December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Spam IS Free Speech
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ross Wright wrote: > > Gander. Goose. > > Right. If I send you a gig, you send me a gig. If I send you a meg > you send me a meg. A few bytes for a few bytes. Are you following > what has upset me about this issue, yet? Like for Like, Goose, > Gander. You said it, but you don't mean it. Pardon me. Gander. Humongous fucking goose. > Right? You are saying if I send you one message, you have the right > to mail bomb me? There's no parity there. All's fair in love and Penis War. Your argument seems to center around the theme that those who dick everyone a little have no right to expect to be repaid in lump (pardon the pun) sum. You neglect to point out that those who use technology to send spam to millions of random addresses go to great pains to prevent those who receive their crapola from replying to the source of the spam. The fact is, anyone who chooses to return their crap in kind has my personal proxy to send them my share, as well. I am certain that if you take a poll on this you will find a few million others who will also give them this proxy. Penis Warrior

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Re: Anonymous Remailers
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > Further, a clever little fix is to make one's own remailer site a link in > the chain. All a snooping subset of remailers can do is trace the message > back to your own remailers. Obviously, they can't know if the message was > merely _remailed_ through your site, or _originated_ there. Thus, including > oneself as a remailer also provides excellent plausible deniability.) This is a lame idea with no merit whatsoever. TruthMonger

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Re: Response to "SAFE bill and cutting crypto-deals"
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan McCullagh wrote: > > Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 01:56:20 -0400 > From: Jason Gull <jgull(a)UMICH.EDU> > > We already have federal laws > which make the use of a telephone or the mails to commit a felony into an > additional offense, so this provision -- quite similar to obstruction of > evidence, from the look of it -- doesn't seem at odds with precedent. Precedent concerns citing the fact that the citizens are already getting fucked with a 2" Green Dildo, so therefore there is a precedent for them to get fucked with 2" Blue Dildos. > Granted, > there's the danger of the "slippery slope" -- that allowing any > restrictions on crypto will lead to a gradual encroachment of government > into other uses of cryptography. I've never seen a 2" Government Dildo that didn't grow in an expoential manner every time a Congressperson farted. > However, whether or not it is a good > idea or not, politics and previosu law seem to firmly support such a > provision. I'll rush right out and inform Che Guava and the Posse Comatose. When Dr. Roberts is done helping Kent get the stick out of his butt, perhaps he can do something about your cataracts. Del Do

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Re: Just Say "No" to Congress
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > anyone who disbelieves in the authority of the US government > yet sends them their tax money is a hypocrite. Horseshit. That's no different from saying that anyone who disbelieves in the authority of armed robbers yet gives them their wallet is a hypocrite. Do you actually put any thought into your posts? TruthMonger

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Re: Anonymous Remailers
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > Lucky, since I am considered contemptible by several c'punks, I worry > about them more than I would about foreign intelligence agents. Not contemptible, just an easy target to be used for sighting one's scope in preparation for attending to more sophisticated targets. I find many of your canned-brain arguments hilarious but they do seem useful for fodder for aspiring anarchists to use as a foil for their development. Anonymous Coward (Noel's older brother.)

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PGPMail keets tabs on you!
by geeman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

... This is from the log file that pgp keeps on my machine, \WINDOWS\PGPWS_32.LOG. There appears to be a lot of interesting information here: -- I did not encrypt with IDEA only -- the recipients of the message I sent are shown along with the public key IDs -- The SIZE of the message! I have obfuscated some of the details from the actual log. The "?"s indicate removed details. =========== LOG: ============ Passphrase from caller = FALSE | if (SignIt && IDEAOnly && IDEAPassphrase && IDEAPassphrase[0] != '\0') | IDEA Passphrase from caller = FALSE | if (PublicKeyRingName && PublicKeyRingName[0] != '\0') | PublicKeyRingName string pointer is NULL or PublicKeyRingName is an empty string. Using default public keyring name. | if (PrivateKeyRingName && PrivateKeyRingName[0] != '\0') | PrivateKeyRingName string pointer is NULL or PrivateKeyRingName is an empty string. Using default private keyring name. | Recipient List: | Key ID: 0x???????? | PGP Options String eat | Encrypt Buffer Message | PGP Options Parm: eat | MyNameParm: | Keyring Name Parm: | File name for encrypt, sign, and/or armor: InputBufferLength = ?????? | Found without enough validating sigs:1 | Key for user ID:Remail <???(a)???.???> | Additional ID:Remailer <???(a)???.???> | bit size:1024 Key ID:????????created:12/13/1992 | Warning: Because this public key is not certified with a trusted signature, it is not known with high confidence that this public key actually belongs to:Remail <???(a)???.???> Are you sure you want to use this public key? | User Replied: Yes | Open Data Out; Output Buffer | OutputBufferLength = ?????? | OutputDataLength = ?????? | Transport armor file: | Kernel return value is: 0 |

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Re: I Treat All My Enemies Equally
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Blanc, taking on the million monkeys repeatedly typing, "Is too!"--"Is Not!", wrote: > I was thinking about those who have expressed a lack of concern for > the unfortunate mixture of the guilty & innocent in a close encounter with > a destructive device. I was thinking that people who aren't careful > about such differences make of themselves an enemy to all, because who can > tell what they're supporting and whose lives they really value, since > anyone at all could become their victim. What I see being expressed is not so much a lack of concern for those caught up unwittingly in the war between the government and its citizens as it is a debate over the comparative level of guilt or responsibility that the warring factions should bear for the end results of their actions. There has also been some debate as to the right of an individual to make decisions which will affect the lives of those who will be involved only by happenstance. Blanc brings up an excellent point; namely, that those who choose to take drastic action risk striking out randomly and maliciously at everybody if they do not consider the nature of their target and the amount of risk to peripheral participants in the event. From all accounts, McVeigh's actions were purposeful and directed at a target which he deemed suited to his purpose. Whether one agrees or disagrees with the perceived "innocent" body count will probably play a large amount in their support or non-support of his actions. > The fact of the matter is that those in the > middle must find a way to protect themselves from whatever weapon or > vehicle of destruction comes around, whatever its source. This is the way it is in all conflicts. Part of the current reason for the widespread disillusionment with government and the resulting animosity towards our rulers is the fact that those in the middle of the government's war on freedom and privacy don't see themselves as being involved in a war until it affects them personally. When those in the middle have their lives affected by those who take countermeasures against the government, then their view of his actions will be affected by whether or not they have had their car confiscated for possession of a single joint, or whether or not they are facing imprisonment for plugging a parking meter. Some of those who lost loved ones in the OKC bombing are involved in fighting the government to have a *real* investigation into what happened. No doubt some of them will come out of the whole process with much more disgust for the government than for McVeigh. > So, for instance, if Whitfield Diffie and PhilZ were walking into a Federal > building in OK City, and I saw some cypherpunk not too far away getting > ready to blow it up, well, I guess I'd have to kill him. (Dirty Harry > saying: "feel lucky today, cpunk?"). It's good to see that you've given this some thought. It is important to personalize one's thoughts and actions in order to keep from getting caught up in the mass-hysteria that surrounds such issues. History has recorded many instances of people who had to decide if they could attack a building that contained friends, compatriots, or loved ones in furtherance of their purpose. (Or make the decision to place themself inside an area targeted by their own cause.) While I would defend McVeigh from those who dismiss his actions out of hand, with no thought of the culpability of the government and the average citizen, I downloaded pictures of some of the children who were maimed by the OKC bombing and I use them to avoid forgetting that there is personal tragedy involved in such an action. The fact remains that the more the government violates the freedom and privacy of their citizens, then the more the citizens will strike back in their own chosen way. The final tragedy of the OKC bombing is the lack of reckoning demanded by the citizens of their government for the growing disdain of the rights of the citizens that has led to so many feeling disenfranchised by their rulers. Nobody is voting for disenfranchisement; nobody is voting to have their privacy invaded and their freedom violated; nobody is voting to have the government take their money and enrich those in power. Yet still, the onslaught of government control and intrusion into every area of our lives continues. Blanc makes some excellent points about the average citizen being caught in a ping-pong crossfire in the conflict between government and anti-government forces. However, as I said, this is in the nature of conflict and the citizen's best option may be to make a daily effort to resist the government oppression, no matter how small it may seem in any instance. To borrow an analogy from another thread, if the government spams enough cypherpunks with a few Kilobytes here and there, they will eventually raise the ire of a Rick Osborne enough that he will send them back a few Gigabytes in return. And if Ross Wright's computer gets caught in the crossfire... TruthMonger

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Embrace the Dark Side
by Shift Control 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Essential Legislation Passes!!!
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: Sampler: May 16 Date: Fri, 16 May 97 00:30:02 PDT From: sampler-request(a)lmboyd.com Do your dentures, if any, have your social security number marked on them? Three states, at last report, required that by law. Montana, Illinois and Minnesota. ToothMonger

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by satellittvad＠norway.it.earthlink.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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