December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: CryptoAnarchy: What's wrong with this picture?
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"s1113645(a)tesla.cc.uottawa.ca" 29-APR-1996 02:04:15.24 To: IN%"EALLENSMITH(a)mbcl.rutgers.edu" "E. ALLEN SMITH" CC: IN%"cypherpunks(a)toad.com" Subj: RE: CryptoAnarchy: What's wrong with this picture? Received: from tesla.cc.uottawa.ca by mbcl.rutgers.edu (PMDF #12194) id <01I43C5TODPC8WWL2O(a)mbcl.rutgers.edu>; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 23:12 EDT Received: by tesla.cc.uottawa.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25041; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 23:17:36 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 23:17:36 -0400 (EDT) From: s1113645(a)tesla.cc.uottawa.ca Subject: RE: CryptoAnarchy: What's wrong with this picture? In-reply-to: <01I43B16HT2U8Y53CU(a)mbcl.rutgers.edu> Sender: s1113645(a)tesla.cc.uottawa.ca To: "E. ALLEN SMITH" <EALLENSMITH(a)mbcl.rutgers.edu> Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Reply-to: s1113645(a)tesla.cc.uottawa.ca Message-id: <Pine.3.89.9604282225.B28833-0100000(a)tesla.cc.uottawa.ca> X-Envelope-to: EALLENSMITH Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 On Sun, 28 Apr 1996, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote: >> Currently, yes... but the divide between rich and poor is growing. >> (So long as this divide is determined by merit, and the poor still have >> enough to survive, I'd call this a good trend. So would various other >> people on this list, perhaps without my caveats.) In other words, the >> middle class is going >I agree with your caveat. It's where the anarchists get me skeptical. The poor still having enough to survive is the most significant reason I'm not an anarcho-capitalist. There are a few others, but that's the main one. >Someone sent me some US income tax figures. It would seem that the vast >majority of personal taxes are paid by the rich and high-end upper-middle. >So I'll eat my words and agree with you, talking about the rich makes >quite a bit of sense. I sort of do wonder how many of those "corporations" >are small businesses and individuals working as companies. Time for me to >go find a national stats book. Despite its agreeing with my point (thank you), I'm not sure if I'd consider income taxes to be enough of the story to go by them alone. Federal level, yes; state & local, probably not. I am willing to bet that property taxes are mainly paid by the relatively wealthy, given how much of personal capital tends to get tied up in a home. Sales taxes are more evenly distributed. However, the economic changes I discuss should result in this becoming true, even if it might not be completely true currently. >Of course only talking about the rich makes things so much easier. Yes. In a capitalist society based on merit, the rich are the ones who matter in the long run. -Allen

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info
by Alexis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can anyone help me out or tutor me in Hacking, phreaking, cracking, and cryptography, I know that you need to know all for to become a good hacker, I also heard that you guys don't mind teaching others. THanks Alexis.

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17 Dec '03

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STEL b5 released
by cert-it＠dsi.unimi.it 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- STEL beta5 has been released. 1. WHAT IS STEL? STEL is a free telnet surrogate which provides strong mutual authentication, encryption, secure file transfer, automatic s/Key password generation, centralization and management of s/Key passwords and more. 2. WHERE IS STEL AVAILABLE? STEL is available as: ftp://idea.sec.dsi.unimi.it/cert-it/stel.tar.gz Please note that ftp.dsi.unimi.it is not supporting security stuff anymore. All the security archive has been moved to idea.sec.dsi.unimi.it. 3. WHAT IS THE STATUS OF STEL? The latest version of STEL is beta 5. It has been (quite) extensively tested on the following systems: hpux sunos4 solaris24 solaris25 irix linux aix It has been reported to work (but no testing) on: ultrix freebsd bsdi Bug reports, comments and suggestions should be sent to: stel-authors(a)idea.sec.dsi.unimi.it - -- ******************************************************** ******** Computer Emergency Response Team ITALY ******** ******************************************************** E-mail: cert-it(a)idea.dsi.unimi.it Mailing list: unix-security-request(a)idea.sec.dsi.unimi.it Ftp: ftp://idea.sec.dsi.unimi.it WWW: http://idea.sec.dsi.unimi.it - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3 mQBNAi1eowgAAAECAOTEMFRZHfBb+ndAmdk3vl20EpynEWwB3ZJo/ocZUXgSjBKS op11p19WyyTV9eW2Sosu9GoC4i7VLDiuFRfmKZUABRG0HkNFUlQtSVQgPGNlcnQt aXRAZHNpLnVuaW1pLml0PokAVQIFEC1epVbakBlHrAS41wEBnskB/iXnREAs044y ngOa8uJtYwFaDKc15GUKx9VV2klikcoWKPgaD6WjFs82HmdY86IQL2bFTi8FTKS2 2auGllxW2zaJAJUCBRAtXqV3kbMTtv2Q670BAccAA/sFW+OVkfr8FnClSAlD7fQc /PL0y8qDF4hYx3tIw1utM5zRGlti+KIOpuUIkQpIX4j8f9lIe/cihL5rlusQFsX4 d7cEJWW8GUM3+/mv89jM0ds6IX9KjfJAQPvPFr5rlRgmHdVm9K4ugCTkOzGsv1E4 o5+ZCN5dJW0+EbmjoghwoA== =WPYC - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBMY4wESw4rhUX5imVAQFs1gIAuYqr5IAWRoFQzm71sWdBJCOKTCq/G4ti eucdKJ+5FlmyeQUavWseepozKF019KXElfoHkDVdjl8bnyhFIm7u1w== =nQd0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: alias servers (al la alias.c2.org)
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"des(a)juno.com" 27-APR-1996 04:36:45.71 >On Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Black Unicorn ><unicorn(a)schloss.li> writes: >>Is anyone besides c2.org running an alias server? >There's a few of them - nym.gondolin.org, nym.alias.net, and >alias.alias.net are the others that leap to mind just now. >Of course, having just previewed the Juno "free-email" >service, I might count it also. How much information do they actually want, and how much do they check? I seem to recall that they wanted some info for giving to the advertisers and for targeting the advertising. -Allen

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Anonymous info
by admin＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You have requested information about your account at anon.penet.fi. Your code name is: <FAILED(a)anon.penet.fi> Your real e-mail address is: <cypherpunks(a)toad.com: not found> Your nickname is: <> Your password is: <> Regards, admin(a)anon.penet.fi

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Re: Why I Pay Too Much in Taxes
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:49 PM 5/6/96 EDT, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote: >From: IN%"frissell(a)panix.com" "Duncan Frissell" 5-MAY-1996 08:56:32.33 > >>Even though the population of those who regularly violate federal tax laws >>is smaller (20 million?) the records show that even for this population the >>odds of being convicted are approximately the odds of being murdered. > > However, are you controlling for level of income? The IRS is a lot >more worried about TCMay committing tax fraud than they are about me committing >tax fraud; my income taxes are a lot closer to 0 than his. > -Allen > Actually, as a percentage of income, tax evasion is probably more prevalent among the poor than the rich. Because they are less exposed. Studies of spending show that the poorest 20% of Americans spend twice their reported income. DCF

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Re: Why I Pay Too Much in Taxes
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"frissell(a)panix.com" "Duncan Frissell" 5-MAY-1996 08:56:32.33 >Even though the population of those who regularly violate federal tax laws >is smaller (20 million?) the records show that even for this population the >odds of being convicted are approximately the odds of being nurdered. However, are you controlling for level of income? The IRS is a lot more worried about TCMay committing tax fraud than they are about me committing tax fraud; my income taxes are a lot closer to 0 than his. -Allen

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Re: Why I Pay Too Much in Taxes
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"frissell(a)panix.com" "Duncan Frissell" 6-MAY-1996 16:04:24.96 >Actually, as a percentage of income, tax evasion is probably more prevalent >among the poor than the rich. Because they are less exposed. Studies of >spending show that the poorest 20% of Americans spend twice their reported >income. Quite. The poor can get away with this for multiple reasons, including being on more of a cash-based economy. But the largest reason is probably that the IRS doesn't care nearly as much about each individual at the low end of the income ladder as they do about any evasion involving a lot of money. Now, the low end tax evasion probably costs the government a lot more than the rich does... but it's also a lot harder to pursue. -Allen

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Re: Why Leahy is No Friend of Ours
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"attila(a)primenet.com" "attila" 5-MAY-1996 21:36:54.93 > how many _truly_ "populist" presidents have we elected? Given the numbers of times that a democracy has done more harm than good to civil liberties (Prohibition, the election of Islamic Fundamentalists in Algeria, etcetera), we don't _want_ a "populist"/demagogue president. We want someone in charge (to whatever degree that someone has to be in charge) who will respect civil liberties. The masses aren't going to elect such a person; they prefer protection to liberty and always will. > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little > temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > --Ben Franklin (Historical Review of PA -1759) > > and, the bottom line is: > > "It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen > from falling into error; > it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government > from falling into error." > --Robert H. Jackson (1892-1954), U.S. Judge Quite. -Allen

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