December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Why should we trust the system?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:10 AM 8/9/96 +0000, jonathon wrote: >On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, jim bell wrote: > >> Okay, I'll admit that I _never_ believed that judges actually follow the >> standards they claim to. But many other people of those who are more > > I know of a very good way to ensure that judges do follow > the standards that they claim to follow. > > It works even better at making politicians keep all the > election promises the make. > > Has one drawback --- it reduces the number of people willing > to carry out those two functions to virtually zero. OTOH, that > probably would be a very good thing. > That's odd...I know of one also! B^) Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Data Bases of Voiceprints?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:26 AM 8/10/96, harka(a)nycmetro.com wrote: > * Carbons sent to: In: tcmay(a)got.net (BTW, I read the list, so no need to send carbons to me, or carbon-based units. or carbon-based citizen-units.) >Here the technical progresses made in eaves-dropping technology come in >really handy. Eaves-dropping on, let's say, apartments is these days >rather trivial and a great way of collecting voice samples of 'suspects'. >That the FBI doesn't have a voice database or at least access to one, I >seriously doubt. Most of the technologically advanced countries use >voice-recognition already to monitor phone traffic. The US does, Germany >does, the UK.... I'm skeptical. To paraphrase Dr. Strangelove, what use is such a data base if cops and agents don't know it exists? (Granted, useful in a few exceptional cases, even if field offices and agents are unaware that it exists, but not useful for many cases.) If such a voiceprint database, obtained surreptitiously through National Technical Means (tm), were to exist and be known to exist by investigators, word of its existence would leak out quickly enough. This is just my opinion, of course. But, as the Martian watchers say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Do you _know_, that such a data base exists? (A data base of, say, more than 5% of all the adults in the U.S., in a data base that is searchable by voice print match to samples submitted by FBI or other law enforcement agents.) >The system functions 'vacuum-cleaner-like' and reacts to voice patterns >(individual voices) and trigger words. If a trigger word is said, the >entire conversation will be recorded and the telephone number on either >end determined for later review. >There are a few books out there, that deal with that kind of thing. >Unfortunately, I only remember a german one: "The RAF Phantom", written by >three journalists. But an Altavista might bring something up too... Sure, we all know--or should know--what the _capabilities_ are, technically. But capability !=! actuality. I doubt such a data base of voice prints exists. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Aug 09 23:30:57 1996 > I believe that in California, you may have a PO Box on your > driver's license, but the state has to have your "real" address > in its records. As noted, some people forget to update this > information when they move, and others list their lawyer's > address with the state. Presumably, that should satisfy the > legal justifications for requiring an address. In Missouri, that's all they wanted (a PO Box). That's perfectly copacetic by them. If you want to register for voting - since we have Motor Voter - they of course need a real address. And the post office's requirements for getting a PO Box are nearly nonexistent. > > More important is ensuring that all the addresses that the > > state has on you are the same. The preference seems to be > > to have the same address as is on one's checks. > > That may be the preference, but I just use my e-mail address on > my checks. If more is required to cut a deal, I can choose to > add more information by hand if I am willing to do so to do the > transaction. I like that - email on cheques. Wish I'd thought of that before I ordered my last batch. > S a n d y > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ dave - ---- David E. Smith POB 324 Cape Girardeau MO USA 63702 dsmith(a)prairienet.org http://www.prairienet.org/~dsmith send mail of 'send pgp-key' subject for my PGP public key "Heard a lot of talk about this Jesus, a man of love, a man of strength; but what a man was two thousand years ago means nothing at all to me today ... " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Automagically signed with Pronto Secure for Windows. iQEVAwUBMgwQmDVTwUKWHSsJAQGN1Af+LqxaOOIo/ZfMOLbUxRa09PLO5vArlZyW sKbngGrr3ZPVVxIkrrhaBTPPQ2VFkzcrx+ixUZa36+tdf0F+Q8oZBbrRy+NBFqMr D8x/5cHbXQ/1u7dZuHfDx9s0AFeijb2oNZ7XdmuoSb6evS2xuwknx15zLdHqt1LO AiJgw86Bdwa1eYBYrCLt0JtvVXA8zB5CTZs/ZawpOszlcUwbPptOFH0S6fhGwolC 4zA2qE6nyOiD3efl6Q3TPnlUcusFj3ICa8bvzz3DgRIGJMN/pWHU+A4NmtL/NOoj MGZfHGDiI27YOF6p+9p+pZ93HJuVJQOd+1US3hXBriM1lrVfNqMUlw== =oBZP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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DMV/Public record data on CDROM
by <pstira＠escape.com> 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There are several state's DMV data (or other public record data such as Voter Registration) available on CD-ROM, with DOS search engines. I have the demos for some of these programs on http://www.escape.com/~pstira/pi Oregon is not the only place you can obtain this type of information.

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Re: Drive the SF Central
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>CBS radio news this morning: 80,000 commuters traveling the central >>f'way in SF will have information mailed to them regarding the quake retrofit >>How? Their license plates have been photographed. >You *are* making this up, right? Please say you did. In> It's possible today, and probably affordable. If not, it will be in In> 1-2 years, as Moore's law cranks down processing costs and video In> technology improves. For this application, they don't have to In> photograph every car, or read every plate successfully, or do it in In> real time. The objective is to get lots of drivers to take other In> routes or mass transit so they don't have to dump all the traffic onto In> surface streets right around the construction. Wasn't there something about these cameras in the latest 2600? (BTW, there was also alot of information on encryption in the issue, too.) P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... TagX Pro of Borg - "Your tagline will be assimilated." ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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Re: editorial: information havenots already have not
by an366601＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Nyms I'd vote for
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Rich Graves <rich(a)c2.org> wrote: >On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, John F. Fricker wrote: > >> #3) The goal is the anonymous citizen. The first step it to secure >> #the data >> currently exposed. Can this be done _without_ legislation? > >I disagree with this goal. The anonymous consumer/worker, yes; the >public has no business knowing what I as an economic actor buy, read, >and think. If I choose to participate fully in the political system, >though, in ways that go beyond votes and petty contributions to >others' campaigns, the public has an interest in my identity and >biases. Anonymous voices can and should be heard, and they can and >should be influential at times, but they don't get to run for office. [Rant -- you touched a sore spot here, Rich.] And I disagree with Rich, at least in regard to the present system. My "representative," is Ileanna Ros Lehtinen (R.). No Democrats have chosen to run against her, and the Demopublican's beloved ballot laws prevent me from running and actually getting on the ballot. I would GLADLY vote for either Lucky Green or Black Unicorn if these nyms were running against this statist woman, but I am not given that (or any other) choice by the state. She has already "won" the "election," and thus will NOT APPEAR on the ballot. The state of Florida assumes that I would rather not vote for None Of The Above [NOTA], and my state is, once again, wrong. The Florida Supreme Court is carefully ignoring the Constitution(s) they all swore to uphold in these cases, and I am trying to use any medium I can to trumpet this fact, so that solutions like Mr. Bell's (yes, Jim, I know you have one for this, too) don't start sounding better and better. <sigh> :( [End Rant] P.S. Lucky & Uni: don't worry, I plan to [try to] write in "Jim Ray." JMR Regards, Jim Ray -- DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy "Ray's corrolary to Murphy's Law: 'You will be spared NOTHING.'" -- P. C. Ray (my dad) Defeat the Duopoly! Vote "NOTA," not Slick/Dull in November. Harry Browne for President. Jo Jorgensen for Vice-president. http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/ ___________________________________________________________________ PGP id.E9BD6D35 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 <mailto:liberty@gate.net> http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray Coming soon, the "Pennies For Perot" page. Keep billionaires off welfare! ___________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMgxaBW1lp8bpvW01AQGRIQP+OZebKXfGgsKTdzIzld1vomnVqnB4nQ3L C0iDcTPqsEuEN/39nb+BinccCvjM3vvdxTVOYhs9QS1Gdf4TwkUE8+k3oWc1X7hy AtLcemGGQ+pwyMwfqd6gAboLM9oeg/QeRtaa+MXSdrl8WU/KCTWxeIQTH1/LPKLq 9KiTlgHH+2U= =tBZy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Fw: SafE Mail Corporation
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 23:58 8/9/96, Bryan Reece wrote: >Afraid so. But they do challenge hackers to break it (the old `here's >some ciphertext, doesn't this look secure?' thing). They also offer a >`free demo version', but due to federal law they can't make it >available over the net so they do this: We showed their software to be worthless a few months ago. I am surprised they are still selling it. They are opening themselves up for some very nasty litigation. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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RLR_lsl
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

8-10-96, NYP: Peter Steinfels, religion columnist, compares the "religious right" with the "life-style left," and examines how the perjoratives are employed to oversimplify and stigmatize -- an example of the pitfall A. Mehta has critiqued on Cypherpunks: "binary thinking." The real opposite number to the religious right is the life-style left, which includes people who are religious and people who are not. It includes some welfare-state liberals and some anti-government libertarians. What unites the life-style left is the belief that In regard to the widest possible range of basic choices about how to live, the state should refrain from exerting its influence. The more basic the question, the less the role of the state. ----- http://jya.com/rlrlsl.txt (7 kb) RLR_lsl

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Re: Drive the SF Central Freeway, have your license plate photo'ed.
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:56 8/9/96, Bill Stewart wrote: >At 10:45 PM 8/8/96 -0700, Lucky wrote: >>At 21:55 8/8/96, i am not a number! wrote: >>>CBS radio news this morning: 80,000 commuters traveling the central >>>f'way in SF will have information mailed to them regarding the quake retrofit >>>How? Their license plates have been photographed. > >>You *are* making this up, right? Please say you did. > >It's possible today, and probably affordable. If not, it will be in 1-2 years, I know that there are video cameras on the freeway. I also know that reading license plate must be trivial, since I saw such systems abroad years ago. In fact, in Europe, where cameras are ubiquitous in inner cities, face recognition is the latest fad. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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