December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: NWLibs> Re: "Suspected of purchasing diesel fuel"
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> writes: > >Objective journalism, my lily white butt. Journalists are whores - just ask Declan "Censorship" McCullough. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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ANNOUNCE: "Digital Money Online" report released 24 Feb 97
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Rachel Willmer <rachel(a)intertrader.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:53:28 +0000 From: Rachel Willmer <rachel(a)intertrader.com> To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: ANNOUNCE: "Digital Money Online" report released 24 Feb 97 Digital Money Online Intertrader Ltd February 1997 Intertrader is pleased to announce the release of this 50 page report, which compares several current and future digital money technologies, such as Mondex, Cybercash and First Virtual. Available online at <http://www.intertrader.com/library/DigitalMoneyOnline/dmo/dmo.htm> or you can download a PDF copy at <http://www.intertrader.com/library/DigitalMoneyOnline/dmo/order.htm> All comments welcome! Regards Rachel P.S. This report supersedes the previous "Electronic Transaction Protocols". -- Rachel Willmer, Intertrader Ltd, Cova House, 4 John's Place, Edinburgh Email: rachel(a)intertrader.com Tel: +44 131 555 8450 Fax: +44 131 555 8451 Sun Internet Associate and winner of 1996 SMART Award for Innovation "We develop Java Commerce Solutions" ---------- The e$ lists are brought to you by: Intertrader Ltd - Commerce Solutions in the UK Visit for details ... Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk Like e$? Help pay for it! See Or, for e$/e$pam sponsorship, see Thanks to the e$ e$lves: Of Counsel: Vinnie Moscaritolo (Majordomo)^2: Rachel Willmer Commermeister: Anthony Templer Interturge: Rodney Thayer --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

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Re: "Suspected of purchasing diesel fuel"
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> writes: > Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > > Toto wrote: > > > Who is the janitor at the Japenese embassy in New York City? > > > What is the postal code of Mule Shoe, Texas? > > > Who is buried in Grant's Tomb? > > > > Grant? > > One out of three gets you a green card, Igor. Look up the postal code > for Muleshoe, Texas, and you get a citizenship card. > If you can name the janitor at the Japanese embassy, however, you'll > probably be indicted for espionage. It's unnatural to be a U.S. citizen because most people aren't. I used to walk my dogs by Grant's tomb. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Your News from Infoseek for Saturday, March 1, 1997
by Infoseek News Center 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello abba, Here are your personal news headlines from Infoseek for Saturday, March 1, 1997. To read the latest news or search for these articles, visit the Infoseek News Center at: http://yournews.infoseek.com To view previous headlines, click the "See Older News" button. Technology News http://yournews.infoseek.com/mtechnology Fri 10:00 Lawmakers Seek Free Export of Encryption These headlines are provided by Reuters, Business Wire, and PR Newswire. ********************************************************************** To change your Infoseek News Center profile, go to http://yournews.infoseek.com/ and click "Personalize." To stop receiving personalized news e-mail from Infoseek, either: * Go to http://yournews.infoseek.com/page?pg=pro_reg.html and change your "news delivery option"; or * Reply via e-mail to this message, and put the word "cancel" in your reply's "subject" line; or * E-mail newsctr(a)infoseek.com, and put the word "cancel" in your message's "subject" line. Send comments or suggestions to: comments-news(a)infoseek.com

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Re: "Suspected of purchasing diesel fuel"
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Casey Iverson <iverson(a)usa.net> writes: > At 07:22 PM 2/28/97 EST, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > >I recall that when I was becoming a naturalized amcit circa 1986, I was aske > >a single question: name the 2 senators of New York State. These were D'Amato > >and Moynihan back then, and they still are. I've heard of cases when the IN > >didn't want someone to pass the exam, and they asked much harder questions > >which some people actually flunked. > > > Biggest mistake the INS ever made was to allow a piece of Russian dung like > *you* into the USA Vladimir Il'yich Lenin said: the capitalists will sell us the ropes on which we will hang them. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Russian Invasion
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> writes: > Casey Iverson wrote: > > > > At 07:22 PM 2/28/97 EST, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > >I recall that when I was becoming a naturalized amcit circa 1986, I was as > > >a single question: name the 2 senators of New York State. These were D'Ama > > >and Moynihan back then, and they still are. I've heard of cases when the > > >didn't want someone to pass the exam, and they asked much harder questions > > >which some people actually flunked. > > > > > > Biggest mistake the INS ever made was to allow a piece of Russian dung like > > *you* into the USA > > It's a trick. A post-Reaganite desk jockey in Washington figured out > that we could save millions of dollars in missle fuel by luring the > Russians to the U.S. and 'then' nuking them. > Now, if we could only get them to all visit Congress at the same > time... You have reached the Central Intelligence Agency Web site - running StrongHold. All of our agents are busy right now. Your session is important to us. Please remain on the socket for the next available operative. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Electronic Cash
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 18:16:03 EST From: weffross(a)counsel.com (Walter A Effross -- American Univ. - Washington ) To: rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: Electronic Cash To: rah(a)shipwright.com Inet Robert, I thought that you and the members of your group would be interested in this Symposium. Please feel free to send the information around to whatever listservs you think appropriate. Thanks! Walter THE ELECTRONIC FUTURE OF CASH - A SYMPOSIUM The Washington College of Law and the American University Law Review are proud to announce a full-day Symposium on the Electronic Future of Cash, to be held at the law school in Washington, DC on Friday, April 18, 1997 in connection with the publication of a special Symposium issue of the Law Review on this topic. The first panel, "The Technology of Electronic Cash," will include: Newsweek columnist Steven Levy; Cybercash General Counsel Russ Stevenson; Peter Wayner, author of Digital Cash: Commerce on the Internet; Gary Lorenz, General Manager of the Diebold Campus Systems Division; and a representative (invited) of the National Security Agency. This panel will examine the operation of stored value cards and encryption techniques and will include a demonstration of a "cyberpayment" made online with digital cash. The second panel, "Commentary on the Regulation of Electronic Cash," brings together the authors of articles in the Symposium issue (provided, with additional materials, to all registrants) to review and recommend regulatory efforts from the viewpoints of academics, practitioners, bankers, and consumer advocates. Panelists include: Professor Mark Budnitz, Georgia State University College of Law; Richard Field, Chair of the Electronic Commerce Payment Committee of the American Bar Association; Professor Egon Guttman, Washington College of Law; Professor David Oedel, Mercer University Law School; Simon Lelieveldt, Senior Policy Advisor, Payment Systems Policy Department, De Nederlandsche Bank (the Dutch Central Bank); and Brian Smith of Mayer, Brown & Platt. Dr. David Chaum, the founder and president of DigiCash, has been invited to give a luncheon address. The third panel, "The Perspectives of the Regulators," includes: Thomas Baxter, Jr., General Counsel of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York; William Kroener, General Counsel of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation; Michael Billsma, Acting Director, Community and Consumer Law, Office of the Comptroller of the Currency; Stephen Kroll, Legal Counsel, Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), United States Treasury Department; Scott Charney, Chief, Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section, Criminal Justice Division, Department of Justice; John Lopez, Counsel, Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy; Paul Glenn, Special Counsel, Office of Thrift Supervision; and Lucy Morris, Assistant Director for Credit Practices, Federal Trade Commission. A reception will follow. Registration fees (including lunch) are: $150 for preregistrants; $175 for registration at the door; $100 for Washington College of Law alumni; $80 for judges, law clerks, and government employees; and $40 for full-time academics. Please register early, as space may be limited. For a registration form and more information, please contact Professor Walter Effross, the Symposium's organizer and panel moderator, at (202) 274-4017, see our Symposium website at http://www.wcl.american.edu/pub/journals/lawrev/electronic_cash/con f.htm, or email: futurecash(a)wcl.american.edu. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

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by Product Link 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Depends / Re: Senate spams
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greg Broiles wrote: > At 07:27 PM 2/28/97 -0800, Toto wrote: > > Only asinine, dip-shit numbskulls would be capable of making this > >idiotic extrapolation. > Please sketch out the details of this "extrapolation". Simple enough. Snow stated: "given that there are [many some a-few] messages being sent to this list that are sent by non-human entities (bots, auto-replies, bounces etc.) is there a way to avoid propigating them." Which Greg extrapolated to suggest: "Will you count Raph's remailer statistics as "machine generated" and exclude them, too?" Which I suppose could be taken to yet another level of extrapolation by asking the question, "Will you count cc:'d messages as 'machine generated' and exclude them, too?" After which it could be further extrapolated to ask, "Will you count posts composed on computers as being 'machine generated' and exclude them, too?" Greg, in his typical muddying of the waters, tries to twist the thoughts of others around to the extent that, if one followed Greg's logic to its conclusion, one might believe snow is of the opinion that the "Welcome to Cypherpunks" message should be deleted because it is auto-generated. If this is, indeed, the case, then I would expect snow would explain his reasons for thinking thusly. > You cannot talk about spam (using the "inappropriate or off-topic message" > definition, not the "posted too many times" definition) without talking > about content. Once again, you are self-servingly using the C2nsorship definition of spam, which is not common to any of the anti-spam forums that I follow. Of course content must be taken into consideration, even in the case of auto-generated messages. Auto-generated messages, such as remailer information, can be on-topic for the list. As far as I am concerned, posts by list subscribers cannot possibly be off-topic, since it is up to the subscribers to decide what they consider to be a suitable topic for the list. > You are also talking about censorship based on content, but you don't seem > to want to admit it. Another misrepresentation on your part. All moderation/censorship is based on content. I have always maintained, however, that a rational person is capable of looking at the content, source, and destinations of a post and determining if it is shotgun-spawned crapola and/or a mailbombing or denial of service attack. > > Anyone who read my post to Igor, suggesting that I would have no > >problem > >with him intercepting autobot-replies that result from mailbomb attacks, > >also knows that I suggested even the empty spam-messages being deleted > >should be stored where they are open to scrutiny, and that I, for one, > >would indeed be scrutinizing them. > > Boy, this sounds like a really familiar system .. can't quite remember > where I've seen it used before .. Well, you certainly didn't see it on the CypherPunks list. What was seen there was a fascist takeover of the list by a dictator who relegated posts he and his employer personally disliked to the flames list. > There was some guy named Toto who wrote > to me a few weeks ago, Try including specific quotes, Greg, even if they are out-of-context. > >> I don't see anything morally wrong with deliberately altering the flow of > >> messages to and through the list, but I think it's bad form to pretend not > >> to be doing that. > > > > Who is doing this, Greg? Name names. Give us an example of who is > >doing this and pretending not to do it. Why are your claims so vague? > > Because I'm interested in talking about ideas, not people. Not just because you were blowing smoke? > I realize this > may come as something of a surprise, but there are some circumstances where > simply calling someone an "idiot" or a "liar" or saying that they've got > their employers' sperm in their mouth is not a meaningful substitute for > explaining why you think they're wrong. Never let it be said that I am one to let bad taste (pardon the pun) stand in the way of a cheap shot. And I do explain why I think you are not only wrong, but purposely attempting to misrepresent the stances taken by others. I will reiterate that I am of the belief that there should always be a completely unmoderated, uncensored CypherPunks list, and that additional, filtered lists, should be merely a conjunction to that list, in the interests of spreading information regarding strong crypto in the widest possible manner. -- Toto ----------------------------- "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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by Andy Barber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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