December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

New type2.list/pubring.mix
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Everyone! There is a new type2.list/pubring.mix combination on jpunix.com. The new list reflects the re-birth of rebma. Welcome back! The combo is available through the Web at www.jpunix.com as well as anonymous FTP at ftp.jpunix.com. Note: The PGP public keyserver at jpunix.com is temporarily down. I think I'm suffering from a corrupted keyring. I'm working on getting it back up. Please be patient. John Perry - perry(a)alpha.jpunix.com - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! WWW - http://www.jpunix.com PGP 2.62 key for perry(a)jpunix.com is on the keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMfDcjVOTpEThrthvAQHfUgP/e0qcOi/3i99on9O3CrZB5n0dDEGZP83M mFspHOHGzmyoTEf71HmUzi5/1vTaNfykSj0JGM62PdVOM4hCchQsUH9IGodE0aWx L3FcIu5SQNzBZt66f2MU0QJ4uchn4lRcgtVypVJdxZZLaNDAQFwsxK2FDURuDnBm qw91fU5G3Yc= =LAmO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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pledge status
by Perry E. Metzger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm glad to report that a large number of people have now taken the pledge not to reply to David Sternlight's posts. Remember, replying to David almost never serves any useful purpose -- he is almost totally incapable of admitting he is wrong, and almost everyone disagrees with him already. By replying to him, you simply continue to encourage him to fill the mailing list with junk. Don't feed the Sternlight. Take the pledge. Perry

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Re: American People the relation to the Police
by Seth Oestreicher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > >Well, to many of us, the wrong side won the War of the Rebellion (aka the >Civil War, aka the War Between the States, etc.). A bunch of southern >states wanted to seceed, which my reading of the founding documents said >was clearly an option if sentiment was strong enough in that direction. Even President Lincoln agreed that it was the right of the South to seceed...... > >Constitutional scholars of course debate this, and I've seen arguments that >the documents eventually agreed to in 1789-90 in some ways undercut this >"right" to seceed. I think this to be untrue, and that the signers of the >Declaration and of the Constitution would be surprised to learn that they >were signing a one-way, unreversible, no way out document, binding their >communities to be part of the United States of America forever, even if >their populace clearly wants out. > The Federalist Papers made it quite clear that the States were to remain "independant". The Federal government was *not* designed for it's own self preservation, but to preserve the collective rights of the States. We wound up with our form of government today out of pure ignorance of the populace. When was the last time a jury exercised it's right to *not* convict on the basis of a wrongful law? When was the last time someone questioned the validity of our central bank, the Federal Reserve, even though it so clearly violates the Consitution? Why doesn't the NRA use the historic representation of the Second Amendment instead of trying to have us believe we are some sort of militia? (In a literal translation of the amendment into today's English, it would read: Since we don't trust the military because it could be used against the American people, but we realize that having a trained military is important for the successful defence of the States, we will make sure that no one can take the guns of the populace so they may defend themselves from the aformentioned military.) Why does ANYONE believe that there is a seperation of church and state? Why is foreign aid allowed to continue when it is not allowed by the Constitution? (I could go on and on.....) Ignorance of our history and our real *inalienable* rights has given us the Government which so many fear today.

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Re: US versions of Netscape now available
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:59 AM 7/19/96 -0700, Tom Paquin wrote: s far as company policy goes, it's a good bet that we won't >willingly break any laws. Licensing export-restricted software >to a "foreign person" (includes companies, etc) without a >particular export license would probably be a mistake which would >get corrected quickly. I don't think there is any contradiction here. ITAR arguably prohibits disclosure; it does not prohibit licensing WITHOUT explicit disclosure. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Firewall Penetration
by Ryan Russell/SYBASE 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It depends. ---------- Previous Message ---------- To: cypherpunks cc: From: jti @ i-manila.com.ph (Jerome Tan) @ smtp Date: 07/19/96 05:29:11 PM Subject: Firewall Penetration Is it possible to penetrate a firewall?

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Re: US versions of Netscape now available
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"paquin(a)netscape.com" 20-JUL-1996 09:00:37.83 >Alex de Joode wrote: >> I would like to know what Netscape's position on the above mentioned >> scenario is .. (Uploading "possibly" received 128 bit binaries to >> official netscape mirrors outside the US, that is) (guess why ...) >I guess I should look again, but I *thought* our licenses explicitly >excepted use of "US-Only" software (defined in the license) from the >standard exclusions. I think the attys lifted some of the definitions >straight from ITAR and may have quoted 22USC. Maybe we screwed >up and got the wrong license in the beta and missed the check. >I don't know. I'll look. *sigh* BTW, is the license essentially copyright-based? If so, you're going to have trouble using it in a country that you can't legally sell/give away with limits the stuff to; it is assumed that you aren't losing anything. I may be wrong, of course, but that's my understanding of how penalties, etcetera are determined under copyright law. -Allen

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Re: Filtering out Queers is OK
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"david(a)sternlight.com" "David Sternlight" 20-JUL-1996 09:08:49.96 >I speak as a father who has raised four children who turned out to be >independent beings to successful adulthood and families of their own, not >as a theoretician. Most of my knowledge on the subject comes from a friend of mine... who's a grandfather (raised 5 children) and a trained child psychiatrist. Until he left his most recent position (in Alabama), he was the head of their child psychiatry training program. -Allen

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Re: lambda 2.09 - French Telco Act Censored?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:41 PM 7/19/96 +0100, Jerome Thorel wrote: >OECD FAILS TO ACT ON KEY-ESCROW ENCRYPTION; THE US ACCUSED OF "POLICY >LAUNDERING" > >The Paris-based OECD, the 24-members club of industrialised nations, has >failed to take a step towards international recongnition of key-escrow >encryption. The meeting of June 26-28 in Paris, scheduled to take a firm >decision about the possibility of law enforcement agencies to read >electronic mail of private individuals and corporations, didn't succeed to >act on a compromise. The OECD's general secretary has no special power to >draw regulations and must find a common policy on the matter. [deleted] > >Sources said the US were willing to "use" the OECD as a "policy laundering" >machine : to pressure the organisation in order to have the key escrow >policy approved by the 24 countries. US intelligence officials would have >been using it as a political weapon at home, where Congress, >public-interests groups and industry pressure groups are on the verge to >act against any key-escrow policy. Lemme see... The Europeans are now complaining about the US government pushing key escrow on them? So where did that "emerging consensus" go?!? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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[NOISE} Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:10 AM 7/20/96 -0800, Vinnie Moscaritolo wrote: >Speaking of Bob Hettinga put it to words best, told me that standing on the >Concord bridge he could see the colors of the American flag eminating >outwards to the rest of the country. Yup this is where it all started.. Should teach him not to drink so much in the combat zone in Boston. ]:> --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon "Microsoft -- Nothing but NT promises."

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Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:38 AM 7/20/96 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > >Llywarch Hen writes: >> You have not had the opportunity to look closely at the business end >> of a gun. The hole looks enormous. > >The opening in the barrel of just about every rifle or pistol I've >looked at seems to be about half an inch or less. Perhaps you have >been looking at the 18" guns on the battleship "New Jersey"? There is a time and space dilation when the gun is pointed directly at you and about to be fired. (Been there, done that...) Perception tends to be skewed when all of the adrenaline is pumping into your bloodstream because of a perceived impending death. Believe me, it does look big. A 12 gauge especially... (Had a brother who came close to shooting me because he thought I was a burglar. Not fun.) --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon "Microsoft -- Nothing but NT promises."

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