December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: I Treat All My Enemies Equally
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Blanc, taking on the million monkeys repeatedly typing, "Is too!"--"Is Not!", wrote: > I was thinking about those who have expressed a lack of concern for > the unfortunate mixture of the guilty & innocent in a close encounter with > a destructive device. I was thinking that people who aren't careful > about such differences make of themselves an enemy to all, because who can > tell what they're supporting and whose lives they really value, since > anyone at all could become their victim. What I see being expressed is not so much a lack of concern for those caught up unwittingly in the war between the government and its citizens as it is a debate over the comparative level of guilt or responsibility that the warring factions should bear for the end results of their actions. There has also been some debate as to the right of an individual to make decisions which will affect the lives of those who will be involved only by happenstance. Blanc brings up an excellent point; namely, that those who choose to take drastic action risk striking out randomly and maliciously at everybody if they do not consider the nature of their target and the amount of risk to peripheral participants in the event. From all accounts, McVeigh's actions were purposeful and directed at a target which he deemed suited to his purpose. Whether one agrees or disagrees with the perceived "innocent" body count will probably play a large amount in their support or non-support of his actions. > The fact of the matter is that those in the > middle must find a way to protect themselves from whatever weapon or > vehicle of destruction comes around, whatever its source. This is the way it is in all conflicts. Part of the current reason for the widespread disillusionment with government and the resulting animosity towards our rulers is the fact that those in the middle of the government's war on freedom and privacy don't see themselves as being involved in a war until it affects them personally. When those in the middle have their lives affected by those who take countermeasures against the government, then their view of his actions will be affected by whether or not they have had their car confiscated for possession of a single joint, or whether or not they are facing imprisonment for plugging a parking meter. Some of those who lost loved ones in the OKC bombing are involved in fighting the government to have a *real* investigation into what happened. No doubt some of them will come out of the whole process with much more disgust for the government than for McVeigh. > So, for instance, if Whitfield Diffie and PhilZ were walking into a Federal > building in OK City, and I saw some cypherpunk not too far away getting > ready to blow it up, well, I guess I'd have to kill him. (Dirty Harry > saying: "feel lucky today, cpunk?"). It's good to see that you've given this some thought. It is important to personalize one's thoughts and actions in order to keep from getting caught up in the mass-hysteria that surrounds such issues. History has recorded many instances of people who had to decide if they could attack a building that contained friends, compatriots, or loved ones in furtherance of their purpose. (Or make the decision to place themself inside an area targeted by their own cause.) While I would defend McVeigh from those who dismiss his actions out of hand, with no thought of the culpability of the government and the average citizen, I downloaded pictures of some of the children who were maimed by the OKC bombing and I use them to avoid forgetting that there is personal tragedy involved in such an action. The fact remains that the more the government violates the freedom and privacy of their citizens, then the more the citizens will strike back in their own chosen way. The final tragedy of the OKC bombing is the lack of reckoning demanded by the citizens of their government for the growing disdain of the rights of the citizens that has led to so many feeling disenfranchised by their rulers. Nobody is voting for disenfranchisement; nobody is voting to have their privacy invaded and their freedom violated; nobody is voting to have the government take their money and enrich those in power. Yet still, the onslaught of government control and intrusion into every area of our lives continues. Blanc makes some excellent points about the average citizen being caught in a ping-pong crossfire in the conflict between government and anti-government forces. However, as I said, this is in the nature of conflict and the citizen's best option may be to make a daily effort to resist the government oppression, no matter how small it may seem in any instance. To borrow an analogy from another thread, if the government spams enough cypherpunks with a few Kilobytes here and there, they will eventually raise the ire of a Rick Osborne enough that he will send them back a few Gigabytes in return. And if Ross Wright's computer gets caught in the crossfire... TruthMonger

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Embrace the Dark Side
by Shift Control 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Z is for Zoomorphic Y is for Young Frankenstein X is for X-mal Deutschland W is for Witch V is for Vampire U is for Undead T is for Terror S is for Sex Gang Children R is for Rat Q is for Quinine P is for Poe O is for Obsession N is for Nosferatu M is for Murnau L is for Lycanthropy K is for Karloff J is for Jack the Ripper I is for Incubus H is for Hammer G is for Gargoyle F is for Frankenstein E is for Evil D is for Dracula C is for The Cramps B is for Baudelaire A is for Absinthe Shift Control is for all things Gothic Shift Control awaits you at www.shiftcontrol.com Be swift, dear friend, for tomorrow may be too late Shift Control is produced by the Guardian's New Media Lab with help from Boddingtons and Stella Artois Dry To unsubscribe from this mailing list send e-mail to shiftcontrol-request(a)nml.guardian.co.uk with the following text in the body of the mail message: unsubscribe

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Essential Legislation Passes!!!
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: Sampler: May 16 Date: Fri, 16 May 97 00:30:02 PDT From: sampler-request(a)lmboyd.com Do your dentures, if any, have your social security number marked on them? Three states, at last report, required that by law. Montana, Illinois and Minnesota. ToothMonger

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*Satellite TV*
by satellittvad＠norway.it.earthlink.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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eternity-lite & cancel msgs
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One issue with the system is that censors will issue cancel messages for the articles. Not too much which can be done about this. Some trends tend to help this problem: Cancel message abuse by people running cancel bots reflecting their censorous views have resulted in some sites ignoring cancel messages. PGPmoose provides a better method of allowing only the author to cancel. Or NoCEM provides a ratings system framework, which is superior to using cancels. Another aspect of the system is that it relies on news archival services such as dejanews and altavista; these presumably don't listen to cancel messages for already archived data (? guessing here). The archive maintainers presumably don't want to get involved in disputes over which old articles should be purged from their archive anyway. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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New Encryption Code
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠bxl.dg13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reuters News published on Thu May 8 the following: (extracts only) >IBM Researchers devise new encryption code snip >Encryption products, which scramble information and render >it unreadable without a password or software "key", have >become an increasingly important component of global >communications and online commerce over the Internet. >"This is a pioneering accomplishment in the field of >cryptography and a big step toward the ultimate in >cryptography -- a truly invincible mathematically >proven method for protecting private computer >information from unwanted viewing," said Ashok >Chandra, a manager of computer science at IBM's >Almaden Research Center in San Jose, Calif. >The system was invented by computer scientists Miklos >Ajtai and Cynthia Dwork of IBM's Almaden lab. snip The complete message disappeard the other day and my follow up investigations failed. Does somebody have more information than what was given in the message by Reuters. Theodor Schlickmann

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Re: your mail
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: "Liten rolig historia (fwd)" (fwd) Nothing wrong in being superstitious... > > READ THIS MESSAGE AND PASS IT ON.... > > A man takes the day off work and decides to go out golfing. He is > > on the second hole when he notices a frog sitting next to the green. > > He thinks nothing of it and is about to shoot when he hears, > > "Ribbit. 9 Iron" The man looks around and doesn't see anyone. > > "Ribbit. 9 Iron." He looks at the frog and decides to prove the > > frog wrong, puts his other club away, and grabs a 9 iron. Boom! he > > hits it 10 inches from the cup. He is shocked. He says to the frog, > > "Wow that's amazing. You must be a lucky frog, eh?" The frog reply's > > "Ribbit. Lucky frog." The man decides to take the frog with him to > > the next hole. "What do you think frog?" the man asks. "Ribbit. 3 > > wood." The guy takes out a 3 wood and Boom! Hole in one. The man is > > befuddled and doesn't know what to say. By the end of the day, the > > man golfed the best game of golf in his life and asks the frog,"OK > > where to next?" The frog replied, "Ribbit. Las Vegas." They go to > > Las Vegas and the guy says, "OK frog, now what?" The frog says, > > "Ribbit Roulette." Upon approaching the roulette table, the man > > asks," What do you think I should bet?" The frog replies, "Ribbit. > > $3000,black 6." Now, this is a million-to-one shot to win, but after > > the golf game, the man figures what the heck. Boom! Tons of cash > > comes sliding back across the table. The man takes his winnings and > > buys the best room in the hotel. He sits the frog down and says, > > "Frog, I don't know how to repay you. You've won me all this money > > and I am forever grateful." The frog replies, "Ribbit, Kiss Me." He > > figures why not, since after all the frog did for him he deserves > > it. With a kiss, the frog turns into a gorgeous 14-year-old girl. > > "And that, your honor, is how the girl ended up in my room." > > > > The origination of this letter is unknown, but it brings good > > luck to everyone who passes it on. The one who breaks the chain > > will have bad luck. Do not keep this letter. Do not send money. > > Just forward it to five of your friends to whom you wish good luck. > > You will see that something good happens to you four days from now > > if the chain is not broken. You will receive good luck in four > > days.

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Re: your mail
by nobody＠hidden.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: "Liten rolig historia (fwd)" (fwd) Nothing wrong in being superstitious... > > READ THIS MESSAGE AND PASS IT ON.... > > A man takes the day off work and decides to go out golfing. He is > > on the second hole when he notices a frog sitting next to the green. > > He thinks nothing of it and is about to shoot when he hears, > > "Ribbit. 9 Iron" The man looks around and doesn't see anyone. > > "Ribbit. 9 Iron." He looks at the frog and decides to prove the > > frog wrong, puts his other club away, and grabs a 9 iron. Boom! he > > hits it 10 inches from the cup. He is shocked. He says to the frog, > > "Wow that's amazing. You must be a lucky frog, eh?" The frog reply's > > "Ribbit. Lucky frog." The man decides to take the frog with him to > > the next hole. "What do you think frog?" the man asks. "Ribbit. 3 > > wood." The guy takes out a 3 wood and Boom! Hole in one. The man is > > befuddled and doesn't know what to say. By the end of the day, the > > man golfed the best game of golf in his life and asks the frog,"OK > > where to next?" The frog replied, "Ribbit. Las Vegas." They go to > > Las Vegas and the guy says, "OK frog, now what?" The frog says, > > "Ribbit Roulette." Upon approaching the roulette table, the man > > asks," What do you think I should bet?" The frog replies, "Ribbit. > > $3000,black 6." Now, this is a million-to-one shot to win, but after > > the golf game, the man figures what the heck. Boom! Tons of cash > > comes sliding back across the table. The man takes his winnings and > > buys the best room in the hotel. He sits the frog down and says, > > "Frog, I don't know how to repay you. You've won me all this money > > and I am forever grateful." The frog replies, "Ribbit, Kiss Me." He > > figures why not, since after all the frog did for him he deserves > > it. With a kiss, the frog turns into a gorgeous 14-year-old girl. > > "And that, your honor, is how the girl ended up in my room." > > > > The origination of this letter is unknown, but it brings good > > luck to everyone who passes it on. The one who breaks the chain > > will have bad luck. Do not keep this letter. Do not send money. > > Just forward it to five of your friends to whom you wish good luck. > > You will see that something good happens to you four days from now > > if the chain is not broken. You will receive good luck in four > > days.

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Another Bell related raid
by Alan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is from the Oregonian May 16th, 1997 page B3 under the Vancouver section. 2nd home raided in probe of anti-government activities A team of federal agents, led by IRS internal security personnel, raided a home at 711 W. 20th St. Thursday morning. The raid apperently is a continuation of an investigation into the activities of James D. Bell, whose McLaughlin Heights home at 7214 Corregidor Road was raided April 1st. The 20th Street home is occupied by Robert W. West, who was not home when the raid occured. A federal agent who answered his phone during the search refused to say what the agents were seeking. The search warrent application and affidavit is under seal by a federal court in Tacoma. In the affidavit for the search warrent for Bell's home, IRS Special Investigator Jeff Gordon alledged that Bell was "directly solicting others to set up a system to murder government officials." Bell is the author of a 10-part essay called "Assassination Politics," which has been widely circulated on the Internet, particularly in anti-government forums. After the raid, agents made no other public statements.

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Re: your mail
by nobody＠hidden.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: "Liten rolig historia (fwd)" (fwd) Nothing wrong in being superstitious... > > READ THIS MESSAGE AND PASS IT ON.... > > A man takes the day off work and decides to go out golfing. He is > > on the second hole when he notices a frog sitting next to the green. > > He thinks nothing of it and is about to shoot when he hears, > > "Ribbit. 9 Iron" The man looks around and doesn't see anyone. > > "Ribbit. 9 Iron." He looks at the frog and decides to prove the > > frog wrong, puts his other club away, and grabs a 9 iron. Boom! he > > hits it 10 inches from the cup. He is shocked. He says to the frog, > > "Wow that's amazing. You must be a lucky frog, eh?" The frog reply's > > "Ribbit. Lucky frog." The man decides to take the frog with him to > > the next hole. "What do you think frog?" the man asks. "Ribbit. 3 > > wood." The guy takes out a 3 wood and Boom! Hole in one. The man is > > befuddled and doesn't know what to say. By the end of the day, the > > man golfed the best game of golf in his life and asks the frog,"OK > > where to next?" The frog replied, "Ribbit. Las Vegas." They go to > > Las Vegas and the guy says, "OK frog, now what?" The frog says, > > "Ribbit Roulette." Upon approaching the roulette table, the man > > asks," What do you think I should bet?" The frog replies, "Ribbit. > > $3000,black 6." Now, this is a million-to-one shot to win, but after > > the golf game, the man figures what the heck. Boom! Tons of cash > > comes sliding back across the table. The man takes his winnings and > > buys the best room in the hotel. He sits the frog down and says, > > "Frog, I don't know how to repay you. You've won me all this money > > and I am forever grateful." The frog replies, "Ribbit, Kiss Me." He > > figures why not, since after all the frog did for him he deserves > > it. With a kiss, the frog turns into a gorgeous 14-year-old girl. > > "And that, your honor, is how the girl ended up in my room." > > > > The origination of this letter is unknown, but it brings good > > luck to everyone who passes it on. The one who breaks the chain > > will have bad luck. Do not keep this letter. Do not send money. > > Just forward it to five of your friends to whom you wish good luck. > > You will see that something good happens to you four days from now > > if the chain is not broken. You will receive good luck in four > > days.

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