December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

The Inducement of Rapid Oxidation of Certain Materials in or Near Government Buildings
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Inducement of Rapid Oxidation of Certain Materials in or Near Government Buildings At 04:07 AM 5/11/97 +0200, M. Froomkin wrote: >[... ugly stuff about "soft targets"] > >It ill behooves participants in a democracy to either advocate or even >tolerate or even cluck sympathetically at mass murder for political ends. >This way lies Bosnia. Tim is neither a democrat nor a participant in a democracy. Note that all the parties involved in the current Balkans war are governments (or claim to be). Most of the violence in interactions between people and governments is on the government side. The U.S. government and others have been committing mass murder for years. Supporters of those governments thus support mass murder for "political ends." Governments have murdered 170 million people since 1900. My back-of-the-envelope estimate is that the civilians of the world have only murdered about 20 million people in the same period of time. Quite a disparity. The U.S. government and its subsidiaries (for example) annually kill hundreds of people in carrying out the "war" on the unlicensed retailing of pharmaceuticals. The U.S. was convicted of war crimes in the International Court of Justice in the Hague in the late 80's for dropping air-sown mines in one of Nicaragua's harbors. The U.S. practices the mass bombing of civilian populations in wartime which causes a very great loss of innocent life. Many of the other governments of the world are worse. The principle of estoppel would seem to logically preclude the world's governments from arguing that their mass murders are OK but those committed by amateurs (which kill many fewer people) aren't. Again, and in general, some of the readers of this and other recent threads on cypherpunks need some reading lessons (present company excepted). Tim May has not advocated blowing things up (though such advocacy remains legal). He has not advocated that cypherpunks blow things up. He has not advocated that Timothy McVeigh blow things up. He has not even said that blowing things up is a hip and happening way to raise the average IQ and moral level of the surviving population. He has merely said that if OTHER PEOPLE blow certain things up he understands their actions and that in the case of certain targets he would not shed a tear. He also predicted that people will be blowing things up in the future (with which prediction, even the U.S. government agrees). In any case, cypherpunks' orientation is towards the mathematics of cryptography rather than towards chemical engineering. DCF "If the Red Queen blows things up it's a virtue. If you blow thgings up it's a vice." -- The Mad Hatter. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBM3eIZoVO4r4sgSPhAQEi7gP+K0cDa/6qXtB8FPfmn9Evk2LRxV9qNiQ+ AIjCagp/MeV2WnHKkEcTrX+geZxDOAhDn8XdHopf6sozI2CZlZYxsEqPFOBb0gjx wnpN/j6zjWxFkTdBO+UGrNPK4+G9+hkm1BPjaJSbsgHT2UrLSsK0YUzu1dW4EQtH gPKh8/2baSM= =2y+Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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cyberpass.net got a problem?
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hardly any traffic at all today. Is cyberpass.net ok? I sent a `who cypherpunks' to majordomo(a)cyberpass.net and got a response back instantly from sirius.infonex.com, so it's _there_. Most of the small amount of traffic that there is, seems to be from algebra.com and toad.com. I've just subscribed to algebra.com, in case I'm missing out on articles (my procmail will kill duplicates if any). How are people on algebra.com finding the traffic? (2 articles dated 12th in total as of 21:40 GMT (+0)). Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Digital signatures
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy May's family tree goes straight up. All of his ancestors were siblings, to dumb to recognize each other in the dark. _ o |<)_/# Timmy May TT <T

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CAK/GAK center, "first and only U.S. Govnt. approved"
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.sourcefile.com Just how many "authorized personnel" are there, and who all is paying them to do what?

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`careerpunks'
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[This post cc cypherpunks(a)algebra.com & cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net to aid propogation which seems to be struggling.] In trying to figure out which lists were working, I noticed that there are now many more people on coderpunks and cryptography than there are on cypherpunks... take a look at these figures: 713 cryptography(a)c2.net 713 coderpunks(a)toad.com 245 cypherpunks(a)algebra.com + cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net - duplicates Seems to me many of the `cypherpunks' have become `careerpunks' and are now more interested in trading crypto tips, trade gossip, than in cypherpunks projects. They went through the phase of buying kewl domain names (take a look down the subscriber lists), tinkering with remailers, and have now graduated to making money from crypto consulting, and lost interest in the issues where they don't add to the bottom line. Oh yeah, I know you might argue that selling crypto is a good thing, and it is, but the two are not completely focused in the same direction: corporate, or consulting interests want to sell crypto, to export crypto, cypherpunks want tools to increase the power of the individual. An example of this different focus is perhaps the SAFE bill. Lots of corporates seem keen on SAFE, because it increases their market place. Individuals right to use crypto in the US can go to hell. Before anyone leaps down my throat, the above is a gross generalisation, and is intended as food for thought only. I know plenty of you who are involved in the crypto business and who haven't lost your ideals, and think SAFE is a bad deal, etc. However, I think the trend exists. Adam (btw coderpunks won't give you it's subscriber list unless you're subscribed) -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: whine politics again
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monique Lamont wrote: > on the subject of wine-importing restrictions in florida: > tcmay wrote: > > Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right > thing. > > Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all > that. > it's illegal to ship wine to floridans now, so therefore it is okay > to execute the responsible officials and blow up innocents. > > HELLO PEOPLE! buy a clue from the Discount Clue Store, and > while you are out, stop by the Jiffy Lube and get your > common human decency refilled. > alice0 > --------------------------------------------------------- > Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > --------------------------------------------------------- aliceO wants the innocents to live so that she can spam them to death from her account at hotmail.com. They're better off dying quick and painlessly... SpamMonger

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Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by jimbell＠pacifier.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:14 5/11/97 EDT, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >I bet the NCSA folks are kicking themselves for missing the opportunity >to have Jim Bell speak at InfoWarCon 96 :-) Hey, there's always 1997! Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Announcing: a new John Wiley book on Web Security
by Avi Rubin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Announcing: The Web Security Sourcebook (John Wiley & Sons, Inc.) by Avi Rubin, Dan Geer, Marcus Ranum foreward by Steve Bellovin A new book on all aspects of web security. More information can be found at http://www.clark.net/pub/mjr/websec/ ********************************************************************* Aviel D. Rubin rubin(a)research.att.com Secure Systems Research Dept. Adjunct Professor at NYU AT&T Research Labs 180 Park Avenue http://www.research.att.com/~rubin/ Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 Voice: +1 973 360-8356 USA FAX: +1 973 360-8809

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Re: Dr. Vulis
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: PGP
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Given Timmy C[retin] May's propensity to molest little children, is it any surprise that the state of California wants to have him castrated? ,,, (o-o) -ooO-(_)-Ooo- Timmy C[retin] May

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