December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [rant] Re: Any info on the "Victim's Rights" Constitutional amendment?
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greg Broiles, whose rants seem to be more informative and entertaining than his legal opinions, and who could be the Johnny Cochrane of the McVeigh trial, wrote: > At 09:22 PM 4/17/97 -0700, Alan Olsen wrote: > >Yesterday i saw a report on one of the news websites about Clinton pushing > >for some sort of Victim's Rights Constitutional amendment. > > > >Does anyone have any additional details on this? > > Sens. Feinstein and Kyl are co-sponsoring this amendment. To become part of > the Constitution, it must be approved by a 2/3 majority in both the House and > the Senate, then be ratified by 38 state legislatures. According to Kyl's web > page, this is the text of the proposed amendment: > > Section 1. To ensure that the victim is treated with fairness, dignity, and > respect, from the occurrence of a crime of violence and other crimes as may > be defined by law pursuant to section two of this article, and throughout the > criminal, military, and juvenile justice processes, as a matter of > fundamental rights to liberty, justice, and due process, the victim shall > have the following rights: to be informed of and given the opportunity to be > present at every proceeding in which those rights are extended to the accused > or convicted offender; to be heard at any proceeding involving sentencing, > including the right to object to a previously negotiated plea, or a release > from custody; to be informed of any release or escape; and to a speedy trial, > a final conclusion free from unreasonable delay, full restitution from the > convicted offender, reasonable measures to protect the victim from violence > or intimidation by the accused or convicted offender, and notice of the > victim's rights. We've already got this in Canada. Now the focus has shifted even further against the accused, with great outcry about the fact that the accused are causing great emotional grief to the victims and their families by being so bold as to try to defend themselves from the often irrational assaults on the accused and/or convicted. There is talk of further legislation which would effectively make all perceived victims angelic creatures and all perceived criminals violent, drug-dealing, commie-pinko perverts with no right to defend themselves. (And this is just on the jaywalking charges. Any more serious offences will increase the imbalance of judical powers to suppress the defence.) > (The rights of defendants > pretrial aren't what you'd expect if you've been to a public high school and > have heard the nice stories about "innocent until proven guilty". Accused > persons in criminal cases face serious restrictions on their liberty before > they're even formally charged; these changes are not new. > > The amendment will also likely result in less accurate trials and less > preparation on the part of defense counsel, because it gives the "victim" a > right to a speedy trial. This is bad for defendants, because it denies them > meaningful due process, and it's bad for victims who want "closure" because > it's likely to result in retrials when the due process was so crappy that the > trial didn't meet even the relatively lax standards of the Rehnquist court. > But, hey, it sounds good on TV. It shouldn't be long before "True Stories of the Highway Patrol" is immediately followed by C-Span legislative sessions enacting new legislation to deal with the perpetrators just apprehended, with "Night Court" immediately following, wherein the defendants are judged and sentenced. > We (as a society) need to decide if we want criminal trials to be about > trying to decide (beyond a reasonable doubt) whether or not someone's guilty > of a crime, or if we want them to be satisfying emotional soap-opera-style > theatrical pieces. This victims' rights crap (and the recent legislation > passed, *specifically intended to overrule the decisions of the judge > presiding over the Oklahoma City bombing trial*, as well as recent changes to > the California Evidence Code making it easier to admit evidence about prior > bad acts by defendants and otherwise inadmissible hearsay by "victims") does > a good job of moving us closer to the latter, but if that's what we want I > don't see why we don't just abandon trials entirely and simply torture people > who look like they're probably criminals until they die or confess. (and then > we kill them; after all, they confessed.) You mean like they do in Texas? > I think it's very, very bad to get so excited about punishing someone in an > emotionally or symbolically attractive fashion that we screw up trials, which > are intended to ensure that innocent people don't get punished. If we make it > difficult or impossible to get a fair trial, the only thing standing between > any of us and prison (or worse) is dumb luck and our ability/willingness to > remain in the good graces of the current powers that be. A good point, but your putting it in a future tense indicates that you don't get out enough. (Which is not a criticism, since I'm staying in a lot more, myself, these days. I'm afraid of getting shot by a cop while running from a criminal, or vice-versa.) -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Missing Jet [update]
by Alec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Subject: Re: Missing Jet >Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 09:33:05 -0400 >x-sender: jordan1(a)macandco.com >From: Jordan <jordan(a)macandco.com> >To: "Alec" <camcc(a)abraxis.com> Update: http://cnn.com/US/9704/17/missing.warplane/index.html jmcc

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17 Dec '03

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by Rose 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Web Tools and Resource Download
by Web FormPAL 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Liberal party: definitely no crypto ban in Germany
by 3umoelle＠informatik.uni-hamburg.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Germany's liberal party FDP, which forms the government together with the larger Christian Democrats (CDU), has announced that they will not accept any restrictions to the use of cryptography. Yesterday the German Bundestag began to debate the draft Information and Communication Services Law (see http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ckuner/homepage.htm for information about that draft). Both Minister of Justice Schmidt-Jortzig and FDP research politics speaker Laermann said that cryptography must not be banned. Laermann said the FDP will definitely not accept any crypto law that restricts or bans using cryptography. "I say this in the knowledge that what is desired herewith firstly is technically impossible, and secondly it cannot be allowed to give up protection of private, economic and - I say this from personal first hand, I may say bitter experience - scientific data from unauthorized, unfair and even criminal doings. The FDP will not allow that." The FDP supports the draft Digital Signature Law, but will resist any attempts to abuse the security infrascture as an entry into crypto regulation. Until recently, the FDP position on cryptography has been indifferent. Early this year FDP politicians have begun to verbosely contradict those in the CDU that want to restrict cryptography. In March, Minister of Justice Schmidt-Jortzig said at a North German FDP convention: "Currently there exist demands to ban cryptography or to deposit all keys with a central authority that can then arbitrarily decrypt messages. Those demands are deeply illiberal." The convention passed a resolution saying that "Nobody may restrict the citicens' right to use encryption to protect their data from unauthorized access by third parties." The Bundestag vice president Burkhard Hirsch published a statement on the FDP web server, saying that banning cryptography clearly is pointless, and precisely for that reason not even the Third Reich or East Germany had tried to do so. In a letter to the newsmagazine Spiegel, he wrote: "You could laugh your head off, if you didn't know that they really mean it."

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Proposed Addendum to International Standards
by Eric Hughes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was, for some reason, browsing ISO two letter country codes today and came upon such oddities as EM Office for Harmonization in the Internal Market (Trademarks and Designs) (OHIM) So I decided we needed some new ones, since it wasn't just for countries anymore. CB Cyberspace CP Cypherspace Cyberspace, the domain of electronic communication. Cypherspace, the domain of encrypted and untraceable electronic communication. Do you think we can get ISO to approve it? Better yet, do you think we could get some of those oval stickers like you see on European cars? I'm sure Ian will want some little ones for his Pilot. And now all we need is an ISO 639 natural language identifier for ciphertext. How about "xx"? Eric

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Re: Advocating Violence
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk >To: Kent Crispin <kent(a)songbird.com> >Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:17:29 +0000 >Subject: Re: Advocating Violence Paul said: > > You may well argue that my idea of rights is a misinterpretation, I > > could give you a number of examples of why this is not so. Kent said: > > More likely I would argue that your idea of rights is simply a > religious belief, and, like many zealots, you confuse your beliefs > with reality and reason. Kent, you smug and arrogant pampered child! To denigrate another because he _may_ have ideas based on religious beliefs is a typical of your ad hominem style of argument. Nothing Paul has said would mark him as a zealot, which term you use too loosely and unwittingly. "Reality and reason?" You who have recently implied that the death camps of Europe are not a part of the reality of the 20th century. Previously I had pitied you for continuing to bash your head into a wall with your specious arguments thinking it was mere stupidity! Not stupidity honestly come by, but abysmal ignorance nurtured by one who sits isolated and ignorant on his ivory tower. With a certain satisfaction I see now that all the dung heaped upon you and your vacuuous logic is honestly earned and completely deserved. If I did not weep for the educational system which _produced_ you, I would laugh at you. TruthMonger #20

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Re: InterNet Free Terra
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Here are some more mirror-sites of the anarchist "Radikal"-magazine: > http://huizen.dds.nl/~tank/radikal > http://burn.ucsd.edu/%7Eats/RADIKAL/ > http://www.jca.or.jp/~taratta/mirror/radikal/ > http://huizen.dds.nl/~radikal/154/ > http://www.canucksoup.net/radikal/index.html > http://www.ecn.org/radikal > http://www.well.com/~declan/mirrors/ > http://www.connix.com/~harry/radikal/index.htm > http://www.anok4u2.org/radikal/ > http://www.denhaag.org/~radikal > http://emma.unm.edu/radikal > http://www.tacacs.com/radikal/" > http://users.abcs.com/dockmstr/mirror/radikal/index.htm > http://home.ipr.nl/~radikal/ > http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~irdial/live_free/ > http://zero.tolerance.org/radi/index.htm > http://www.meaning.com/library/radikal/ > http://www.wfmusic.fi/~toni/radikal > http://www.euronet.nl/users/funest/radi/index.htm > http://www.lab.net/radikal > http://www.charm.net/~gbarren/radikal > http://login.datashopper.dk/~pethern/not_by_me_not_my_views/radikal/ > http://radikal.autono.net./rad > http://brazil.nbn.com/radikal/ > http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~fubuki71/mirror/radikal/ > http://www.design.nl/~bram/radikal/ > http://www.eskimo.com/~quawk/radikal/ > http://www.calyx.com/~refuse/radikal/ > http://www.grfn.org/~rtwo > http://www.grfn.org:4380 xs4all port mirror > http://www.cyberpass.net/radikal > http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeroenw/radikal/ > http://catalog.com/jamesd/radikal/ > http://www.islandnet.com/freedom/radikal/ > http://www.binary.net/mishania/radikal/ > http://www.io.com/~gbroiles/radikal.html > http://inet.uni-c.dk/~pethern/radikal.154.txt radikal 154 in plaintext > ascii. > http://www.moebius.com.au/radikal/ > http://www.moebius.net/radikal/ > http://interpia.net/~baldodum/radikal/index.htm > http://www.firstfloor.org/~vaclav/radikal > http://www.nyct.net/~malba/radikal/ Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! -> http://www.epic.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBM1gWtTltEBIEF0MBAQHBkgf+LHnES8nwFltcynOJk3sbJBD4QtSAVHX0 H/7VFA+v1deRfcKzC9ZtcOYJdrTwDPHsbzZZgCrwTyQn4/BYoZuX8Lvvpi0VwL5b r6N9auGMQCzOqIPAjkvTwEP+qR3aP56rEWHKzCPGzIgP/bojhelMujTxvhBjPRFC Bt5M6soavEwXboYv8lSla4QBvYpJsk5FFdbALCsZxibp3iceLwZ6T3zX/BWaxAN0 P8GazaluyXDc87ZKEk9fvZM5bN6jAHNC58n7g9A6PbJ6Bbk+hkdP0auQCGqVBbT0 gNOgbSG3u0YqbAlXvei5kAT2lCkBGm0HubTHhhpysoVC2scdWW0mlg== =riVf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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State of the Nation
by Shift Control 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Introducing.... The State of the Nation Issue of Shift Control If aliens landed in Britain with the aim of finding out what's up these days, they'd be in for a confusing time. Politicians - our leaders - are being chased by headless chickens and hacks on smack, while other hacks rage against "sleaze" and try to be politicians themselves. Unemployment figures are down, though they might be up. Ministers disagree with their parties while simultaneously agreeing with their parties. When we think we're eating lamb we might be eating beef. And millions of people buy Spice Girls records. It'll take more than a fancy spaceship to figure out the state of the nation these days. Undaunted, we decided to have a go anyway in this week's issue of Shift Control. We've asked Johnny Foreigner to give us an outsider's view of Britain; citizens of Middle Britain send us postcards profiling life in their home towns; Robin Hunt tries the statistical approach in the hope of finding some coherent indications as to where the country's heading; and Rada Petrovic explores her local haunt - Kentish Town, London - as a microcosm of the nation. Plus our quiz asks: how wild are you about Britain? Also this week: the usual mountain of humour and perspicacity, including more memoirs from Freebee (our resident rock historian), new fiction from Miles Gregory, and, if you're quick, details on how to obtain free tickets to the fourth annual Unconvention in London. Shift Control: in a fine state and waiting for you at: http://www.shiftcontrol.com Shift Control is produced by the Guardian's New Media Lab with help from Boddingtons and Stella Artois Dry. To unsubscribe from this mailing list send e-mail to shiftcontrol-request(a)nml.guardian.co.uk with the following text in the body of the mail message: unsubscribe

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