December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Kellstrom Calls for DT Funding
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:33 PM 7/19/96 -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote: >In a "briefing" on TWA 800 when one of the reporters tossed Big Jim >Kellstrom (Deputy Director in Charge of the New York Office) of the FBI a >softball question about what he needed to fight terrorism; he took the >opportunity to call for full funding of the Digital Telephony Bill. He said >the usual about how bad guys conspire and we need to tap. Too bad these people aren't required to show specific examples where the "bad guys" got away as a result of their failure to be able to do wiretaps. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 18 Jul 96 01:20:16 -0800, tcmay(a)got.net wrote: >I wonder when and how raids in the U.S. moved from the "Come out with your >hands up" verbal announcement (for the cases that needed more than a knock >on the door) to this blast-in-the-doors approach, where the raiders are >dressed in "tactical black" and are wearing black Nomex hoods and carrying >MP-5s and blast any "perp" who looks at them cross-eyed? OTOH, you have to admit that the possibility of being attacked by a (most likely) better armed criminal has bothered many cops - it has to be a rather stresful job. Sadly, they seem to either a) overreact as noted above or b) be led by idiots who order the above... I used to be a fidonet point off of a board run by a cop. He was very reasonable, and unfortunately seemed to be right at the point where he had enough "empowerment" to be blamed but not enough to shine a little common sense into things... Almost like Vietnam - the grunts get shot and ridiculed because the desk-pilots can't make a valid policy. I liked Tom Clancy's description of the CIA: "We have a lot of people who are good at ordering their martninis shaken, not stirred." >As people as diverse as Marine Colonel Jeff Cooper and Watergate felon G. >Gordon Liddy have noted, any black-clad "ninjas" entering a home at 4 a.m. >without clearly announcing themselves are asking for trouble. (Liddy got in >a lot of trouble for calling for "head shots" on rampaging BATFags. >Frankly, I'm not a good enough shot--especially in high-stress >situations--to make head shots with my H & K .45, so I can only hope to >make torso shots.) See, you need to use that computer - automated defense systems. Bet it could do okay with a ballistics module... <g> >least two of them with me. (Interestingly, the same class of folks who want >to ban "military-grade crypto" are also seeking to ban Kevlar vest-piercing >rounds. Fortunately, though KTW ammo is no longer available to "marks" (= >civilians), .45 ACP +P does a pretty good job. Certain +P .357 Magnum What's really funny is that nobody seems to notice that criminals aren't that concerned with breaking laws. I think some people need to go to Dogbert's school of Common Sense... // Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> - Webpages for sale! Se habla JavaScript! // Automatically receive my resume or PGPKEY by sending email with a subject // of 'send PGPKEY' or 'send resume'. Capitalization counts so be careful!

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American People the relation to the Police
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 19:51:39 -0400 > From: Hallam-Baker <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> > Subject: Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids > > The people of the USA fortunately disagree. Its no coincidence that Limbaugh > has been unable to continue his tv show after his coverage of the OKC bombing. > It is not socially acceptable to call for the murder of Police officers in most > countries. By doing so you are discrediting yourself and those who support you. I am a US citizen. My family were French Heugonauts who came here to escape persecution on religious grounds in the late 1590's. One of my ancestors, Rufus Choate, was a lawyer who argued Women Suffrage to the Supreme Court (he lost AFAIK) in the 1890's. I am operating under two premises. First, that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. I am also interpreting it literally, under the assumption that our founding fathers were reasonably intelligent men and knew how to express their intents clearly. It is only our desire to avoid the uncertainty that some of the rights imply (eg speech) as well as the potential damage they might cause that clouds the issues for us. In short the uncertainty in constitutional law comes from us and not the Constitution. I disagree. This country fought two wars of liberation (you forgot about 1812) and a civil war to discredit this thesis in relation to a Democracy founded upon individual liberty. It is no coincidence that the Tree of Liberty needs watered with blood on occasion. It is how the value of human life and the pursuits thereof are measured. The entire point of the Second Amendment to the Constitution is to guarantee that the Federal Government does not have sole access to and use of deadly force. The Militia exists to fight the Federal government and other internal insurrections. The Army and Navy are pointed outward, from a constitutional point any use of these forces inside the border of the United States against US citizens is prohibited. At no point is the military given authority over any civil organization or individuals in the Constitution other than in times of war with declaration of Martial Law. I further contend that without Martial Law being called the current use of the military in civil law enforcement are unconstitutional. I will further contend that various parts of the Constitution clearly show intent on the part of the founding fathers to limit the ability of the Federal government to use force. We should recognize what they seemed to have understood viceraly. All rights stem from an individual being alive. Civilization and Democracy in particular should be to increase the ability of an individual to do this. They also understood that democratic government were entered into by the founders (at least, automatic citizenship clouds this issue down the road) voluntarily and with the clear intent to better their position in the world. To this end the avoidance of the use of violence at all costs short of losing your life is a major plus. The constitutional point is to reduce the need for violence. Revolution and War are not murder unless you lose. This is a basic tenet of civilization. I want to be sure you understand I am NOT calling for the use of force against anyone. I believe the only legitimate use of force is in the immediate and direct threat to ones life. I also think that the majority of our current problems can be resolved by the inclusion of the 9th and 10th Amendment in our legal system. > Do you support the "punishment beatings" performed by the IRA. So far this > year they have committed grievous bodliy harm against 270 people. They have > also murdered 4 people. There have been no deaths from police or army use > of firearms in that period. Your assertion is therefore false. How many of them died? Beaten? And from what? Seems I see a article now and again about somebody getting killed from rubber bullets, tear gas, beatings, etc. from police and other related forces. > If you want to discuss the politics of Ireland you should at least visit the > place. You don't have to fall off a mountain to understand the implications of a fall, understanding does not require direct experience in all cases. > You will find remarkably less sympathy for your romantic visions of > bloodshed amongst the people who have to live with the consequences. The > British people have little sympathy for either side and would quite happily > leave the two sides to slaughter each other if it wasnt for the fact that > the majority of the population wish to remain British and have voted to > remain so in regular referenda and national elections. If true, it doesn't speak very highly of the British people. Jim Choate

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Re: "address verification databases"? (was: Netscape download...)
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 17:53 7/18/96, Peter D. Junger wrote: >With much help from Tom Weinstein and a bit of luck, I have succeeded >in downloading the Linux version. But the time I tried before it >finally worked, I typed in the New York City area code (212) rather >than the Cleveland area code (216) and since I had given them a >Cleveland address and ZIP code, they (the server, that is) said that I >had made an error. So that must be one thing that they check. Despite the ITAR, Netscape's US version is already available from the usual free-world FTP sites. Next time, you might want to get your copy there. BTW, can somebody please tell me why PGP generated *.asc files show up in Netscape as "VRML Worlds"? TIA, -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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RE: Inventor of radio... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Gregory Ellison <gregorye(a)microsoft.com> > Subject: RE: Inventor of radio... > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:02:00 -0700 > > I've heard this decision referred to many times but have been unable to > locate any specifics. Can anyone provide a pointer? You should be able to find it via the patent office webpage. I believe the year was 1985, but I could be wrong. Jim Choate

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Re: Singapore officials censor U.S. newgroup posting
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:00 PM 7/19/96 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >This move by Singapore to censor a newsgroup posting is a good example of >the overbreadth of government censorship. It's a bait-and-switch maneuver: >say you're going after porn but censor "offensive" speech. >The regulations ban contents that "tend to bring the Government into hatred >or contempt," Isn't it too bad governments don't ban THEIR OWN actions which "tend to bring the Government into hatred or contempt"? After all, I think behind every example of "hatred or contempt" for government, you'll find an act by government which caused it. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 20:34:34 -0500 (CDT) > From: ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) > It the voltage is 10000 volts, it is always fatal, right? And if you set > good enough resistors, then the voltage for the human body itself would > be much less than 10000V -- most of the voltage will be taken by resistors > themselves. It depends on several things. It is possible using the right combination of frequency and voltage (ie Tesla Coil) to have literaly millions of volts running over your body with no effect. There is an effect of electricity, The Skin Effect, where as the frequency and voltage rise the actual flow of electrons moves to the outer surface of conductors. There is little or no rf current flowing in the center of the wire. Jim Choate

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[noise] Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:49 PM 7/19/96 -0500, you wrote: >ObCrypto: how about putting an [anti-tank] mine inside your computer. >When ninjas try to get to your files, the computer and [depending on >your bloodthirstiness and load of explosives] ninjas will get >destructed. Has anyone ever done that? Sounds like an interesting way to secure a remailer. (Especially against Scientology raids. "This remailer will self-destruct in five seconds." *BOOM*) There was a case locally where some idiot booby-trapped his cache of weapons and explosives. Seemed a wee bit self-defeating. (Blew all of his explosives all over the place when it finally went off. No one was hurt, but it spread grenades and other choice bits all over the place.) The local kids got alot of souveneers out of that one... <PSA>For more information on these and other ultimate chaotic acts, check out _Agent of Chaos_ by Norman Spinrad. This and other books of an anarchist nature are available from your local library.</PSA> --- |"Computers are Voodoo -- You just have to know where to stick the pins."| |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Re: Responding to Pre-daw
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-=> Quoting In:hua@chromatic.com to Harka <=- > > If you want to own guns then you should accept the fact that you risk > > having your head blown off in the middle of the night by a SWAT team. > > Just as the car has introduced the risk of being killed in a trafic > > accident the gun has introduced new risks. If society dosen't like the > > risks then it can opt to ban the technology. > > Except that getting killed in a traffic accident IS an accident (mostly :) > while having black clad Fed's storming into your house was _consciously_ > decided by them, because THEY have a problem with YOUR guns (?!)... In> I think the original point was that they MIGHT storm into your house In> by mistake (say, because they incorrectly accepted a informant's In> story). Therefore, it is truly a mistake. Well, not really. It would be severe case of neglegence which is not the same as a mistake. When you drive, you have to prove that you know what you are doing by getting a driver's licence. If you are a SWAT guy and some informer would come along and say "This and that person is a terrorist, I know for sure" and you go into that house and shoot everything that moves, well, doesn't sound much like an accident to me... Harka ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]

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Don't "Rush" to Judgment
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:51 PM 7/19/96, Hallam-Baker wrote: >The people of the USA fortunately disagree. Its no coincidence that Limbaugh >has been unable to continue his tv show after his coverage of the OKC bombing. Gee, Phill, you might want to hire a new fact-checker, >From the latest issue I have of the Usenet Limbaugh Newsletter: "LIMBAUGH WATCH "July 16, 1996 - It's now 1336 days after Bill Clinton's election, but Rush is still on the air with 650 radio affiliates (with more than 20 million listeners weekly world-wide), 234 TV affiliates, and a newsletter with more than 500,000 subscribers." If you simply make up your facts, say so. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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