December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: "restrict technical assistance by U.S. persons with respect
by Scott Renfro 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am anything _but_ a lawyer, but ... On 2 May 97 at 1:35, Anil Das wrote: > These ECCNs (whatever that means) is in http://jya.com/774-ccl05.htm. > 5A002 is for hardware modules that do encryption functions. 5D002 applies > to software. I won't quote it here, but from my reading it lists only > software designed or modified for certain purposes, such as putting it in > a hardware module, for one. Filling in the cross-references between 5D002 and 5A002 in the above URL, I read the following: a. Software having the same characteristics, or performing or simulating the functions of of equipment designed or modified to use "cryptography" employing digital or analog techniques to ensure "information security" is controlled. b. Software designed or modified to use such software is controlled. This is the clearest control of software "hooks" I have read in the reg. The software module performing encryption would fall under control due to (a) and the software designed with "hooks" for the encryption module would fall under control due to the restriction in (b). FWIW Scott

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"GOOD NEWS" "The Good News Electronic Journal"
by Biz-E-Wiz＠usa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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[CRYPTO] ZKP
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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"GOOD NEWS" "The Good News Electronic Journal"
by Biz-E-Wiz＠usa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Cyberstrike
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- May be of interest... In> From: cleacy(a)execulink.com (Chris Leacy) In> Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www.announce In> Subject: SOFTWARE: CyberStrike 1.13a Ad filtering/Cookie cutting Proxy In> Date: 30 Apr 1997 23:28:43 -0400 In> CyberStrike: Version 1.13a First Public Release In> The first public alpha of CyberStrike was released today. In> It can be found at <URL:http://www.execulink.com/~cleacy> In> CyberStrike is a banner ad filtering, cookie cutting, HTTP In> header overriding proxy of a program. In> Whether for privacy concerns, or just to speed up your In> browsing, CyberStrike performs admirably well at it's task. In> Chris Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! -> http://www.epic.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBM2mQeTltEBIEF0MBAQEbUAf+NQOMPrml38ijLwv8MIPSkTUbtbNQebJy R4LaeYhXI6Z/OzJdX6AQC2GisxMyPiz3QWWBoAqxGkunWDHbQzDfZVWW6nZa4zLY do2r11CEWFPba1igX+8JtCm9gd11S8Zlff5Pw5eTYOMcsVSHf6Z/+iAT5aqnIdcb YU26JswL1MofhWlNhbNXYc/9wQ3uUn1hU3lin+Lujfa5+cXXlTyfz6eFcJlwD7ZY KdK7UfPMuCeZnUX/VJqBdJ1idXfC5YOlwVMBNIyQK7PgCy59FvP5CiiXhpui7uSj WijKBSMUsz2HuQIuQJf6zvW/bi5DGWr6PerTXnuVaUkjNHr4Fp13Mg== =5TtH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: FC: Responses to Tim May's criticism of SAFE, and a rebuttal (fwd)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:43:07 -0400 From: Jonah Seiger <jseiger(a)cdt.org> To: Charles Platt <cp(a)panix.com>, fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Cc: Charles Platt <cp(a)panix.com> Subject: Re: FC: Responses to Tim May's criticism of SAFE, and a rebuttal At 6:44 PM -0400 5/1/97, Charles Platt wrote: >From: Jonah Seiger <jseiger(a)cdt.org> >> Congress needs to stand up to the Administration and say, with a strong >> voice, "your policy is a failure - we need a different solution". That's >> what SAFE, Pro-CODE, and ECPA II do. > >For some reason I have difficulty trusting Congress to protect my rights >in this matter, or in any other matter. Those who seek help from >government should recall Barry Goldwater's famous quote, which went >something like this: "When you have a government big enough to give you >everything you want, it's big enough to take it all away." This is exactly the point. The Administration continues to push for a government-designed global key-recovery encryption policy that would, in the words of Grover Norquist (head of the conservative Americans for Tax Reform and supporter of SAFE), "force all Americans to go to bed at night with their doors unlocked and their car keys in the ignition". It's been 4 years of it - in various forms, the most recent being the first serious proposal in history to impose DOMESTIC RESTRICTIONS on the ability of American Citizens to protect their privacy on American soil. The FBI, NSA, DOJ and the Clinton Administration want guaranteed law enforcement access to private encryption keys. That's what we are fighting against. All of us have been screaming (rightly) about Clipper and it's various mutant offspring from the beginning. Congress has at last gotten the message and is aggressively taking the lead -- 3 bills designed to relax government regulation of encryption technologies and prohibit the government from imposing key escrow or key recovery inside the US. I too share your skepticism about trusting Congress to solve all our problems. They didn't give us much reason to when they passed the CDA. And even in the best of circumstances, legislation is rarely "perfect". But in this case I honestly believe the sponsors of SAFE (78) and Pro-CODE (21) have got it basically right. The administration clearly has it totally wrong. We have a long way to go yet before this debate is over, and I suspect the Administration has a few more tricks left up its sleve. We owe it to our allies in Congress, and to the issues we say we believe in as participants on this list, to give this our best effort. Call that 'pragmatism' if you want. We have never considered that to be a derogatory term. Jonah -- Jonah Seiger, Communications Director (v) +1.202.637.9800 Center for Democracy and Technology pager: +1.202.859.2151 <jseiger(a)cdt.org> http://www.cdt.org PGP Key via finger http://www.cdt.org/jseiger/ * Value Your Privacy? The Governmet Doesn't. Say 'No' to Key Escrow! * Adopt Your Legislator - http://www.crytpo.com/adopt

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unSAFE
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 01:04:17 -0400 From: Michael Sims <jellicle(a)inch.com> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Cc: Jonah Seiger <jseiger(a)cdt.org>, abd(a)cdt.org, Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net>, declan(a)well.com Subject: unSAFE Well, I've read Mr. Davidson's defense of the SAFE bill and of course Mr. May's earlier argument against it. A few more comments. Both analyses (all analyses I've seen) ignore this little fun fun tidbit below: <--QUOTE--> (a) AMENDMENT TO EXPORT ADMINISTRATION ACT OF 1979. -- Section 17 of the Export Administration Act of 1979 (50 U.S.C. App. 2416) is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection: "(1) GENERAL RULE.--Subject to paragraphs (2), (3), and (4), the Secretary shall have exclusive authority to control exports of all computer hard ware, software, and technology for information security (including encryption), except that which is specifically designed, or modified for military use, including command, control, and intelligence applications. "(2) ITEMS NOT REQUIRING LICENSES. -- No validated license may be required, EXCEPT PURSUANT TO THE TRADING WITH THE ENEMY ACT OR THE INTERNATIONAL EMERGENCY ECONOMIC POWERS ACT (but only to the extent that the authority of such Act is not exercised to extend controls imposed under this Act), for the export or reexport of .... (b) CONTINUATION OF EXPORT ADMINISTRATION ACT.-For purposes of carrying out the amendment made by subsection (a), the Export Administration Act of 1979 shall be deemed to be in effect. <--/QUOTE--> {emphasis added, EXCEPT....ACT} The Trading with the Enemy Act was passed in 1917 and amended (importantly) in 1933 (Great Depression, New Deal). Originally, it was intended to simply declare that when the nation was at war, it was total war - the US would not honor any obligations or respect any rights of citizens of enemy, warring countries. It specifically allowed the president to regulate as he wished, during wartime, the assets and fiscal transactions conducted by an enemy country. (Confiscation and all that). Fair enough, for a WWI era law. Here how it read. Recall, this is during a declared war only. "That the President may investigate, regulate, or prohibit, under such rules and regulations as he may prescribe, by means of licenses or otherwise, any transactions in foreign exchange, export or earmarkings of gold or silver coin or bullion or currency, transfers of credit in any form (other than credits relating solely to transactions to be executed wholly within the United States)". In 1933 it was amended, hastily, sneakily, back-door-ily, in order to grant incoming President Roosevelt extraordinary powers over the money supply of the nation. It was amended to declare all citizens of the United States to be "enemies", under its power during any time of war *or national emergency*. That is, the "Trading with the Enemy" act now applied to all citizens of the US and all of their interpersonal transactions. Roosevelt declared a national emergency, and took the country off the gold standard, pumping cash into the system and ending the depression. But doing so required power not earlier available. Thus the new wording below. This is now during war *or national emergency declared by the president*. "through any agency that he may designate, or otherwise, investigate, regulate or prohibit under such rules and regulations as he may prescribe by means of licenses or otherwise, any transactions in foreign exchange, transfers of credit between or payments by banking institutions as defined by the President and export, hoarding, melting or earmarking of gold or silver coin or bullion or currency by any person within the United States or anyplace subject to the jurisdiction thereof." Roosevelt of course declared a national emergency and proceeded on his way. However, he declared it in such a way as to make it continue until revoked. This country remains in a state of emergency today, and will do so forthe foreseeable future, and the President retains the extraordinary powers intended solely for wartime. These include the total ability to regulate commerce in the United States. I recommend Michael Froomkin's excellent (and lengthy) article on the subject at http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/planet_clipper.htm. Although about the Clipper chip, if you go about 60% through the article he has a solid discussion of the EAA, IEEPA and the presidential power thereunder. It's 50 U.S.C. Sec. 1701 and following. Section 1702 there has the meat of it. This Act allows the President, once he has declared a state of emergency, to regulate essentially any commerce with another nation, except those items directly identified as "speech" - magazines, papers, etc. President Clinton has twice declared a state of emergency regarding export control regulations, the latest on August 15, 1996. Mr. Seiger, Mr. Davidson, I hope that you merely did not understand the giant, drive-a-truck-through loophole present in this SAFE bill. By guaranteeing free export EXCEPT pursuant to whatever actions are taken under the IEEPA or Trading with the Enemy Act, it guarantees absolutely nothing at all. Those laws combined provide the President with complete power to regulate the sale or export of crypto, anywhere. This law, Mr. Davidson's assertions notwithstanding, gives nothing at all while taking a great deal. Every "right" the SAFE act grants is already possessed. The law also poses severe penalties for using crypto in furtherance of a crime. As an example, I call Crook 2 on my cell phone while cruising down the street. It is later determined that we were plotting a bank heist. Extra five years for using encryption to further my crime. Yep, just a plain old cell phone. For that matter, almost all cordless phones today use an encrypt/decrypt routine for their transmissions as well. Anyone using PGP on their computer? Crime involved at least one email sent for any reason? Extra five years. This will hardly support the spread of encryption. It gives law enforcement guaranteed access to keys: an awful precedent. Any law enforcement officer or investigative officer (attornies prosecuting a case) who is empowered to prosecute or participate in the prosecution of offenses under this act may compel disclosure of keys. All one needs is an escrow provision to ensure that such a key is available for the government to retrieve - and such a provision is perfectly legal for the president to impose. Thus, an FBI agent, who is "empowered" to investigate crimes under this act, can compel disclosure, by a third party, of your keys - without cause to even believe an offense has actually been committed. Without judicial review. This will further the spread of strong crypto? I freely admit I'm not an expert US export control law, which is designed to be confusing. But I believe that all of the privacy and crypto organizations which have signed on to SAFE are being sold a bill of goods, a law which says in bold letters "freedom" "freedom" "prohibition" but provides no freedoms, and does not prohibit key escrow in any fashion. I urge you _most strongly_ to consult with legal experts on these matters and verify that what I have said is true. THIS BILL GIVES NOTHING AT ALL AND MAKES USE OF CRYPTO WORTH FIVE YEARS IN PRISON. Continued support of this bill by privacy and crypto advocates is outrageous. Newsletters supporting this bill by such organizations have the effect of perpetuating the false impressions of what this law does and does not do, and need to be immediately brought in line with reality. While I am only cc'ing CDT reps on this matter, I give free permission to forward this post to any/all other crypto and privacy supporting organizations or listservs for comment. -- Michael Sims

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Barmy for Bhajis!
by Shift Control 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: counterTCM post
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vladimir Z. Nuri, who is wasting our tax dollars, if he is paid government stooge, and wasting his own time, if he is not, wrote: > I generally agree that our democratic system has degenerated over > the decades, to the point of being scary and dangerous in places. And, in spite of this, you're going to suggest more of the "same old, same old" right? > however, we can ask, why did it get to that point? I believe > it is a failure of the citizens to maintain the > authority over their congressmen and president. And every fairy tale has to include the words, > once upon a time, citizens saw congress and the president as their > servants. it led to a particular kind of ideology reflected in the > policies of the country. > > over time, people gradually gave away this authority. they saw the > president and congress as having authority over citizens, instead of > vice versa. A lot of people give away their televisions to burglars, and their wallets to armed robbers. The person with the largest weapon has the most authority. > TCM's idea of telling congress and the president to f*** off is actually, > in my opinion, an extreme case of people giving away their authority. > it is more of the same problem, not the solution. it is failing to > address the root of the problem-- that the president and congress > must be put in a subservient relationship to the desires of the citizens. So you're about to suggest following Tim McVeigh's example, only at the White House, instead, right? > one must uncreate the monster in the same ways it was created. Right. It began life at the point of a gun, and that's the way it should end when the monster begans feeding on those who created it. > I commend CDT and all other online groups for their organizational > motives and drive, and condemn TCM for his pissing on them. what is he doing? Sounds like a good, old-fashioned cypherpunks pissing contest to me. Better lay in extra beer. > if something is broken, do you fix it, or abandon it? or shoot it? TCM is > always advocating the latter two. it's not a solution, and he knows it, > and everyone else here knows it too. This is wonderful! At last the cypherpunks have a leader who can speak for all of us. When does the New List Moderation begin? I'm going to have to lay in a whole shitload of beer for this round. PissMonger & his corporate schill pooch, Spudz

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Made a Mistake! Re: unSAFE
by geeman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wrote --- comment, though, on this caveat in the paragraphs you indicate: "(2) ITEMS NOT REQUIRING LICENSES. ... (but only to the extent that the authority of such Act is not exercised to extend controls imposed under this Act) .... " Seems to me that it says "the administration can still control xyz under the EAA, TWE, EEP, etc but not if such control extends the controls defined under HR695 SAFE" Looks like language to assuage the powers that be, while it creates AMBIGUITY and the need for interpretation (AKA court intervention) when some administration tries to overstep it's bounds. I don't think that's necessarily bad, since legislation has never existed that is ironclad anyway: it's always subject to some runaway Attorney General getting weird, as we have seen plenty of times. <usual caveats go here> --- but THEN noticed the paragraph is attached to the EAA, not SAFE. Never mind. SAFE looks more ominous ....

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