December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

VideoWorld Justice
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From "Video Justice" TV show: "The video camera has evolved from passive observer to active participant" (in the war on crime). Golly gee, government wants to use video cameras to monitor citizens everywhere, all the time, and now we have a primetime TV show dedicated to convincing the citizens that the surveillance camera is their best friend. What a coincidence! With a dozen TV shows already championing law enforcement personnel with neatly pressed uniforms saving the citizens from bad guys wearing T-shirts, its refreshing to see fresh propaganda which informs us that surveillance technology is our new best friend. It was so enlightening to hear criminologists and prosecutors praise the emotional charge generated by seeing perpetrators "laugh" as they "terrorized" people by shooting them with paintball guns resulting in their receiving four years in prison instead of the one year that the prosecutor expected. ( 4 perps x 4 years x $65,000/year = > $ 1,000,000.00 of taxpayer money spent to incarcerate people who splatter someone with paint and laugh about it. If Tim May owns a paintball gun, then I guess that he can add to his list of potential felonies.) We also learn that surveillance cameras are "Invaluable weapons of enforcement in government stings" and that "The evidence they provide is incontestable." It sounds like we will no longer need judges and juries once the citizens are fully monitored. We are told that John Law is protected from claims of entrapment by the irrefutable evidence provided by their video taping of the government sting. Naturally, we only see a selective two minute tape of the entire operation. No video/sound recording of the setup of the victim/criminal is shown. There was no video shown of police brutality (ala Rodney King) and no questioning of why the technology is only geared toward showing what goes on in front of the camera, leaving the citizen unprotected once the officer takes him or her out its visual range. (Of course, any deviation from the "Sainthood of Authority" script would result in the show's producers losing access to the cheap source of their video propaganda.) Where is the legislation being put forth to require law enforcement personnel under video surveillance to prevent them from engaging in crimes against the citizens? Harassing them, beating them, becoming the source of crack flowing into their neighborhoods, spending hours and days manipulating them into a two-minute video scene which is staged to provide "incontestable evidence" of their guilt. Video cameras are commonplace to watch the citizens in banks in case someone tries to "steal" a few hundred or a few thousand dollars. Where are the video cameras that watch the bankers in order to provide evidence of their possible criminal actions? Video surveillance technology is the same old story. Provide a few emotionally charged scenes to scare the citizens, offer them a form of "protection" and then institute the technology in a one-way vector which points only at those on the bottom of the food chain. Same technological shit, different day. TruthMonger

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ANNOUNCEMENT Crypto Forum May 22, 1997, New York City
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications > <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> >From: "Abramson, Ron" <abramson(a)HUGHESHUBBARD.COM> >Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT Crypto Forum May 22, 1997, New York City > >Cryptography Forum >May 22, 1997 at 7:00 p.m. >Association of the Bar of the City of New York >22 West 44th Street, New York City > >Interested persons are invited to attend. No fee or >reservation is required. > >TITLE OF PROGRAM: >Guns, Ammunition and Cryptography: Is the Government's >Policy on Digital Encryption Creating a Crisis? > >A moderated panel will discuss issues raised by the >Government's policy on cryptography. > >MODERATOR: >Charles R. Nesson, Professor, Harvard Law School > >PANELISTS: >Jim Bidzos >President and CEO, RSA Data Security, Inc. > >Scott Charney >Computer Crime Unit, Department of Justice > >Kenneth W. Dam >Professor, University of Chicago Law School; Chair, >National Research Council Committee to Study National >Cryptography Policy > >Dorothy E. Denning >Professor, Computer Science Department, Georgetown >University > >David J. Farber >Professor, Computer and Information Science and Electrical >Engineering Departments, University of Pennsylvania > >Marc Rotenberg >Director, Electronic Privacy Information Center > >Sponsored by the Committees on Computer Law, Civil Rights, >Science and the Law, and Symposia, of the Association of >the Bar of the City of New York > >For additional information, e-mail jzammit(a)fulbright.com or >dcohen(a)bway.net > > # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: War & InfoWar
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: >Ah. A 90's version of Freddy Hayek's "Road to Serfdom", maybe? >A turn-of-the-new-century Phabian Society needs a Stalin to make it's >dreams reality? > >Be careful what you wish for, ladies and germs... ............................................................. Well, now, what exactly do you mean? How does this relate to bombing a village, with all its communists & captives, out of existence? .. Blanc .. Blanc

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Re: `careerpunks'
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > Seems to me many of the `cypherpunks' have become `careerpunks' and > are now more interested in trading crypto tips, trade gossip, than in > cypherpunks projects. > > They went through the phase of buying kewl domain names (take a look > down the subscriber lists), tinkering with remailers, and have now > graduated to making money from crypto consulting, and lost interest in > the issues where they don't add to the bottom line. People go through life changes and often try on different types of attire/lifestyles at various points along their time-line. Hopefully, they gather a few viewpoints and ideals along the way which will stay with them throughout the outward changes in their interests and directions in life. Doubtlessly, the cypherpunks list has sown many seeds of free thought which are growing in different ways throughout the cryptography industry. If enough of these seeds have sprouted successfully then there us always the possibility that the discussions on this list will play a part in a modicum of free thought being a part of the process by which future corporate decisions are made. Once one's consciousness (and conscience) has been exposed to a variety of viewpoints and influences it is harder to dismiss the views of others out-of-hand. Immersing oneself in a narrower technological arena of crypto interest such as is provided on the coderpunks and cryptography list is no doubt beneficial to increased crypto-technical expertise. For those who choose to retain their soul in the process, the cypherpunks list serves as an island of anarchy in which the tendency to merge into corporate robot- icism can be countered. TruthMonger

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by announce＠lists.zdnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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DARPA & Networking
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- May be of interest: == Forwarded Message Follows ======================================= From: Amnon Till <amnont(a)beitberl.beitberl.ac.il> To: gsunet-l(a)bgu.edu Subject: The DARPA site http://www.arpa.mil/ DARPA is the Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency. We all know that DARPA initiated in the late 60's project ARPA, which was omne of the current internet's roots. If we want to read more about DARPA, its projects, mission statements history etc etc this is your site. Bye Amnon amnont(a)beitberl.beitberl.ac.il - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 97 09:20:19 -0000 (B+2) From: Amnon Till <amnont(a)beitberl.beitberl.ac.il> To: gsunet-l(a)bgu.edu Subject: The future of Networking Technologies for learning http://www.ed.gov/Technology/Futures/ This site was put by the US Dept. of Edu. office of Edu. Technology. It is a series of papers & workshops dealing with the subject of the futuristic use of networking in education written by several experts in this area. Bye Amnon amnont(a)beitberl.beitberl.ac.il ====================================================================== Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! -> http://www.epic.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... "Use a cipher - be free!" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBM3gGATltEBIEF0MBAQEa4Af9HXJw5SJGOTTlsUMWiSOyAy5dFPL+bFoY RBvkR2wG4Cj5S17abX4+JFHpHa0bZGrnAUCeFKPfA60D3lo3iWtYMJZriET2qeSX FjJdIkY+jMo8FIi/KQ62YC03vQr7Gk1cwQbFMq5A5yKh6gXLlDoilXnCG9PrtWKb uI5Bhzxl4/cxhFFyEdmFvFOXdhw+gjKzkbghIFgHyUbgvFitk/w8bBatApsdamAn qtBontHoPBavDykixeJgJt2W/bOM6VHmHoCy7e2zIGqqCO5/+45gHO7lwAFEpANd Hv0sQzR6XFugJY/TAcWgDWfczjg5QsDhq5rWcfI5pVtLydiOxBM7fA== =i+Qz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: `careerpunks'
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > Seems to me many of the `cypherpunks' have become `careerpunks' and > are now more interested in trading crypto tips, trade gossip, than in > cypherpunks projects. > > They went through the phase of buying kewl domain names (take a look > down the subscriber lists), tinkering with remailers, and have now > graduated to making money from crypto consulting, and lost interest in > the issues where they don't add to the bottom line. I disagree with your analysis. I'm working for a number of large companies as a consultant. At each of them, I think I've done things that substantially imrpove customer privacy. At one, I may have sold them on role certificates "This certifies that the bearer can access account 345567734545435." As opposed to "This is John Smith." I think thats a huge win for privacy advocates, and hey, it saves them work and money to do it this way. I could not have convinced these people by posting to cypherpunks. Selling your services does not involve selling out. Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: Copy of: UK TTP Paper - For Your Information
by Hodge Podge 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon, 12 May 1997 Theodor.SCHLICKMANN(a)BXL.DG13.cec.be wrote: > As further discussed in the answer to question 4, we can > confirm that we do not propose that the user be required to escrow his > private signature key (however generated) with a TTP. [snip] > If, however, the TTP either generates the > confidentiality key pair for a user, or, for example, certifies a > self-generated public key for confidentiality, then escrow of the > associated private key would be required under our proposals. This doesn't make much sense to me. If I were to use such a UTP[*] then I'd simply get my signature key authenticated and then use that to sign all my encryption keys rather than getting the UTP to sign them. So I'd get the benefits of a recognized authentication on my keys without having to worry about key surrender to governments. We don't _need_ to have anyone authenticate our encryption keys, just the signature keys. Or am I missing something? (Other than the obvious fact that this is just the thin end of the wedge) - -- HP [*] UTP == Untrusted Third Party -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Charset: noconv iQDzAwUBM3hStrmgWaN4MfkFAQH0WQbwg2Nj7+DdY5LXnqinjjhiJQCVbumMHbpD yGHsoJJDY8BdvgtfPKBqFWSZ1OCvqYaM2M87xK5lF6qdVyESVOcr9GKuB3Cpafhk WPwBOjcdYbL+WzsAo5T8gUH7HFv1dGI0/lMfsc42ik/Wl54YIWeWQr5ptDXpABd7 sSbgr0jjPKoqO2pyAYPS9c3mXooES99zRBDB5edWPf4ACF0u8DcMawZUuAcD+hTH ILZV80VAnOIKKidRqNry5z90/z0L8F3qVklLRYX5qGyxZE60PEbECSE2lxjio/kh PfbpoQCb =ETNt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Crypto AG web site
by 3umoelle＠informatik.uni-hamburg.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Thanks to comprehensive ciphering expertise and 45 years of experience, the Zug/Switzerland based company enjoys an excellent reputation all around the world and is trusted by customers in over 130 countries in all continents." http://www.crypto.ch

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Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue May 13 12:16:27 1997 > Better yet, use their own tactics against them. Order tons of bomb > making materials in the name of their secretaries and have them sent to > their work and their homes. > heh.. > Send them AOL disks that contain hidden files with the bomb stuff. > > Then call the postal inspectors anonymously and point them at the > "evidence." > > :) You know.. this has potential... :) - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzM2vJwAAAEH/1uuDgh1udD+DbU9ies8Lst3j7bmlM+m+aN0gVwerfx+uA14 AG6RDZwwCLwCZYxh0/AizW1b25nHs5XDFW7QIVo1/agtbyz3rt7plcp3wi+rXPxo zFPgILegG2k81mHYIYVJ1g9bEExVGsNc7GMthkaOjPL2VYirQPRtAa4ZZc6JuCLH I85xIcwuLppYajUU4WMMf4yz+5w1WtTlHdL9+ec6BHoF+fOhsF/8DMd5nveFl0aM G52t+z6okMw9vFjLbEtj0BbDRsMjRJNM5uFQWzU+nPEaUzVP+MySe/yrjR2P3dZa UKjpG3Er7U4DV7rb8mE20Wet10jJoALjG8yMZrUABRG0HVRoZSBTcGVjdHJlIDxz cGVjdHJlQG5hYy5uZXQ+iQEVAwUQM0qy66AC4xvMjGa1AQGNLAf/QY5SyC/jybOQ asYfNqhPFip0gZwUutOOgPdyrEsXoxFOWJ9OG95dzvNJ3of22zh4RLusUt5NT7lB DFUKiP4aQsNf5XmW+qk/R1nmqyO/XHAAAdIos2SGsYew2d3JatIlFZIQ+vMkEOC0 +oPotz7effhkDKeYl+Qdla9eZ1C47Be2NrA1sH26jKYhCob6VnAK+zAin8ZPEnb0 XEKQTMVdE2ehv2Q8PxygZhDI0L6sM6EgguvDWjJuGN4bIhxh22dAyNRJ7CVQsqwV rj4TtkAuqUb0nyQvD2xUeJcB/O+1LCH7oFBE4EG1qEIl7asVjEURrfej7OwxRrA0 J0Lc5tZToA== =tS4W - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBM3iT3aAC4xvMjGa1AQEeKgf/UmjBnVVImpkY+f+LpUk1LFIBGotI31gH 71hNoyxxND776GW681ghS5MU5duzvboDxT9cWixDGkNWtjDFvnEooR5Pio+rrUQa +joApKSzs/zVsKi91KGb+tRIN6Q6+hVdneoTN7HAhEGCeQXQ/Aqa4mYT3nid1iLJ n1h3dvC2co7rU00CxFxDhzhYxKKd4lVyEC0IYv4xSZ20Hhe8PNIUc57mccpv/TeC W0zVhMjfPMUoB/OLLmiPtiCc5clxT1EJMwD/vVRH9mjAPjOIAyjui9NFdO2DqCEO +FYWeBC0zsUh18dZIO6sQf5LVJOOuDPB23/nSdjvPXYownpuqjqxTg== =0ZkT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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