaughter. ObAP comment: A few weeks ago, the tv show "60 Minutes" ran an item about a group of Jews who, after the end of WWII, vowed revenge on the Nazis, down to German soldiers, plotting to kill as many as they could. In their biggest coup, they killed hundreds of Germans in a POW camp by poisoning their bread. My reaction? As you might expect, I think that the main thing they did wrong was to not kill enough of them, but more particularly to not target the higher-ups. The way I see it, the fundamental reason that people will continue to participate in holocausts, even today, is that they see no real prospect of being punished for their crimes. Unfortunately, society has been conditioned if not to "forgive and forget," at least to not punish where it has an opportunity to punish. I suggest that this is no accident: It is in the interest of tyrants everywhere to let the other guy off easy, lest he be in the same position someday. This is why numerous African and South American dictators were allowed to "retire" in peace, rather than being killed. How would an AP-type system treat Robert McNamara? He'd be dead in a second. To those who say, "What good would this do?" I respond: Anyone in the American government today who is considering an adventure which MIGHT turn into another Vietnam should be deterred by the knowledge that sometime, in 30 minutes or 30 years, he could be killed for what he did. Robert McNamara, presumably, did what he did because he thought he'd never be punished. The best way to deter future governmental abuse is to remind these people that they _will_ be punished. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: The Living and the Dead
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sep 16, 1996 01:54:40, 'jya(a)pipeline.com (John Young)' wrote: >18 Nam photos on our Web page for a glimpse back to the >future of power-mad policy begetting slaughter. Corrected URL's: http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~jya/yp01.jpg through http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~jya/yp18.jpg

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Re: Kiddie porn on the Internet
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Allegations that "save the children" is a political organization providing cover for an effort to ban cryptography] At 01:54 PM 9/9/96 -0400, Hallam-Baker wrote: > Their main mission is sending food to Ethiopia and other famine > areas, development work etc. It is ultra-worthy stuff. Not everyone who sends food to the starving children is ultra respectable. Problem is that the usual cause of starving children is tyranny. In order to get close enough to the starving children to take those cute fund raising photographs you have to pay off and get cosy with tyrants. This creates a moral hazard, in that it is hard to tell the difference between normal bribery needed to do anything in a tyrannical state, and bribery to bribe tyrants to create starving children for photo ops. It is very common for international charities to develop excessively friendly relationships with murderous tyrannies, Monsters do not generally sport horns and a tail. More commonly they walk around on two legs with large neon halos prominently displayed. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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ComLaw> Down South
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cross-post from commonlaw(a)teleport.com At 09:11 PM 9/15/96 -0400, James M. Cobb wrote: > 09 14 96 Associated Press distributes a newsstory headed: > > MEXICAN REBELS WARN OF MORE 'SELF-DEFENSE' ATTACKS > AGAINST GOVERNMENT > Points from the newsstory: > Leaders of a violent new rebel group are vowing to > press their war on Mexico's military and police.... > > [Last month's] raids were the most widespread guerril- > la attacks in Mexico in decades. > > ...during the news conference, the rebel leaders... > said that...bomb threats issued since last month's at- > tacks were part of an outside campaign to discredit the > group. > > They said their targets will continue to be government, > not civilian, sites. > Please note that word: OUTSIDE. > > Imported from Atlanta. > "Overnight" via NAFTA Express: > [The rebel group's statement] cited "the TERROR and > desperation caused by unemployment, the drastic reduc- > tion of the buying power of salaries, the lack of at- > tention to health, education and housing." > Cordially, > Jim > NOTE. The AP newsstory's www.nando.net online filename: > > world2_15734.html > I capitalized the Clinton-word in the last quota- > tion. > This critical essay was composed 09 15 96. >From what has appeared in the American media about this new Mexican rebel group, I'm particularly pleased with them. This is exactly the kind of alternative that we need to the stereotypical, "kill lotsa innocent citizens" attacks which are often associated with the term terrorism. They make it clear that they specifically target soldiers, police, and other government employees. After reading a couple of articles, it is obvious what they need: A method to prevent spoofing of their communiques, a function that PGP could do quite easily. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: SPL -- Suspicious Persons List
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:04 PM 9/15/96 -0400, Phill <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> wrote: >> Work for the competition, or start your own company. >Easy enough for you or me who can charge the minimum wage rate >for an hour for a period more like a minute. In this part of California, most yard work is done by small companies run by guys named Jose or Pablo, who can charge maybe 2-3x minimum at most before the competition undercuts them. And they have to worry about blacklists also - "business licenses" and "immigration papers". >... >Being opposed to government slavery isn't enough. Coorporate slavery >is just as bad. Unless people are enfranchised ecconmically as >well as politically the political liberties don't matter much. It's not corporate slavery when you don't have to work for them. >I am on an SPL that is run by an organisation called the "Ecconomic >League". It is an organisation run by the UK Conservative party >which keeps lists of "unsafe" employees. Of course the list is (Just because I don't believe in the concept of "corporate slavery" doesn't mean I don't think corporations can be offensive. This sucks...) Out of curiousity, I thought the UK had Data Privacy Laws or some sort of Database Cops - does that not apply to applications like this? # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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"But if it saves just one child."
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:51 PM 9/15/96, James A. Donald wrote: ... >Not everyone who sends food to the starving children is ultra >respectable. > >Problem is that the usual cause of starving children is tyranny. ... >It is very common for international charities to develop excessively >friendly relationships with murderous tyrannies, But there is a simple rationale for this behavior... The rallying cry heard so often these days: "But if it saves just one child." Hence the moves to ban guns, the moves to ban cigarettes, the moves to remove violent scenes from movies, books, and video games, and, yes, the close alliances between Save Our Children and the Idi Amins of the world. (Hillary also thinks it takes a village to save the children.) --Tim May, who think GAK and Position Escrow are justified if they save but one child's life. We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Internet Drivers' Licenses
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 16 05:27:03 1996 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 16 Sep 96 07:19:42 EDT for dlv Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA14516 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Mon, 16 Sep 96 05:27:03 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ak19721; 15 Sep 96 11:16 GMT Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk ([158.152.120.223]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa23486; 15 Sep 96 11:02 BST Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk by fatmans.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA842733091 ; Sat, 14 Sep 96 20:31:31 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> From: paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 20:31:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Internet Drivers' Licenses Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <842781779.23486.0(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> > mpd(a)netcom.com (Mike Duvos) writes: > > A given key could mean "I am Mike Duvos", "I am Tim May" > > Fart. How long is it going to take for you to grow up you trailer butt-fucker? Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3ia mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az6JAJUDBRAy NwfvNkCBjDT0xHEBATQPA/9TORmN/UjNecj03q4anpvdyCLiez5sKuNbnYK50RiP Jj4QpWWvST3smyQ0A86DrZY/re056MXwQmARESx0rFZxdnD0oORICl5r8dJLIy3b j8rbA5olXwZwKz73/X5s13v/pvHYX4cIsbVK8NHXqh5llSKt6TBAuGgkIGF29z5k C4kAlQMFEDI3B9mdtf/umVkv7QEBcRYD/1FBteLqsUmr81euxqqnnrpLlyHb58B/ 9sdATuua4uSjX46hXDZ264YozspNrzSB4NEdrmXOWVX3fiE0ga6XkSSkIeF23V90 En37Z0BdbFzgF00FRYTFyTq8eezQrdg/+rBPUsZUmG5wpq3e12FKHQsX01i+1mB2 YmqqwCV5e95eiQCVAgUQMh8uSb5OPIRbv66xAQEqJwP/fxQyiCasjFcbDpsFfsYp put5cCC/9pOx6X3DlbKShPMpUOS+A9HsTEmJQN8Iawv1nSwPdtc2cR/GhW6ilVjW LSloGdMVLabm9pGpZZMkRaZlXFUkOv7VhfgsUiL+vIDryBCAwUZCzQiWycjt/cPi mUqFH41Z7NkyO8ZFdi5GGX0= =CMZA -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: 56 kbps modems
by craigw＠dg.ce.com.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

That I realize that baud and bit/sec are not the same, but I feel you would have a hard time getting a 56k modem to work on a line that does not support 28.8k fully, let alone 33.6k. A leased line (copper pair) from telstra only supports 9.6k and costs close to ISDN. When the telco reinstalls the literal tons of copper cable that we have lying underground for at least 20 years in some instances that connects the exchanges, and replaces this with optic fibre preferably, or at least higher bandwidth co-ax, we will not have 28k even. In the states you have better lines and ISDN is far less expensive. For two B channels perminantly connected I have to pay about $2500/month in this country. Not many home users can pay this, thus they have to still use modems. With the lack of bandwidth to and from the exchanges, there is not a chance in hell a 56k modem will work in this country for many years. (Australia - the lucky country...not in regards to bandwidth) > As I am sure has been discussed at length before, baud does not equal > bps. AFAIK, V32bis is only 2400baud. ,'~``. \|/ ,'``~. (-o=o-) (@ @) ,(-o=o-), +--.oooO--(_)--Ooo-----oOO-(_)-OOo-------oooO--(_)--Oooo.------+ | | | Soon, we may all be staring at our computers, wondering | | whether they're staring back. | | | | [Network Admin For WPA Business Products. aka doshai >;-) ] | | .oooO http://pip.com.au/~doshai/ Oooo. | | ( ) Oooo. .oooO ( ) | +-----\ (----( )-------oooO-Oooo--------( )--- ) /---------+ \_) ) / \ ( (_/ (_/ \_) Key fingerprint = 2D F4 54 BB B4 EA F1 E7 B6 DE 48 92 FC 8D FF 49 Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key. (if I want to give it to you)

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Re: Email Robot draws fire from CypherPunkz
by peter＠baileynm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sneck. The points I get out of this: 1. Cypherpunks lives up to its name. Mainly, the second part. 2. Whether an email spam is business related or not, it's neither desirable or interesting. Two years ago having a robot like that might have been amusing. Now it's just another spam. 3. Y'all really oughta read Stand on Zanzibar again. I think you're missing the point.

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