December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:10 PM 7/7/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >(As Sandy S. also noted, Ritalin has "paradoxical" effects. (I saw Sandy's >remark after sending off my reply to Simon.)) > >I've _seen_ the kid on Ritalin, and he's zombie. When it wears off, he's >back to being alert and active. Stimulants tend to have an odd effect on children. Instead of making them more active, they tend to do just the opposite. (My daughter used to have that problem with caffiene. Used to put her to sleep.) This makes the situation even more scary, considering how little is known about the brain chemistry of growing children. I am expecting the long term effects of these drugs will be "interesting". (And not in a good way.) I know a woman who was tranq'ed as a kid. She is nice and sweet, cannot dream at all, and is a total and unrepentant sociopath. Your results may vary. --- |"Computers are Voodoo -- You just have to know where to stick the pins."| |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Exciting News on Music Boulevard
by owner-mblvd＠telebase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:14 PM 7/7/96, Simon Spero wrote: >On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, Timothy C. May wrote: >> >> When the mother (a single mother, as this is California) drops her son off >> with my friend (also single, of course), she includes several "Ritalin" >> capsules with instructions on how to dose her son with this >> depressant/behavior modification drug. > >Er... Tim... Ritalin is an amphetamine. Whatever. It acts as a calmant/tranquilizer/depressant on many. (As with many drugs, there are apparently paradoxical effects. Alcohol is a downer for some, and upper for others.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:06 PM 7/7/96, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >Simon Spero <ses(a)tipper.oit.unc.edu> writes: >> Er... Tim... Ritalin is an amphetamine. > >Yes, it's an _anti-depressant, supposedly turning up those pieces of the brain >responsible for "tuning out" outside interference, and letting the hyperactive >kid concentrate. But a true cypherpunk never lets any facts interfere with his >political agenda. Vulis, time to put you back in my killfile. Gratuitous insults, especially those not based on important factual points, is your standard mode. (As Sandy S. also noted, Ritalin has "paradoxical" effects. (I saw Sandy's remark after sending off my reply to Simon.)) I've _seen_ the kid on Ritalin, and he's zombie. When it wears off, he's back to being alert and active. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: NYT/CyberTimes on CWD article
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 6 Jul 96 at 16:56, eli+(a)gs160.sp.cs.cmu.edu wrote: > >http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/0706patrol-reporters.html > > "If we believe the encryption scheme has > > been compromised, we will make another > > one." [..] > They have to give you the list, and they have to give you software > that uses it, so there's no way to achieve complete secrecy. I think > the best they can do is to distribute a list of hashed URLs. What? After they paid for the rights to use "Infinite Vigniere Key" Technology.... I'm surprised that they went so far as to try to encrypt the naughty URLs list (but some kids would get off on just reading the list alone anyway). Hashing could be problematic... how to differentiate between a site and it's users. www.pornopix.com is obvious, but the directory tree of www.localisp.com/~perv/mypix/ is harder to filter out with hashing if subdirectories or specific images are called up, unless the software has a way to differentiate between sites and specific users or directories on those sites. (I wonder if the software can tell that ~perv/ and /users/home/perv/ or /home/perv/ can be the same directory on some systems? That would be an interesting flaw. Has anyone hacked with the software?) Another problematic with Net-Nurse type software: a database of naughty sites and naughty users... a real goldmine for prosecutors. Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Oh no! No ratings again... (Re: Need PGP-awareness in common uti
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 6 Jul 96 at 23:16, bryce(a)digicash.com wrote: > If you have a moderation bot for a Usenet group (and could it be > pressed into service as a mailing list handler I wonder?), this > would be a nice tool to start with in order to implement > full-fledged content/author ratings. [..] Bad idea unless the list is rating authors who are not on the list. It would be equivalent to setting up a reputation web. Or is this a stab at humor? Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Re: Need PGP-awareness in common utilities
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 6 Jul 96 at 23:56, bryce(a)digicash.com wrote: [..] > Hm. That might be an interesting addition to my plan, but the > first step is to generate ratings and to consume them at each > individual's mail-handling site. So I, for example, would run a > script every time I received mail (or every hour, or every day, > etc) which looked for ratings certificates, PGP-verified them, > and saved the rating in a database. Then I would run another > script (every time I received mail, or every hour, etc.) which > identified incoming messages and _did_ something to them if > there were sufficient ratings in the database to merit _doing_ > something to them (e.g. delete, promote to a "well-rated" > folder, demote to a "poorly-rated" folder, forward to my > friends, forward to my enemies, etc.). Some lists require plenty of time to read each day (let alone if I go on a vacation for a few days and want to catch up). Managing a rating system would double the work if I were to do it by hand-rating the raters, etc. It's easier to put certain people or subject threads in a twit-list folder and delete the rest by hand rather than put twice that effort into a rating system... chances are most people who quickly tire of maintaining it, let the rating system run on autopilot and then disable it when they realize they missed something really important or interesting. Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Wiretapping Rises EYE_son
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Wash Post today has page one lead story on the sharp rise in wiretapping by the Clinton administration. Former restraints due to high cost have been overcome with more money and more efficeint technology, eagerly supported by a bipartisan Congress and grateful LEA and DoJ cartelest conspiracists. And, there is a lengthy Op-Ed on the "growing stealth slice of the shrinking defense pie." Lots and lots of secrets, can't get enough of them, can't tell the public what they are, about real and imaginary terrorists and anti-terrorists -- and bypass the private citizens that threaten budgets and jobs and inner sanctum privileges. See at: http://www.washingtonpost.com No Web access? Or hate snooping newspapers, and spies traffic-analyzing? Send us via Ross Anderson's true anonymizer end-to-end encrypted spize-only top secret E-mail with the subject: EYE_son

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by minow＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Simon Spero comments on Tim May's Ritalin rant: >On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, Timothy C. May wrote: >> >> When the mother (a single mother, as this is California) drops her son off >> with my friend (also single, of course), she includes several "Ritalin" >> capsules with instructions on how to dose her son with this >> depressant/behavior modification drug. > >Er... Tim... Ritalin is an amphetamine. > Yup, and it was the illegal drug of choice in Sweden in the 1960's, making its use as a convenient way to quiet down rambuncious kids a bit strange -- but the "medical professionals" have an explanation. Interestingly, it is illegal to hit kids in Sweden -- the courts call it assault, just as if you hit an adult. When I lived there (in the '60 and '70s), I took an informal survey and found only one person who had ever been spanked as a child -- and only once, for breaking her brother's violin. A good friend would infrequently give her infant a pat on the bottom (when he tried climbing on the stove), but was always careful to aim for the well-padded diaper. You may wish to consider whether Sweden's low murder rate is related to the lack of parent-child violence. Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by Michael Myers 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:25 AM 7/7/96 -0700, Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl.com> wrote: >Yes, normally, but doesn't it have a paradoxical reaction for >hyperactive children (i.e., it acts as a depressant for them)? As one of those "ADD" kids back in the '70's, the dextroamphetamine I was given actually did seem to calm me down. Of course, coffee also put me to sleep then. Happily, that situation has reversed itself as I've grown older. *grin* -- /^^^^^^^^^Instead of being born again, why not just GROW UP?^^^^^^^^^^^\ Michael Myers Vote Libertarian....you'll sleep better! Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Don't like guns? Don't buy one. blackavr(a)aa.net E-mail for PGPv2.6.2 public key \____________ http://www.aa.net/~blackavr/homepage.htm ________________/

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