December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids
by Vinnie Moscaritolo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 19 Jul 1996 19:51:39 Hallam-Baker wrote >It is no coincidence that the Tree of Liberty needs to be watered with >blood on occasion. As a native Bostonian, I have to tell you that the original "Tree of Liberty" was cut down many many years ago and in it's place now stands a storefront, if you look up onto the second floor you will notice a frieze of a tree. This is all that stands to commemerate the "Tree of Liberty". oh btw that storefront is in the comabat zone of boston, and the last time I checked that store was called either the "Naked I"or the "Pussycat lounge", can you guess what they sell? It's been a while since I've been in that neighborhood, so I dont remeber the street corner, ask bob hettinga if you want to know where. Speaking of Bob Hettinga put it to words best, told me that standing on the Concord bridge he could see the colors of the American flag eminating outwards to the rest of the country. Yup this is where it all started.. Vinnie Moscaritolo "Law - Samoan Style" http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A

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No more stupid gun thread ...
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ok. This thread has gone on long enough and covered just about every point except the one which I originally made in my first response, which is that I abhor the idea that kids should carry weapons (of any sort) to school as standard equipment. In fact, I abhor the idea that kids should carry weapons at school for any reason. Enough said. I do not care to discuss: 1. Should kids have any weapons at any time? 2. Should kids have guns (specifically guns)? 3. Should kids know how to operate weapons of any sort? If any of you really really have to discuss this issue, let's spare the rest of the list and send me E-Mail directly. Thanks! Ern

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passphrase and Diceware [was Re: Length of passphrase beneficial?]
by Jean-Paul Kroepfli 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The author of the Diceware system is Arnold G. Reinhold and can be contacted to einhold(a)world.std.com He has three pages: The Diceware Passphrase home page (html), The Diceware WordList (ascii) and a text with the technical rationales behind the list (ascii) I don't remember the URL, sorry Greeting, Jean-Paul ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Jean-Paul et Micheline Kroepfli (our son: Nicolas and daughter: Celine) eMail: JeanPaul.Kroepfli(a)utopia.fnet.fr Also Compuserve and MSNetwork Phone: +33 81 55 52 59 (F) PostMail: F-25640 Breconchaux (France) or: +41 21 843 27 36 (CH) or: CP 138, CH-1337 Vallorbe Fax: +33 81 55 52 62 (Switzerland) Zephyr(r) : InterNet Communication and Commerce, Security and Cryptography consulting PGP Fingerprint : 19 FB 67 EA 20 70 53 89 AF B2 5C 7F 02 1F CA 8F "The InterNet is the most open standard since air for breathing"

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Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids
by drose＠AZStarNet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry E. Metzger writes: >hallam(a)Etna.ai.mit.edu writes: >> > On 19 Jul 1996 19:51:39 Hallam-Baker wrote >> >> >>It is no coincidence that the Tree of Liberty needs to be watered with >> >>blood on occasion. >> >> Nope, that wasn't me who said that. I don't normally quote the words of >> slave owners on the subject of liberty. > >No one would ever accuse you of supporting freedom, Phill. I'm sure it >was an accident. Perry, Can we add "Doc" Hallam-Baker to the pledge program? Seriously, c-punks is an incredibly valuable resource/forum. There are many hundreds of folks on the list (like me) who may not have the relevant technical expertise to contribute intelligently and/or frequently, but I think that we all _learn_ a great deal by reading the timely and thoughtful essays, debates, and points of view selflessly and sometimes thanklessly contributed by the likes of (in no particular order and by no means inclusively) Messrs. May, Sandfort, Unicorn, Green, Parekh, your goodself and many, many, many others. Of course, there are always those who will willfully waste thousands of man-hours per day for the list with their obviously unwelcome drivel (I do not here make reference to the clueless "suscrives" who stumble onto the list with questions about "kewl stuff"). In a physical setting, even the most obtuse person eventually realizes that he or she is being ostracized, but in the ether... (Sigh...) David M. Rose

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Re: Borders *are* transparent
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:50 7/23/96, Paul Foley wrote: >"Peter Trei" <trei(a)process.com> wrote: > > Any one up for a distributed brute force attack on single DES? My > back-of-the-envelope calculations and guesstimates put this on the > hairy edge of doability (the critical factor is how many machines can > be recruited - a non-trivial cash prize would help). > >Not quite sure what you mean by "doability" -- it's obviously doable, >it just depends how long you want to wait. > >I'm in. Same here. I think it is about time for another full scale hack. Breaking DES would help get our message more than breaking 40bit RC-4 ever did. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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Win 95 security
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just found this in my Inbox. Maybe somebody wants to check it out... Harka == Forwarded Message Follows ========================================= >From : 75037.725(a)CompuServe.com (Yonat Dascalu): I have uploaded to Simtel.Net: http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/win95/util/wsi95-20.zip ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/win95/util/wsi95-20.zip 1243345 bytes wsi95-20.zip The security solution for Windows 95 Win-Secure-It, v2.00, The Security Solution for Windows 95. Supply Single/Multi user protection against unwanted intruders from accessing items you choose to protect. Protection is done in four levels, completly hiding files and folders, blocking any access to the files, allowing just files read-only access, or just monitor file and data usage. Intruder's log is collected to keep track on unwanted attempts to violate the file security. Can be activated also in Stealth mode. A tool for anyone who tries to protect his files and work data. Special requirements: None. wsi95-20.zip has replaced wsi95-12.zip Shareware. Uploaded by the author. Yonat Dascalu 75037.725(a)Compuserve.com ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]

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Re: Special Agent Safdar
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I hadn't planned to comment, but I've seen messages like this one, and a message from Perry, which appear to take "Anonymous" seriously, or at least to take him as sending his message as a serious attack. I took it as a broad satire, though lacking in the craziness which usually signals to all that a satire or spoof (or facetiousness, depending on one's ideas about irony) is involved. At 7:33 PM 7/22/96, Alan Olsen wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >At 02:32 AM 7/22/96 -0600, Anonymous wrote: >>FBI Special Agent Safdar is upset enough by the revelation >>of his true identity to issue a quick denial (on a sunday night, to get >>more OT no doubt), but he doesn't even bother to try to refute the >>central truth that his cover has been blown by a careless operator at >>his home office who verified his employment and offered to take a message >>for him. > >Denial?? Sarcasm perhaps... No "denial" I could see. Alan, I'm somewhat surprised that you could mention "sarcasm" without thinking--as I did less than a fourth of the way through the "Anonymous" piece you are quoting--that the whole piece was a close relative of sarcasm. That is, a spoof, a satire, a joke. I think the first mention of VTW being an agent of the Gubment might have been serious, albeit clueless. But this later piece has all the hallmarks of an over-the-top satire on the first "Safdar is an agent" piece. Consider some "tells": >>We don't have to wonder a second longer about the motives behind "We don't have to wonder a second longer..." Pretty clearly over the top. >Why would they have to operate a dummy organization? All they have to do is >get the names of the subscribers on this list. Much more cost effective. Indeed. Which is why the first piece is so obviously satirical. >>We must call on the other organizations, like EPIC, EFF, CDT, and ACLU >>to denounce the VTW\FBI fraud. Their board of directories, Blaze and >>Schneier to face the truth in public that they they have been used. >>The net as a whole to demand its pound of cyberflesh. Further, we must insist that Diffie confess to his role in undermining the only truly secure cryptosystem, the virtual one-time pad! By propagating his filth about the strength of public key systems, aided by his VTW-Tchurka agent Schneier, he has polluted our precious bodily fluids. >And not to forget all the free code that Blaze and Schneier have handed out >over the years. Maybe that is a plot as well. Maybe the typos in Applied >Cryptography are a secret conspiracy to weaken the cryptography of the >nation. Next thing I expect you to say is that Queen Elisabeth is a drug >dealer and/or other LaRouche style rants. The House of Windsor is controlled by the psy-ops Tavistock Insitute, also known as the White Visitation. Freud, a cocaine and morphine user, advised Tavistock on psy-ops and the British opium trade. Esalen, a Tavistock-CIA think tank and training center, has hosted several international meetings of the Drug Cartel, including both the Cali Cartel and the notorious Langley Cartel. (Besides, doesn't the entire British Royal Family behave as if they're on drugs? 'Nuff said.) >>There are very big questions to be answered now and we must not >>forget to keep asking them until they have been. How high did >>this operation go? Agent Safdar is no Olly North! He didn't >>do this on his own. Who ordered this? > >The voices in your head? Actually, I have more interest in your motives >than his. Read up on the uses of this kind of humor. >Your accusations are not accomplishing anything constructive. I do not >believe that they were designed to either. I believe that they were >designed to sow mistrust in the individuals who are making real progress >against the Government held position that they have the right to spy on our >every move. But who would take the points seriously, besides you, Perry, and one or two others? I just read it, and thought: "Mildly funny, but not quite crazed enough." Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Bare fibers
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:21 PM 7/22/96, harka(a)nycmetro.com wrote: > * Carbons sent to: In: jimbell(a)pacifier.com (Nice pun, unless it was unintentional or automatic...but, then, we're Cypherpuns, and these "threads" inspire them.) > -=> Quoting In:jimbell@pacifier.com to Harka <=- > > In> The fiber is usually coated with a very thin layer of clear plastic to > In> protect against moisture and abrasion, and the diameter is around 0.5 > In> to 1.0 millimeters in diameter. > > >Doesn't that make it vulnerable (detectable) to Tempest attacks? > No, TEMPEST has nothing whatsover to do with this. You can learn what TEMPEST is by doing a Web search on the term, or by reading about it elsewhere. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Was Jefferson a Better Cryptographer or Slaveowner?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:03 PM 7/22/96, Simon Spero wrote: >On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >> (BTW, Jefferson's slaves were inherited and an an entailment clause in >> the will prevented him from freeing them during his lifetime. Not, of > >It would be hard to prove the case that this was the only thing >preventing earlier manumission, but then the whole issue is one of the >hardest things to understand about Jefferson; many of his closest friends >were leaders in the abolitionist movement of the time, and it's almost >impossible to believe that he didn't know slavery to be morally >indefensible relatively early on in his political development. Guess it >was just part of his programming he couldn't throw off. > >Still leaves him just ahead of FDR as best american president, but does >drop him a way behind Paine for best political theorist of the revolution I agree that Jefferson was the best President. Thinker, writer, inventor, cryptographer, teacher, farmer, founder of universities, and principal author of the Declaration of Independence of course. Yes, he owned slaves. Makes me rethink my position on slave-owning.... --Tim "Massa" May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Boobytraps and the American Legal System
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:36 PM 7/22/96, Vinnie Moscaritolo wrote: >> You pop a claymore in a building with any substance up to the level of >>concrete re-enforced, and you _will_ be going with them. > >booby traping your home is a really stupid idea, I promise that your >dog/child/spouse will be theone to accidentally set it off. besides for >this you can get sued.. > >every hear the one about the case of a guy who constantly had his radar >detector stolen out his his car, he decides to set a trap and rigs his next >one with exposive. The perp steals the box, sells it. someclown powers it >up on his dash board and BANG!.. well you'd figure justice is served, but >the NYC judges awarded the mass of flesh damages and charged the guy with >manslaughter. Agree, very foolish to ever plant boobytraps in one's own home. Still, I remember vividly in college when the court case was decided involving a guy in Florida who was tired of being burglarized and the cops doing nothing about it: he rigged a shotgun to go off when someone broke a window and entered. A perp did, was shot, survived, and the case went to trial. The boobytrapper was found guilty of some serious crime--I don't recall the details (this was circa 1972). However, all of my dorm roommates at the time were chortling over the stupidity of imprisoning someone for the crime of trying to defend his property against repeated invasions by scum. This was a "touchstone" example for most of us, raised on Heinlein and Rand as we were. More than chortling, we were uniformly angry. (The world seems to be divided into two basic types over issues like this: those who are outraged that the burglar could collect damages from his victim, and those who are outraged that the owner was even able to buy a shotgun in the first place.) (Later examples were to be even worse. For example, the burglar who climbed on a roof and stepped through a skylight. He sued, and won. I guess the owner of the property was obligated to install night lights so burglars could see their way, and to generally make his property more "burglar-friendly." Or the woman who sued a hospital, claiming her psychic abilities were lost after a CAT scan. She won.) As Vinnie said, "only in Amerika." --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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