December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

FC: Tax the Net! Report from Capitol Hill...
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

************ Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 21:57:45 -0400 To: fight-censorship-announce(a)vorlon.mit.edu From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> Subject: FC: Tax the Net! Report from Capitol Hill... Sender: owner-fight-censorship-announce(a)vorlon.mit.edu Reply-To: declan(a)well.com X-FC-URL: Fight-Censorship is at http://www.eff.org/~declan/fc/ So I'm sitting in this rundown basement meeting room in the Rayburn House office building listening to a bunch of DC policy wonks spout off about Internet taxation. Too bad I'll have to wait to get back to the bureau to log in. Gotta get Strosser in Purchasing to get me that radio modem. It'll be great for playing networked Quake when Senate Judiciary hearings are yawners. Bruce Cohen from the Treasury Department is speaking. Horn-rimmed glasses, nondescript blue suit, definitely a geek. Tries a joke: "I hope there are no criminal tax evaders in the audience." It flubs; folks glance at each other nervously. I lean over to the guy from Cox's office next to me and whisper, "I guess that's IRS humor." He deadpans, "For what it's worth." Cohen is praising a Treasury Department white paper released last fall that says basically "No New Net Taxes." That's true. But you have to read the fine print. Which I did. That's where one finds the very clear suggestion that existing tax laws must be extended to encompass the Internet -- in the kind of clumsy and misinformed way that has typified federal forays into legislating online behavior. "We have a tax system based on a 19th century model of industry," Cohen continues. "Cash poses problems for cash administrators. Electronic cash poses additional problems." It does. The guy from IBM admitted a couple minutes ago that if I buy _physical goods_ over the Net and have 'em shipped to my zip code (20036), then the usual taxes should apply. Just like mail order. But problems arise when the product sold is virtual. If I buy a copy of an email program from Poland, pay for it with digital cash from an Amsterdam bank, and get a partial refund from a firm in Singapore, which government taxes what? No wonder the Internet Caucus decided to organize today's luncheon. Everyone on the Hill's still scratching their heads. Now Americans for Tax Reform's Jim Lucier (a longtime f-c subscriber) is at the podium. He recommends "reengineering the tax code" to address some of the unique aspects of the Net. A steely silence descends on the room. Okay, that ain't gonna happen. Too bad. Lucier is one of the few folks in the room who has a clue about the Net. To be sure, cypherpunks have anticipated these regulatory problems for years. I remember Lucky Green, a digital cash guru and veteran 'punk, stopping by my apartment last summer. Over beers, we talked crypto-anarchy: as more and more transactions move online, as more folks become "knowledge workers," as they get paid in foreign e-cash for writing or hacking code, the Feds' ability to tax income (and virtual spending) will suffer. But that doesn't mean taxes disappear. (Yeah, I know. What a shame.) Governments always will be able to tax physical purchases and meatspace property. When I buy a loaf of bread at my favorite organic grocery down on Columbia Road, the Man can monitor the grocer to ensure he reports the transaction. Or property taxes: governments will always be able to extract 'em. Taxes will shift from income to sales and property. Things are winding down. Aaron from White's office is asking for questions. Embarassed silence. Nobody asks any. Is it because nobody understands the stuff or because everybody understands the stuff? Time passes. Yep, the silence is definitely caused by nobody wanting to sound stupid. Aaron gives up. The panelists get to ask each other questions instead. Lucier starts rambling about the economics of tax policy, but nobody can understand, so we all ignore it. Then Mark Rhoads, the guy supposedly representing the state legislators, stands up. He says the only funny thing of the afternoon: "I worked for Dirksen when he wasn't a building." Or something like that. Maybe you had to be there. Anyway, he doesn't like the Cox-Wyden bill that would prevent states from taxing the Net: "I'll give you a nightmare scenario. What if you had a garage sale and invited 80 million people to your garage sale. I happen to be a collector of antique plates. The efficiency the Internet creates allows me to find people. The complications involved in taxing that at either the federal or state level are amazing." Anyone want to bet that's going to stop 'em from trying? -Declan ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is public. To join fight-censorship-announce, send "subscribe fight-censorship-announce" to majordomo(a)vorlon.mit.edu. More information is at http://www.eff.org/~declan/fc/

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Kerrey's Crypto Bill
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Declan McCullagh we offer Senator Kerrey's outline of his encryption bill, The Secure Public Network Act: http://jya.com/tspna.htm (12K)

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Re: FCPUNX:List of GAK supporters
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:01 PM 5/7/97 -0700, Lucky Green wrote: > Below is a list of the members of the "Key Recovery Alliance" who are > working hard to make the world safe for GAK. Strikingly absent from the list are Microsoft, Netscape, and Intel. Strikingly present on the list is RSA and McAfee. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Security flaw in key recovery -- you're looking at it
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:34:01 -0700 Subject: Security flaw in key recovery -- you're looking at it awww ... go ahead, show us!!!! Otherwise, I just might not believe you. [This is only a test. If I had been in a bad mood, this message would have contained the private key of the CEO of a major Entrust customer, obtained from an Entrust trusted "key safe" server. Who am I? Can Entrust or its customer's officers finger me?]

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New admin crypto policy
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It is time something unfortunate happened to all those leading the push for new crypto limits.

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Re: New admin crypto policy
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > > At 9:24 PM -0800 5/9/97, Huge Cajones Remailer wrote: > >It is time something unfortunate happened to all those leading the push > >for new crypto limits. > > You mean like attaching a new Ryder to the bill? > > --Tim McVeigh, er, May The story so far: Mr. Nobody sends a message to the cypherpunks list via an anonymous remailer suggesting that someone ought to fuck with Cyberpromo. Cyberpromo gets fucked with shortly thereafter. Mr. Nobody sends a message to the cypherpunks list suggesting that it's time for something unfortunate to happen to those leading the push for new crypto limits. Perhaps someone should start a betting pool to guess whether the spooks are taking aim at the remailers or if they are setting up a particular cypherpunk, instead. We could start a betting pool to guess who will shortly have something "unfortunate" happen to them, but that might get the winner in a lot of trouble. TruthMcVeigh

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Re: Wine Politics Again!
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:26 PM 5/9/97 -0800, Tim May wrote: >Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right thing. >Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all that. ...................................................... Timothy must be drunk; I can't believe he said this. Because he wouldn't spend so much time writing sensible things of Truth & Light, if he thought the better thing to do for achieving libertarian values was to kill so indiscriminately with a bomb. After all, he subscribes to utmost discrimination. So I think right now he's less in the engagement of Reason and more under the influence of maybe some Bud Light. .. Blanc .. Blanc

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17 Dec '03

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[STEGO] Certified primes
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy Maya is just a poor excuse for an unschooled, retarded thug. ____ \ _/__ Timothy Maya \\ / \/

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Now read the Interactive Journal without Logging In
by WSJ Interactive Edition Editors 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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