December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: `careerpunks'
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > Seems to me many of the `cypherpunks' have become `careerpunks' and > are now more interested in trading crypto tips, trade gossip, than in > cypherpunks projects. > > They went through the phase of buying kewl domain names (take a look > down the subscriber lists), tinkering with remailers, and have now > graduated to making money from crypto consulting, and lost interest in > the issues where they don't add to the bottom line. People go through life changes and often try on different types of attire/lifestyles at various points along their time-line. Hopefully, they gather a few viewpoints and ideals along the way which will stay with them throughout the outward changes in their interests and directions in life. Doubtlessly, the cypherpunks list has sown many seeds of free thought which are growing in different ways throughout the cryptography industry. If enough of these seeds have sprouted successfully then there us always the possibility that the discussions on this list will play a part in a modicum of free thought being a part of the process by which future corporate decisions are made. Once one's consciousness (and conscience) has been exposed to a variety of viewpoints and influences it is harder to dismiss the views of others out-of-hand. Immersing oneself in a narrower technological arena of crypto interest such as is provided on the coderpunks and cryptography list is no doubt beneficial to increased crypto-technical expertise. For those who choose to retain their soul in the process, the cypherpunks list serves as an island of anarchy in which the tendency to merge into corporate robot- icism can be countered. TruthMonger

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17 Dec '03

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DARPA & Networking
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- May be of interest: == Forwarded Message Follows ======================================= From: Amnon Till <amnont(a)beitberl.beitberl.ac.il> To: gsunet-l(a)bgu.edu Subject: The DARPA site http://www.arpa.mil/ DARPA is the Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency. We all know that DARPA initiated in the late 60's project ARPA, which was omne of the current internet's roots. If we want to read more about DARPA, its projects, mission statements history etc etc this is your site. Bye Amnon amnont(a)beitberl.beitberl.ac.il - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 97 09:20:19 -0000 (B+2) From: Amnon Till <amnont(a)beitberl.beitberl.ac.il> To: gsunet-l(a)bgu.edu Subject: The future of Networking Technologies for learning http://www.ed.gov/Technology/Futures/ This site was put by the US Dept. of Edu. office of Edu. Technology. It is a series of papers & workshops dealing with the subject of the futuristic use of networking in education written by several experts in this area. Bye Amnon amnont(a)beitberl.beitberl.ac.il ====================================================================== Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! -> http://www.epic.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... "Use a cipher - be free!" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBM3gGATltEBIEF0MBAQEa4Af9HXJw5SJGOTTlsUMWiSOyAy5dFPL+bFoY RBvkR2wG4Cj5S17abX4+JFHpHa0bZGrnAUCeFKPfA60D3lo3iWtYMJZriET2qeSX FjJdIkY+jMo8FIi/KQ62YC03vQr7Gk1cwQbFMq5A5yKh6gXLlDoilXnCG9PrtWKb uI5Bhzxl4/cxhFFyEdmFvFOXdhw+gjKzkbghIFgHyUbgvFitk/w8bBatApsdamAn qtBontHoPBavDykixeJgJt2W/bOM6VHmHoCy7e2zIGqqCO5/+45gHO7lwAFEpANd Hv0sQzR6XFugJY/TAcWgDWfczjg5QsDhq5rWcfI5pVtLydiOxBM7fA== =i+Qz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: `careerpunks'
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > Seems to me many of the `cypherpunks' have become `careerpunks' and > are now more interested in trading crypto tips, trade gossip, than in > cypherpunks projects. > > They went through the phase of buying kewl domain names (take a look > down the subscriber lists), tinkering with remailers, and have now > graduated to making money from crypto consulting, and lost interest in > the issues where they don't add to the bottom line. I disagree with your analysis. I'm working for a number of large companies as a consultant. At each of them, I think I've done things that substantially imrpove customer privacy. At one, I may have sold them on role certificates "This certifies that the bearer can access account 345567734545435." As opposed to "This is John Smith." I think thats a huge win for privacy advocates, and hey, it saves them work and money to do it this way. I could not have convinced these people by posting to cypherpunks. Selling your services does not involve selling out. Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: Copy of: UK TTP Paper - For Your Information
by Hodge Podge 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon, 12 May 1997 Theodor.SCHLICKMANN(a)BXL.DG13.cec.be wrote: > As further discussed in the answer to question 4, we can > confirm that we do not propose that the user be required to escrow his > private signature key (however generated) with a TTP. [snip] > If, however, the TTP either generates the > confidentiality key pair for a user, or, for example, certifies a > self-generated public key for confidentiality, then escrow of the > associated private key would be required under our proposals. This doesn't make much sense to me. If I were to use such a UTP[*] then I'd simply get my signature key authenticated and then use that to sign all my encryption keys rather than getting the UTP to sign them. So I'd get the benefits of a recognized authentication on my keys without having to worry about key surrender to governments. We don't _need_ to have anyone authenticate our encryption keys, just the signature keys. Or am I missing something? (Other than the obvious fact that this is just the thin end of the wedge) - -- HP [*] UTP == Untrusted Third Party -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Charset: noconv iQDzAwUBM3hStrmgWaN4MfkFAQH0WQbwg2Nj7+DdY5LXnqinjjhiJQCVbumMHbpD yGHsoJJDY8BdvgtfPKBqFWSZ1OCvqYaM2M87xK5lF6qdVyESVOcr9GKuB3Cpafhk WPwBOjcdYbL+WzsAo5T8gUH7HFv1dGI0/lMfsc42ik/Wl54YIWeWQr5ptDXpABd7 sSbgr0jjPKoqO2pyAYPS9c3mXooES99zRBDB5edWPf4ACF0u8DcMawZUuAcD+hTH ILZV80VAnOIKKidRqNry5z90/z0L8F3qVklLRYX5qGyxZE60PEbECSE2lxjio/kh PfbpoQCb =ETNt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Crypto AG web site
by 3umoelle＠informatik.uni-hamburg.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Thanks to comprehensive ciphering expertise and 45 years of experience, the Zug/Switzerland based company enjoys an excellent reputation all around the world and is trusted by customers in over 130 countries in all continents." http://www.crypto.ch

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Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue May 13 12:16:27 1997 > Better yet, use their own tactics against them. Order tons of bomb > making materials in the name of their secretaries and have them sent to > their work and their homes. > heh.. > Send them AOL disks that contain hidden files with the bomb stuff. > > Then call the postal inspectors anonymously and point them at the > "evidence." > > :) You know.. this has potential... :) - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzM2vJwAAAEH/1uuDgh1udD+DbU9ies8Lst3j7bmlM+m+aN0gVwerfx+uA14 AG6RDZwwCLwCZYxh0/AizW1b25nHs5XDFW7QIVo1/agtbyz3rt7plcp3wi+rXPxo zFPgILegG2k81mHYIYVJ1g9bEExVGsNc7GMthkaOjPL2VYirQPRtAa4ZZc6JuCLH I85xIcwuLppYajUU4WMMf4yz+5w1WtTlHdL9+ec6BHoF+fOhsF/8DMd5nveFl0aM G52t+z6okMw9vFjLbEtj0BbDRsMjRJNM5uFQWzU+nPEaUzVP+MySe/yrjR2P3dZa UKjpG3Er7U4DV7rb8mE20Wet10jJoALjG8yMZrUABRG0HVRoZSBTcGVjdHJlIDxz cGVjdHJlQG5hYy5uZXQ+iQEVAwUQM0qy66AC4xvMjGa1AQGNLAf/QY5SyC/jybOQ asYfNqhPFip0gZwUutOOgPdyrEsXoxFOWJ9OG95dzvNJ3of22zh4RLusUt5NT7lB DFUKiP4aQsNf5XmW+qk/R1nmqyO/XHAAAdIos2SGsYew2d3JatIlFZIQ+vMkEOC0 +oPotz7effhkDKeYl+Qdla9eZ1C47Be2NrA1sH26jKYhCob6VnAK+zAin8ZPEnb0 XEKQTMVdE2ehv2Q8PxygZhDI0L6sM6EgguvDWjJuGN4bIhxh22dAyNRJ7CVQsqwV rj4TtkAuqUb0nyQvD2xUeJcB/O+1LCH7oFBE4EG1qEIl7asVjEURrfej7OwxRrA0 J0Lc5tZToA== =tS4W - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBM3iT3aAC4xvMjGa1AQEeKgf/UmjBnVVImpkY+f+LpUk1LFIBGotI31gH 71hNoyxxND776GW681ghS5MU5duzvboDxT9cWixDGkNWtjDFvnEooR5Pio+rrUQa +joApKSzs/zVsKi91KGb+tRIN6Q6+hVdneoTN7HAhEGCeQXQ/Aqa4mYT3nid1iLJ n1h3dvC2co7rU00CxFxDhzhYxKKd4lVyEC0IYv4xSZ20Hhe8PNIUc57mccpv/TeC W0zVhMjfPMUoB/OLLmiPtiCc5clxT1EJMwD/vVRH9mjAPjOIAyjui9NFdO2DqCEO +FYWeBC0zsUh18dZIO6sQf5LVJOOuDPB23/nSdjvPXYownpuqjqxTg== =0ZkT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Infowar, war, and cpunks
by Michael Wilson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If any cpunk is interested in infowar, but with a strong crypto perspective, help yourself to: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/4843/ MW

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Eternity server considerations and musings
by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I spent some considerable time today thinking about the eternity server idea proposed, and implemented in alpha stage, by Adam Back. The main method used by governments around the world so far to attempt to censor information has been the use, or proposal of, proxy servers for whole countries or jurisdictions. This method has only thus far been used to censor www connections, and has been used to censor specific sites, hence the use of mirroring to circumvent government censorship. To give an overview of the eternity server idea for those who didn`t see the original post the idea was that a non existant virtual TLD .eternity would be used to access HTML posted to usenet. So to access a site that was at say bombmaking.terrorist.com/assasination/killing.html you would send your browser to: http://bombmaking.terrorist.com.eternity/assasination/killing.html The assumption being that the distributed nature of usenet would not allow censorship. The proxies idea however can be extended to censor usenet, usenet traffic, although pretty huge, is not yet too large to be grep`d for keywords (currently around 600mb of traffic a day passes through the newsgroups) before being proxied, so a government can run a server which first checks to ensure the usenet article is not encrypted (this can be done crudely by checking for occurances of common words or by checking the redundancy of the text by attempting to compress it) and if it is encrypted junks it, if it is plaintext, greps it for keywords like "assasination", "anarchy", "porn" etc... then kills the articles that have these words in them, the other articles the government does not want to censor are put on a main server like news.fourth-reich.de and access blocked to all the other news servers. I know this might seem an unlikely scenario but it is not really when we consider the wacky ideas we have seen from governments in recent years, a dictatorship like France or Germany might begin implementing this within a few years, although the German government has had it`s fingers burnt recently with the Radikal fiasco. What I was considering was the possibility of circumventing proxies altogether, this is not an easy question and I could not think of one single way to get access, of course one could use and ISP outside of the jurisdiction but this incurs internation call charges for dial up users, and the gubmint of fascist-regime-N can block telephone access to internet POPs outside of their country. The problem with attempting to prevent censorship of usenet is that we cannot mirror it like we can web sites, the web is too huge for a government to mirror the whole of the "acceptable" part of it, so mirroring sites faster than they can block them is effective, usenet is too small to protect in this way, it could be effectively mirrored and all other access killed. Of course while we can mirror sites to prevent censorship this is almost an academic question, rather than a practical one, however, it would be nice to see a more robust system which thwarted all attempts to censor without the need for human intervention by mirroring sites etc. I can see no way that a government can censor internal traffic within a country, because this need not pass through the proxy, so if we can get a copy of a document onto one server within a country all others can access it through a virtual URL. However, this is likely to incur the displeasure of the authorities in that country and have them knocking at the door of the owner of the server holding the document, so we would have to have a system for server anonymity. This is all getting very complicated ;-) Anyway, as I have said, I can give no insight here into what is a possible solution, I hope that this post might cause someone who does have the beginnings of an idea to think about it some more and maybe give us a really robust solution to preventing censorship of this kind. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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test cp@cyberpass.net 10:10a pdt ignore
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

# Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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