December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

PGP
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[retin] Mayflower styles his facial hair to look more like pubic hair. ,,, -ooO(o o)Ooo- Tim C[retin] Mayflower (_)

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pgMedia, Inc. vs. Network Solutions, Inc. PARTY!
by mf＠mediafilter.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Since when is supporting unrestricted crypto unreasonable?
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:46 PM 5/6/97 -0500, Omegaman wrote: >I'm starting to think that until someone actually gets arrested and >jailed for using strong, unbreakable encryption that is "suspected" of >supporting a crime, little will change. In the meantime, the >administration, Congress, and the TLA's will keep getting closer to >achieving their goals. Ahh, but the government is far too clever to haul up Phil Cypherpunk and charge him with "Encryption with intent to hide". Instead, they'll wait until they get a Tim McVeigh-esque case, show that he "conspired" using encryption, and say "See how tough on crime we are? We must convict and fry this evil militia member. And give him an extra 230 volts for using encryption, according to the SAFE law." There isn't an American politician alive who would dare publically ask to have a McVeigh-level-case's sentence reduced or any stupid charges dropped. "Sorry, I can't appear soft on this kind of criminal!" Then, there is *legal precedent* for all kinds of criminals to get the extra 5 years (or 230 volts). Then, when they DO come around and pound down the doors of Jim Cypherpunk for having evil thoughts about FBI agents and find an encrypted copy of Penthouse; well, hey, that law's been tested on the books before. Lock him up. When charges are brought up against a suspect, the suspect is truly spammed with all manner of accusations. It's how the legal game is played. Find someone you want to lock up, then throw enough turds and some will eventually stick. Tim May's new signature nicely reflects this. Therefore, citizens won't ever "win" if ProCODE or SAFE or whatever is enacted. It'll just be another turd thrown at suspects.

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Re: Banking Secrecy and Nazi Gold
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone sent me private mail about my post, and suggested that Swiss bankers have historically had close ties to the Swiss government, e.g, most are reserve officers in the Swiss military. He also suggested that Switzerland is more of a police state than many realize. Here is my reply: I don't argue otherwise. Likewise, Monaco is a video surveillance state, with hundreds of cameras scattered in hidden locations throughout that tiny place. Neither are places I'd want to live. But the deposits of the 1930s-40s are ancient history. As I said, I see the current foofaw as being political. (Just as the Kurt Waldheim thing was political, in that Israel, the U.S., and many other states knew of Waldheim's war record and chose to exploit the knowledge rather than reveal it.) If the U.S. forces the illegal gains to be "given back," mightn't the fortune Joe Kennedy amasses as a rum runner be seized? The Kennedy clan made its considerable fortune through outlaw activities, even to the (probable) point of buying the '60 election (Illinois, as I'm sure you know). (Not suggesting rum running = extermination of Jews. Far from it. But the notion of going back to events of 50-60 years ago, when ignored in the intervening decades, must always be scrutinized for real intentions.) Lastly, I really wish you'd make more of your comments in a public way, so that my responses can be public. --Tim There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Encryption--RSA v. PGP
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.aol.com id LAA22230 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:02:39 -0500 Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> From: "Kevin J. Connolly" <kconnolly(a)EVW.COM> Subject: Encryption--RSA v. PGP To: CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RSA Data Security, Inc. filed an action in the Superior Court of California, San Mateo County, against Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. PGP has been claiming that its license to distribute RSA-based encryption software is based on a chain running from Public Key Partners to Viacrypt, Inc. PGP acquired Viacrypt, Inc. in January 1996 and has been selling RSA-based encryption software for commercial use ever since. The complaint, filed by Tomlinson Zisko Morosoli & Maser, alleges that PGP's license is derived from a license to Lemcom, which in turn has been terminated. This might well mean the end of PGP. This would certainly be a bad outcome for security and freedom on the Internet. I will be following these developments and report to the list. It's ironic that RSA is doing this while complaining about PGP conduct as a freeloader. I doubt that public key encryption would be anywhere as notorious as it has become if it were not for Phil Zimmermannn's crusade; and I haven't noticed RSA offering to help with Phil's legal expenses. Kevin J. Connolly The opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author, not of Eaton & Van Winkle. This communication is not legal advice. If it were legal advice, it would be accompanied by an invoice. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM3HrGTQOqu5WyMfpAQFX7AP/T0R54+S05FqKJ+zZXVb1uCHMrPZmagEm aiW9Dfgwo/K3tXbkrbS0WEtCc8tZobXbL7fLOT82qzKvXehRsERILV2keeaXlAe7 WN5c66SjaWe/xGfLQ/8UAnzaBl6l+olG8gN2zxGatbLDcKuakP7j0LGRuzhTXAaG BOYGDUbsSAY= =VCFW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: (fwd) Cell Phone Cancer Study
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As follow up to the Stewart Fist report on new findings of cell-phone hazards, the Jerusalem Post says that the report is causing alarm in Israel -- where cell-phones are heavily used -- and that the government intends to investigate. Motorola et al are hunkered. The scientific study is in the journal "Radiation Research," Volume 147, Number 5, May 1997: http://www.cjp.com/radres/html/may97toc.htm Michael H. Repacholi, Antony Basten, Val Gebski, Denise Noonan, John Finnie and Alan W. Harris "Lymphomas in Emu-Pim1 Transgenic Mice Exposed to Pulsed 900 MHz Electromagnetic Fields" (p. 631) However, there is not an on-line version, unless someone knows of it elsewhere. What say the cellular folks here to this story?

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Re: (fwd) Cell Phone Cancer Study
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks for critiquing this sensitive topic. The 11-page paper was published by Radiation Research, as noted here, whose editor is at Oak Ridge National Lab, if that offers credibility. Radiation Research's Web site shows an impressive range of credentials of scientists in the field, perhaps superior, if more specialized, to that of Science and Nature, both which oft times suffers the chancres of promiscuous sci-populuxitis. Best is to see the report for oneself. A copy is available for US$30.00 by fax. Request by calling the publisher at (423) 574-5874. Or E-mail to: Radiation Research Biology Division Oak Ridge National Laboratory <radres(a)aol.com> We've had a layman's look and cite the authors' final cautionary paragraph: "This is not to imply that any humans at all are necessarily at increased risk of cancer as a consequence of exposure to RF fields. No single experiment on animals can allow such a conclusion. Rather, we believe the study reported here indicates a need for further research. Tumorigenesis in genetically predisposed mice may provide a useful assay for interactions between RF fields and biological systems. With the current rapid expansion in the use of RF fields for telecommunications, a reliable assay is required to enable a better assessment of limits to safe levels of human exposure." Send more money or die, sucker, the "responsible" scientist's clanging alarm, eh?

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Re: Controversial Commercial ISP for Remailer?
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Dave Hayes wrote: > > Igor Chudov writes: > > > I am interested in your view, Dave. > > > > There are only two reasons that I can see your interest serving. > > You either wish to support my views or oppose them. Neither case > > serves your potential enlightement, therefore I shall choose to > > not answer. > Dave, you are a very insightful man, but in this case you were > mistaken: I am interested to hear your views for my enlightenment. I responded that way for a reason. I offered my view on spamming spammers. You replaced "spamming spammers" with "hacking spammers". I do not see the relevance, hence my answer. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet Who are the learned? Those who put into practice what they know.

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Re: Controversial Commercial ISP for Remailer?
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ray Arachalian writes: > On Tue, 6 May 1997, Dave Hayes wrote: > > Igor Chudov writes: > > > I am interested in your view, Dave. > > There are only two reasons that I can see your interest serving. > > You either wish to support my views or oppose them. Neither case > > serves your potential enlightement, therefore I shall choose to > > not answer. > A very Zen answer (and quite a slippery one at that.) Thank you. > What if Igor was simply curious as to your views? Curiosity does not generally have zero attachment to other goals. If it did in this case, the information is not useful. > If not what difference does it make whether he supports or opposes > your view? Moo. > Why do you care whether or not a person is enlightened by your > response? I don't. > If you truly are following Zen, then it is not for you to decide > what will or won't enlighten others since this would mean taking > responsability for another person's karma. I neither follow nor lead Zen, but it is interesting to note your conjugation of "truth" and it's implications. > IMHO, your response isn't one of potentially enlightening others, but rather > fear of sharing your opinion. Since it is clear you cannot understand the former, the latter is all that is open to you to understand. Perhaps that is good enough, for your purposes. > This is two fold. If you fear he will oppose it, you are seeking > the approval of others. If you fear he will agree to it, you fear > that those who oppose his views will oppose yours. There are many more folds that you have overlooked. I may desire him to oppose it, thus seeking negative approval. I may desire him to agree to it, thus seeking positive approval. I may desire him to neither agree nor oppose it, thus seeking his enlightenment by my words, which is really seeking positive approval. I may fear he will neither agree nor oppose it, thus seeking his lack of enlightenment by my words, which is really seeking negative approval. > You could take the hidden third option and claim privacy, however it > is too late to do so since you have already shared some commentary - > and thus this path is closed to you. No path is closed to me, except by my choice. > Your responses so far were to the ethical and moral standards of spamming the > spammers. I wasn't interested in such. I am comfortable with my own morals > and take responsability for my actions. However, the point of this paragraph > is that you have tried to share with us your morals, and thus thrust them > upon us, later, here, you say you lack the will to share your views with us, > and thus back out of passing judgement on our hypothetical actions. > And at this point I am no longer interested in your oppinion on this > matter for it is jaded by fear, so please, don't even bother to reply. :) Notice the way you respond to my sharing: You pass judgement on my views, thus preventing your own enlightenment. Then you say you lack the will to be interested in my response, thus becoming guilty of what you claim I am guilty of. This was truly a mirrored interchange. I thank you for the opportunity to witness my self in you. ;-) ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet A passerby caught Nasrudin prying open the window of his own bedroom from the outside in the depths of night. "What are you doing? Locked out?" "Hush!" came the reply. "They say I walk in my sleep. I am trying to surprise myself and find out."

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GAK Spreads, FRB Smirks
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A news report today that 22 new members have joined the Key Recovery Alliance, now 61 total. A meeting in Toronto on April 24-25 reviewed committee reports on key recovery prospects for "facilitating the wordlwide use of strong cryptography." And, two Federal Reserve economists claim that smart cards and E-cash have a ways to go to compete with well-tested and trusted paper bucks. No, they smirk, these views do not protect the FRB's central bank hegemony. Both reports at: http://jya.com/krafrb.txt

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