December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Going Postal (Was: Boom!)
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:50 AM 8/9/96, Mike Duvos wrote: > >The Post Office has now jumped on the terrorist bandwagon by >announcing that it will no longer be legal to drop any package >weighing over 16 ounces into a collection box. Actually, CNN was reporting that this is for _airmail_ only. Which makes a certain kind of sense, given the situation with bomb technology. >Larger packages will have to be presented in person at the >Post Office, and I wouldn't be surprised if several forms of >ID were required. The usual alternatives of UPS (cheaper) and FedEx (not so cheap) should still be viable. This could actually boost their business. I just had some Evil Smokeless Powder delivered to me via UPS. (The Post Office people will not handle this stuff...it either violates their union contracts or management is afraid the employees will use it to go postal with.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Boom!
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So, if it turns out that TWA 800 was an accidental wing tank explosion, will they give us our civil liberties back? If not, why not? DCF "'It Takes a Village to Raise a Child' -- an unemployed hausfrau living in public housing in Washington, D.C."

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Re: Going Postal (Was: Boom!)
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 17:50 8/8/96, Mike Duvos wrote: >The Post Office has now jumped on the terrorist bandwagon by >announcing that it will no longer be legal to drop any package >weighing over 16 ounces into a collection box. > >Larger packages will have to be presented in person at the >Post Office, and I wouldn't be surprised if several forms of >ID were required. We'll see the day. >Should wreak havoc with the mail order video tape rental business, >with those handy pre-paid 4th class labels you just slap on the >tapes before dropping in the nearest mailbox. A video tape weighs less than a pound. >I suspect one could do a lot of damage to a mailbox with under 16 >ounces of the proper explosive. Perhaps one of our resident >Cypherpunks bomb experts could expand on this subject. Sixteen ounces of C4 will do you right. It was only 12 ounces that brought down the Pan Am flight over Scotland. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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Re: Going Postal (Was: Boom!)
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 19:22 8/8/96, Timothy C. May wrote: >I just had some Evil Smokeless Powder delivered to me via UPS. (The Post >Office people will not handle this stuff...it either violates their union >contracts or management is afraid the employees will use it to go postal >with.) A while back, I ordered some "I love Explosives" bumper stickers from an explosives dealer in New Mexico. They also ship black powder via UPS to anyone. Twenty pounds maximum. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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anarchy cookbook???
by Michael Cortes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

cypherpunks Ok this is what happend.I was looking around on the www. And came across the jolly roger "anarchy cookbook" and i was wondering.Any one know what happend to jolly roger? -Zac ps: Oh and sorry for like all fucken up on my last letter heh

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Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:25 AM 8/8/96 -0700, Alan wrote: > It will be interesting to see the state come out on the side of all those > anonymous drivers. The state wants people to be anonymous from each other, but not anonymous from the state. This ensures that we are dependent on the state for the maintenance of civilized behavior. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: PRACTICAL USES FOR DMV RECORDS
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:47 AM 8/9/96 -0700, you wrote: >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SANDY SANDFORT > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >C'punks, > >On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, jim bell wrote: > >> The Oregon DMV database needs a new home. I've seen a few >> mentions of willing volunteers,... > >It probably needs a whole new domain. How 'bout: > > burglary.org > >That way, when burglars see an Oregon car loaded with a family >heading south into California on vacation, they can just go on >line and get those folks' address from the database. > >Afterwards, a thank you note to Oregon's DMV would be in order. > > Currently they can stop in at the DMV, say something to the effect "this car hit my dog", pay $4 cash and never even have to take off the ski mask. The DMV has no ID requirements for giving out this information. It has without a doubt already been bought and sold many times to marketing companies ("Hey this guys got an old Toyota"), insurance companies, private investigators, thieves and mobsters, and at least one person on our side. Until there is such a thing as the "anonymous citizen" public data might as well be as public as it gets. This "for those who know" policy is pervasive and must end. --j Oregonian and in that database

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Re: Drive the SF Central Freeway, have your license plate photo'ed.
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:55 AM 8/9/96, i am not a number! wrote: >CBS radio news this morning: 80,000 commuters traveling the central >f'way in SF will have information mailed to them regarding the quake >retrofit blah blah. > >How? Their license plates have been photographed. >... and the cheery "news" anchorwoman sweetly moved on to the next ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >story..... Don't expect anchorbimbos to have a thought about anything. (*) Though it might have given her more pause if the story was about how 80,000 women in California are being mailed special information on birth control options because their license plates were photographed in Planned Parenthood parking lots.... It really ought to be illegal for any level of government to monitor citizen-units this way, for any purpose. By the way, it also underscores something we've talked about before: surveillance technology is moving so fast that the Chaumian idea of avoiding movement-tracking by "digital cash" may be impossible to achieve. You can spend your digibucks to avoid being tracked on a toll road, but their cameras will see your (mandatory) license plate and maybe even your face anyway. --Tim (* In the first "Robocop," anchorbimbo extraordinaire Leeza Gibbons, clone of Mary Hart, did a wonderful satire of bubbleheaded hairspray journalists.) Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Drive the SF Central Freeway, have your license plate photo'ed.
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:55 8/8/96, i am not a number! wrote: >CBS radio news this morning: 80,000 commuters traveling the central >f'way in SF will have information mailed to them regarding the quake >retrofit blah blah. > >How? Their license plates have been photographed. >... and the cheery "news" anchorwoman sweetly moved on to the next >story..... You *are* making this up, right? Please say you did. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:49 AM 8/9/96, John F. Fricker wrote: >Isn't that the role of legislation? To implement solutions that society >would not do on it's own? > >The enabling technology is obviously off the self. > >I think you may have misinterpretted my last sentence which was supposed to >have had a ? at the end. Where's the proof reader when you need one! "To implement solutions that society would not do on it's own?" Would not do, or could not do? It is within anyone's power to ask their psychiatrist what form of encryption he uses to protect his files. Likewise with doctors and hospitals. (Though I freely admit that one would not be likely to get very far. For at least the next decade or two, the reaction will likely be "Huh?" But "legislation" mandating a form of encryption is not the answer. For many reasons.) On this list at least, calls for passing laws to implement societal solutions are not usually smiled upon. This is not to say such discussions are out of bounds, only that you'd better make some persuasive arguments and not just appeal to our common sense sympathies for social engineering and more laws. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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