December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Would the anonymous person(s) please...
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Wed May 14 11:12:10 1997 > Would all those anonymous remailing people with a flame tendency, > please flame the person of your attacks, and don't send this bullshit > to the list? Thanks... > What would be the point.. the only person you can be *sure* doesn't care about these messages is the mark. - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzM2vJwAAAEH/1uuDgh1udD+DbU9ies8Lst3j7bmlM+m+aN0gVwerfx+uA14 AG6RDZwwCLwCZYxh0/AizW1b25nHs5XDFW7QIVo1/agtbyz3rt7plcp3wi+rXPxo zFPgILegG2k81mHYIYVJ1g9bEExVGsNc7GMthkaOjPL2VYirQPRtAa4ZZc6JuCLH I85xIcwuLppYajUU4WMMf4yz+5w1WtTlHdL9+ec6BHoF+fOhsF/8DMd5nveFl0aM G52t+z6okMw9vFjLbEtj0BbDRsMjRJNM5uFQWzU+nPEaUzVP+MySe/yrjR2P3dZa UKjpG3Er7U4DV7rb8mE20Wet10jJoALjG8yMZrUABRG0HVRoZSBTcGVjdHJlIDxz cGVjdHJlQG5hYy5uZXQ+iQEVAwUQM0qy66AC4xvMjGa1AQGNLAf/QY5SyC/jybOQ asYfNqhPFip0gZwUutOOgPdyrEsXoxFOWJ9OG95dzvNJ3of22zh4RLusUt5NT7lB DFUKiP4aQsNf5XmW+qk/R1nmqyO/XHAAAdIos2SGsYew2d3JatIlFZIQ+vMkEOC0 +oPotz7effhkDKeYl+Qdla9eZ1C47Be2NrA1sH26jKYhCob6VnAK+zAin8ZPEnb0 XEKQTMVdE2ehv2Q8PxygZhDI0L6sM6EgguvDWjJuGN4bIhxh22dAyNRJ7CVQsqwV rj4TtkAuqUb0nyQvD2xUeJcB/O+1LCH7oFBE4EG1qEIl7asVjEURrfej7OwxRrA0 J0Lc5tZToA== =tS4W - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBM3nWTaAC4xvMjGa1AQHPLAf+PrpiMXm4xG3Ex2rTiowGqXL5ODizBaQB IL+5Q6wTLjlpWJf5OFNX2YvLhsqWS868vLRq9xDsTTsYskhyj9bFfCR7izXq0TJu ROFRKqo0F9iXYJt0pERBwHlfvdZ8wRfJMyql+FQSV5yiHyguWWuIvkalx695M992 bdGMq9WhKmlfFG2MvP8Wye478XlllYZzzQJ8lxnMlWGbekuQs+Ciduvqe9r0dKj2 UcrLdFOTwECBVv8QsTwY8Kc+RYNwuXSxTwRxrrs285b3TX8s+hhUPeoFyjbpPdG4 D9t1AgD1+CJUee4HIZQAy2vmUrUJZvNAxTlQoVoXEHjeGOd1AJPB/Q== =zYWb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> > Date: Tue, 13 May 97 20:33:41 -0500 > Subject: Re: KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary... (fwd) > >> Every bill that *is not* passed by congress is just that much more freedom > >> that is saved. If all the bills passed by congress over the past 100yrs. > >> could all be repealed no one would miss them in the least (well no one > >> except the STATEST). > > >Yeah, > > >Blacks could go back to being niggers. > >Women could go back to being barefoot and pregnant > >etc... > > >Talk about statest. > > I don't know where you get the above from? Constitutional Amendments are general passed by Congress. Hence, your statement taken literaly is advocating a great deal of good that has come from such actions. > I supose that your statest brainwashing has convinced you that such social > issues could have only been resolved by Federal intervention. Quite the > contrary is true. Any laws passed by congress in these areas were brought > about *because* society was already moving in those directions not the > other way around. I was a small boy in the 60's in and around Houston. I remember what it was like before and after the desegregation that took place in the mid-60's when I started elementary. I can promise you from personal experience there were still seperate washrooms and fountains. Sweeney, Tx. still had a sign on Interstate 90 that said (and I quote) "If you are black don't let the sun set on you in Sweeney." (the sign was on private property adjacent to the interstate I found out years later) As to a little modern social commentary. Ride the city bus in your town for 1 month each day. During that time keep track of where people sit. Would you like to explain why the majority of blacks still sit in the back of the bus? And for those who are white with real cajones, walk into a black bar around 1AM on a Sunday. > If someone is going to descriminate on the basis of race or sex or any > other criteria they are going to do so reguardless of what laws are passed > in DC. Absolutely, as is their Constitutionaly protected right. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND EVERY OTHER FORM OF SOCIAL AND LEGAL INSTITUTION SHOULD NOT EVER, PERIOD. Private individuals and companies should, and can, discriminate to their hearts content. I personaly wouldn't deal with a business that I knew a priori discriminated against employees or customers based on sex, religion, etc. as a matter of standard policy. I suspect that most others with 2 halves of a clue to rub together would refuse as well. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Public Key Break Paper
by Phillip M. Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I just took a brief look at it, (thanks for forwarding, Lucky), >and it's pure crap-ola. As a meta-point any securirty person knows that employees and ex-employees are the most serious security risks. Its not exactly unknown for someone to go nuts and then come out with loony paranoid theories. This may not be the case in this instance but its a good idea not to start seeing black helicopters arround every corner... Phill

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update.321 (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From physnews(a)aip.org Wed May 14 13:21:46 1997 Date: Wed, 14 May 97 10:24:01 EDT From: physnews(a)aip.org (AIP listserver) Message-Id: <9705141424.AA09540(a)aip.org> To: physnews-mailing(a)aip.org Subject: update.321 PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News Number 321 May 13, 1997 by Phillip F. Schewe and Ben Stein A PHOTON CONVEYOR BELT has been created using sound waves and lasers, bringing about a new method for processing and storing light signals on a chip. In some opto-electronic devices it is desirable to delay or store an optically-encoded message by dispatching it down kilometer-long fiber cul-de-sacs. In a device developed at the University of Munich, the delay can be accomplished more compactly by first converting the light into a splash of excitons (electron-hole pairs) which propagate at a more leisurely pace, the electrons and holes surfing along on different parts of a guiding acoustic wave. Later the electron-hole pairs recombine into photons, which are read out at the other end of the sample. In effect the signal has been converted from a speed-of- light wave into a speed-of-sound wave, and back again. This technique is also a way of prolonging the lifetime of excitons, which typically live for mere nanoseconds before recombining; in this experiment they have now been preserved for microseconds. (C. Rocke et al., Physical Review Letters, 19 May 1997; contact Achim Wixforth, Achim.Wixforth @physik.uni-muenchen.de; animation at www.aip.org/physnews/graphics) THE QUANTUM WAVEFUNCTION OF A MATTER WAVE, the complete mathematical description of a quantum system, has been experimentally reconstructed for the first time. Trapping a single beryllium ion in electric fields, Dietrich Leibfried and his colleagues at NIST created a state in which the ion has exactly one quantum of vibrational energy. Determining the wavefunction, which contains all the knowable information about this system, is difficult because the uncertainty principle says that measuring its position alters its momentum and vice versa. But by preparing the same quantum state 500,000 times and making a different measurement each time, the researchers sidestepped this limitation and reconstructed piecemeal the probability for the ion to have certain values of position and momentum. Known as the Wigner function, this "quasiprobability" distribution can be mathematically transformed into an average quantum wavefunction for the system which, the researchers argue, is nearly identical to the actual wavefunction. The NIST researchers were the first to measure negative Wigner function values for certain coordinates of position and momentum--something that can only happen for quantum systems; this reflects the fact that the system can exist in many states simultaneously. (Physical Review Letters, 18 November 1996.) Subsequently, physicists at the University of Konstanz in Germany measured the Wigner function of a matter wave traveling in free space--a helium atom traversing a pair of slits. (Nature, 13 March; also Science News, March 15.) PHYSICISTS ARE 46 YEARS OLD AND MAKE $65,000 A YEAR. These are median values for a PhD physicist in the U.S. in 1996. Those who work at federal labs made the most (median $78,500), even more than in industry (median $77,000); those at 4-year colleges made the least, with a median of $49,200. Geographically, median salaries ranged from $70,000 (Pacific states) to $56,200 (East South Central). New PhD's earn $31,000 at universties and $39,600 at federal labs. Salaries for female physicists who have earned the PhD in the past 10 years are comparable to salaries for male physicists with similar experience ("Society Membership Survey: Salaries 1996," a report issued in April by the AIP Education and Employment Statistics Division; contact Ray Chu, rchu(a)aip.org)

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KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary...
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Net's crypto wet-dreams were demolished this afternoon by a Congressional committee's fear of coffee-drenched kids and the Ku Klux Klan. A two-hour debate over whether KKK volunteers could be sued for spilling coffee on an 8-year old at a bake sale blew through millions of dollars in billable lobbyist-hours and prevented the House Judiciary Committee from voting on Rep. Bob Goodlatte's (R-VA) SAFE crypto bill today. Somnolent yet somehow alert, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich) wasted an hour sparring with the avuncular Rep. Henry Hyde (R-Illinois) over the "Volunteer Protection Act," which insulates people volunteering for nonprofit organizations from civil liability. But would that apply to the KKK, wondered Conyers? Is the KKK a registered 501(c)(3) organization under the IRS code? What about 501(c)(4) organizations? What if a KKK member decided to build houses for Habitat for Humanity? I kid you not: these are the questions that the august House Judiciary committee grapples with. The members ran out of time and never got around to voting on SAFE. It was a bizzare meeting, to be sure, but at least one point made sense: these decisions should be left to the states, not imposed on them by the Feds. Some Congressmen even cited the landmark Supreme Court decision in _Lopez_, which shortened the reach of the Federal government. Conyers: "Someone has to explain why this is a federal issue." Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY): "I don't see why it's necessary for the federal government to invade." Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass) coughed up an odd position: he likes the bill, but wants to make sure his GOP colleagues appreciate that this bill would screw the states. (It uses the Constitution's "interstate commerce clause" to justify the Feds interfering.) Frank said: "The notion that the coach of the Little League is involved in interstate commerce -- unless the third baseline is in another state -- strikes me as a hard sell. A dispute involving the coach in a little league will now be federalized... I don't have a problem with that... I do insist, however, that those in the past who have invoked [states' rights understand that] this is an obliteration of Lopez." Those were the high points of the debate, and it went downhill from there. Frank claimed that the Civil War meant that states have no rights. Someone rambled about girl scouts in South Carolina. Someone else spoke passionately about "standards of tortious behavior." Then there was talk about tricyles and hammers. By this time, the audience was falling asleep. I counted 10 people nodding off before I ran out of fingers. A frustrated Hyde tried to broker a deal: "If your staff person can work with your staff person, can you draft replacement language?" Conyers replied. "We're trying to help chairman Hyde. We've got 12 minutes [left]. There's no way in the world we're going to allow hate group hangers-on to be exempted from simple negligence." It worked. By 5:15 pm, after a dozen amendments, the committee passed the "Volunteer Protection Act." As for SAFE -- well, if you're a Congressman faced with the choice of bashing the KKK or tackling crypto policy, what would you do? -By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) and Will Rodger (rodger(a)worldnet.att.net) who refuses to wear a tie to these events any more.

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Re: Just Say "No" to Congress
by geeman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think I'd like to have some voice in who steps up to the bar to fill the power vacuum, though, after the rapid oxidation within the Beltway. At 09:13 AM 5/14/97 -0800, Tim May wrote: >At 9:14 PM -0800 5/13/97, Lucky Green wrote: >>At 12:19 PM 5/11/97 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>>You might remember I wrote recently about the DoJ report released this >>>month that calls for new legislation to ban bomb-making info online. Now >>>Feinstein's office tells me she's going to introduce a bill. >> >>Feinswine never saw a gun/mind control bill she didn't like. She is an >>ultra fascist that rose to power thanks to the yellow dog Bay Area voters. >> > >Feinswine/Swinestein is the most despicable of all the politicians in >Congress. (This is not just ideology speaking...her usual-ally Barbara >Boxer is much less swinish, and even has some independent thoughts. I can't >see I often agree with Boxer, but she's not the Big Sister automaton that >Swinestein is.) > >We're basically under assault from all directions. The bozos in Congress >and state governments are spinning out new laws and obscure regulations >faster than we can react...and of course they're using our money to >generate these laws and lobby for them. Further, a mostly-brainwashed >Washington media population is surprising uncritical of these blizzard >drifts of new laws. > >As others have noted, recently James Donald, the lawmakers play the "good >cop, bad cop" game very well. Crypto becomes exportable (good cop), but >only if keys are given to the government (bad cop). Speech is ostensibly >protected by new laws, but new provisions criminalize racist, homophobic, >disrespectful, hurtful, offensive, or unpopular opinions. > >The "there ought to be a law" crowd is in high gear. > >The only proper rebuttal is to reject their view that more laws will fix >the societal ills they perceive. > >Attempting to "work with them" only feeds the good cop/bad cop system, as >the SAFE and Pro-CODE bills show. > >Removing the Washington area as a malignant tumor requiring drastic surgery >remains an option. > >--Tim May > >There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. >Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" >---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- >Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, >Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. >"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway." > > > > > >

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unsafe SAFE:
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

according to http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,10604,00.html Kerrey's effort has one thing in common with the SAFE Act: It calls for the creation of an Information Security Board. The board proposal caused some privacy watchdogs to pull their endorsements of SAFE because it wouldn't have to comply with federal open-meeting act. Since a common hand has presumably been at work in both bills, this looks like good cop / bad cop to me. The good cop says, "I am your friend" He is not your friend. Create a federal board, and it will exercise power. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: The Interlinked Cypherpunks Lists? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, > > * Is it possible for the interlinked lists to send out announcements of > > list problems to subscriber of all such lists? (Each list owner could do a > > periodic "who cypherpunks" of the other lists, then use this list to send a > > message if a problem comes up. More sophisticated cross-processing could > > eliminate duplicates, etc.) Sounds like time to start another list subscribed to the existing nodes and offer such services to the subscribers at the operators whim. I oppose any action which would force the list to become more 'cooperative' in the sense that each node operator would be forced (sorta anti-cpunks I believe) to comply with some set of scripts and such they didn't develop in the first place. It would be just another means to limit the ability of people in general, and the cpunks in particular, to communicate with as little structure and 'authority' as possible. Unless I am seriously mistaken on this, the point was to make the list more robust and less centralized. Pretty soon we'll have to join some damn union or something. Now some of you are going to say that this is taking it to extremes. That what is being proposed is a good thing and not something that could be used to 'manipulate' the lists. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the guy driving the paving truck only wants to help you (as he paves your petunia's). > > * Alternatively, if one of the sites goes down, such as > > "cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net" seems to have done, could the other sites > > automagically pick up the task of distributing articles until the site > > comes back up? This again is anti-cpunks, it forces a level of cooperation and information sharing that is in direct opposition to beliefs in anonymity and privacy. I don't want it known who is subscribed to lists through SSZ, in short: It isn't any of your damn business and quit asking. Solution? Get a life or start an archive site. > The only true reliability can be achieved by subscribing to two or more > cypherpunks sites, and eliminating duplicates. Reliability has its costs. As do freedom, privacy, anonymity, etc. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: Quadratic Residue: Vulis
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Demento Vulis's mother attempted to pro-choice the unwanted little bastard by fishing with a coat hanger in her giant cunt, but failed miserably to pull the rabbit and succeeded only in scraping out the contents of little Demento's fetal cranium (not much to begin with). (_) _____ (_) /O O\ The Proctologist Demento Vulis ! I ! ! \___/ ! \_____/

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