December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Tim McVeigh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Thanks for your support.
by John Denver 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks, I'd like to thank my many fans on the list for their support for my latest album. You've been great. Sorry I can't take time to chat, but I've got to get out to the ranch and deliver some supplies for spring planting. My truck broke down this morning, so I had to rent one. I've got to pick up some fertilizer for the fields, and diesel fuel for the tractors. I've also got to stop by the Federal Building in Denver and drop off the money order for that traffic ticket I got last week, so I've got to run. John Denver

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Social Security Public Forums
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: john.t.sabo(a)ssa.gov Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 18:30:41 -0500 To: members(a)lists.Commerce.Net MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at lists.Commerce.Net Cc: john.t.sabo(a)s3abac8.ns1.barrnet.net MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at lists.Commerce.Net Subject: Social Security Public Forums Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: members-owner(a)ssa.gov Precedence: bulk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ This message was addressed to: members(a)lists.commerce.net +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Fellow Commercenet Members: I wanted to make you and your companies aware of an important series of six National Forums that the Social Security Administration will be conducting throughout the country beginning May 5 through the week of June 9, in which SSA will seek public input and expert advice about the appropriate customer authentication and privacy safeguards needed to support SSA's Internet transaction services and ensure public trust. The forums are in response to the media and public concerns raised about our test of Interactive PEBES, which allowed individuals to request a Personal Earnings and Benefit Estimate Statement from SSA online and receive the response online, rather than via the mail, after providing five knowledge-based customer authenticating elements. The initial concerns were centered about the use of the five elements, but media attention soon extended to a range of intermingled Internet and security concerns. As a result, we suspended the test and announced a 60-day period of expert and public input on this important public policy issue. We invite interested CommerceNet members to consider participating in the forums and offering your expert opinion to the government. I'm including current information about the forums, and expect to have more details shortly. I'll be contacting members I know who have expressed interest in providing input, but would welcome hearing from other companies who would like to participate in informed public discussion and public education. John Sabo Social Security Administration --------------------------------------------------------------------- Social Security National Forum on Internet Services -- Backgrounder We are seeking expert opinion regarding a major public policy issue facing the Social Security Administration: the appropriate privacy, system security and other safeguards necessary for SSA to provide transaction services on the Internet with strong public confidence. You may be aware that, in response to public concerns raised about our test of the Interactive Personal Earnings and Benefit Estimate Statement (Interactive PEBES) service on the Internet, SSA suspended the test and announced that we would seek public input on the design of the system, particularly with respect to the authentication and privacy policies and system safeguards necessary to ensure public confidence in Interactive PEBES and in future Internet services planned by SSA. To do this, we have scheduled a series of public forums in Hartford (May 5), Des Moines (week of May 12), Atlanta (week of May 19), San Jose (week of May 26), Austin (week of June 2), and Washington D.C. (week of June 9). We also plan to schedule an Internet Town Meeting on our Website, www.ssa.gov. The forums will address important national issues which reach far beyond our test of the Interactive PEBES. The safeguarding of individual privacy -- as technology removes barriers to accessing confidential information -- and the public's understanding of and trust in using the Internet both for secure, confidential government services and business and financial services are the core critical issues. That is why your input is so important. We are now identifying interested individuals and organizations who wish to participate on panels at each of the six public forum locations. Although we are unable to provide compensation for your participation, we also invite comments in writing or via email if you cannot attend a forum in person. We envision three 1 1/4 -hour panels of 5 people expert in these broad areas: Privacy, Systems Security and the Business/Financial Internet community. There will also be open sessions where members of the public may register to speak. However you or your company may choose to participate, I urge you to consider offering us your thoughtful input into this important national discussion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent by a majordomo-based automatic list manager. Subscriptions to and archives of this list are available to CommerceNet members, partners, and invited guests. For further information send a mail message to 'members-request(a)lists.commerce.net' with 'help' (no quotations) contained in the body of your message. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA Lesley Stahl: "You mean *anyone* can set up a web site and compete with the New York Times?" Andrew Kantor: "Yes." Stahl: "Isn't that dangerous?" The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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My Thread / Was--Re: Light Bulbs & newsgroups
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

List members, Shut the hell up already; I wrote it, and it's OK for anyone to repost it. Just attribute it to me. Anonymous

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17 Dec '03

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WebWorld 36
by Bubba Rom Dos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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COMMERCE VISIONARY ERIC HUGHES TEAMS WITH FINANCE EXEC AND TECHNOLOGY ARCHITECT TO FORM TRANSACTION TECHNOLOGY COMPANY, SIMPLE ACCESS
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Looks like Hughes and Hilby have found some fresh meat. Given sac.net is currently in collection on nearly $100k (plus or minus lawyers' and collectors' fees) to former suppliers, contractors, and employees, it seems the greater fool theory of internet commerce is alive and well. Hope the new boys are holding on to their wallets. And their nuts. ReputationMunger --------- Media contact: Melody Kean Haller, Antenna Group, 415-896-1800, melody(a)antennapr.com COMMERCE VISIONARY ERIC HUGHES TEAMS WITH FINANCE EXEC AND TECHNOLOGY ARCHITECT TO FORM TRANSACTION TECHNOLOGY COMPANY, SIMPLE ACCESS San Francisco, CA -- March 24, 1997. The limits to growth facing today's commercial transaction systems are fundamental and unavoidable. Current architectures are not able to handle the complexity and auditing requirements of tomorrow, according to cryptographer, commerce visionary, and cypherpunks founder Eric Hughes. The solution is to build airtight accountability into the system from the start, according to Hughes, who has developed an infrastructure design methodology that solves this and several other crucial electronic commerce problems. Hughes today announced that he has formed a company, Simple Access, to build the next generation of transaction systems. He also announced two key additions to the executive team. John McArtor, currently President and CEO of Delta International, Inc., a private merchant bank, will lead Simple Access as chief executive officer. Dwight Koop, formerly executive vice-president of technology for Swiss Bank, will direct project development. Eric Hughes will continue as chief technology officer. "Eric Hughes has a deep and compelling vision of the future of electronic commerce," said Jerry Michalski, managing editor of Esther Dyson's monthly report, Release 1.0. "He understands the science of the Internet and security technologies, has insight into the systemic flow of commerce, and is informed by an overview of the socio-political history of money. The methodology he is proposing aims to enable a future in which transactions are undeniably clear. Anything Eric puts his energy into is worth paying attention to." Hughes said, "Currently, 'electronic commerce' is a euphemism for 'commerce that doesn't work,' or soon won't work on a large scale. In order to prevent disasters on the horizon and build a foundation for safer and better systems, Simple Access is thinking ahead and solving problems at the infrastructure level." "We are working with leading companies that require their suppliers to have solid and experienced managers, so we brought on proven leaders," Hughes continued. "McArtor and Koop meet and exceed those criteria." "With my 25 years of commercial and investment banking experience, I've worked with a lot of bright technologists, and these are some of the best," said CEO John McArtor. "I jumped at the opportunity to join them. The development team at Simple Access has an intimate knowledge of real-world business problems. They are addressing issues at the core of domestic and international finance, issues that are very important to me." Simple Access' Director of Software Development, Dwight Koop, said, "The technologies we are developing will address serious and immediate problems of large-scale commerce. These are elegant designs which can be applied especially well in high-stakes transaction systems to assure an unprecedented level of accountability, auditability and efficiency." Simple Access is in late-stage negotiations with several strategically chosen Fortune 100 companies in different realms of commerce. The company is now developing custom solutions, building on the widely usable transaction methodology that Hughes has developed. The company's current efforts include telephony and Internet provisioning and billing, international trade documents, and digital money. Eric Hughes is a cryptographer and an expert on payment systems and commercial interaction. He has consulted to banks, software companies, and payment processing firms, and frequently speaks on the subjects of security, digital money, and payment systems. He is also renowned as the co-founder of the cypherpunks. Hughes authored "A Long Term Perspective on Electronic Commerce," which comprised the March 1995 issue of Release 1.0. John W. McArtor is president and CEO of Delta International, Inc., a private merchant bank engaged in the business of creative corporate finance and capital management. Since 1972, Delta International has been designing, structuring, syndicating, and managing financial vehicles for private sector investment. McArtor's areas of expertise include the management of capital in domestic and global futures markets, and the creation of venture capital for the telecommunications industry. Dwight Koop was formerly executive vice-president of technology for Swiss Bank, one of the world's premier trading institutions. He will serve as acting director of software development with Simple Access, which will co-develop and co-market projects with New Logic, Inc., where Koop is a principal and practice director of intra/Internet systems development. Koop has more than twenty years of solid management and consulting background in all aspects of technology, with special expertise in creating competitive advantage in the financial industry. Headquartered in San Francisco, California, Simple Access is a technology firm that designs and builds infrastructure for finance, commerce, security, telephony, and the Internet. Simple Access develops solutions to facilitate and simplify interaction at the infrastructure level. The company's areas of expertise include payment systems, data security, cryptography, and transaction processing. The privately held company was founded in 1995. Simple Access is located at One Sutter Street, Suite 500, San Francisco, California 94104. To reach the company, phone 415-392-0526, fax 415-986-8113 or send email to info(a)sac.net. For media information please contact Melody Kean Haller, Antenna Group, 415-896-1800, or melody(a)antennapr.com.

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17 Dec '03

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Re: SSL weakness affecting links from pa
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steve wrote: > > If the Netscape folks would integrate digicash into Communicator, > > then I could program my browser to only send referer to sites that > > paid for the information, and rent cookie space. Want your cookie to > > live till 1999? Thats 24 months, at 50 cents per month...do you want > > to pay? > > That would only work until someone abuses it. People could create web > robots to run around selling referers and several gigabytes of > worthless cookie space. Worthless, because nobody cares about the web > browsing habits of J. Random Robot, and they certainly don't want to > blow $50 e-bucks on the bot's repeated visits. Why doesn't somebody come up with a program that gives identity probing programs the identity of browser programmers/executives, and make a cookie file that indicates visits to hate-group and hard- core porn sites? Not that Toto's a troublemaker... NoTot[h]o[mo]

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Anonymous Cowards
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. May wrote: > for a long time we had several pseudonyms who contributed a lot. > > However, in the past several months we've been seeing (apparently) drunken > rants by "TruthMonger," "TruthMangler," "Bubba Rom Dos," and so on. And > none of these are signed, so various "TruthMongers" are involved. I hardly think you need to be so polite as to add "(apparently)" to the description of Toto's rants, whether she does so as TruthMonger or not, since she certainly makes no bones about her personal habits, herself. > (One of the drunken ranters, "Toto," has apparently let his real identity > slip a couple of times, or perhaps someone else is adding the "Toto" stuff > to confuse things. It's also likely Toto and some of these other anonymous > ranters are one and the same.) If you have questions about Toto's *real* (government approved?) identity, or which posts she is (or is not) responsible for for, then you might consider asking her via private email. I did so and found her to be quite forthcoming about pretty much anything I asked her. > In any event, the various anonymous posts in the past few months have been > disappointing. Rarely does anything substantive come out of their > anonymity. And they lend support to those who would restrict anonymity (I > am not one of those) by using anonymity as a shield for cowardly insults > and attacks. Substantive for whom? During the debates about Gilmore's moderation experiment there was much discussion on the list as to what constituted substance and what did not. There seemed to be three varying opinions for every two cypherpunks addressing the issue. As far as claiming to not support the restriction of anonymity, while at the same time labelling those who use it as "cowards," this seems to me to border on hypocrisy. ("I don't support discrimination against people of color, even if they *are* shiftless and lazy.") > So, the anonymous posters are not using the pseudonym capabilities digital > signatures can provide. If you have such a deep-seated need to be able to label anonymous posters with a consistent pseudonym, then perhaps you might suggest that the government issue them pseudo-identity numbers. > They're just scribblers on bathroom walls. Some who pay a significant amount of attention to all posts which pass through the cypherpunks list consider many of their scribblings to be "Stego" scribblings. And what may be seen as FUD and ranting by some is seen as probing and filtering by others. Since you seem to be somewhat fixated on Toto, for whatever reason (BTW, I have nude pictures of her available), I will offer some of my own observations as to what I perceive to be the methods to her madness. For starters, anyone who cares to reveiw her posts to the list since her assumption of the Toto persona can verify the following: 1. She predicted the commencement of the moderation experiment. 2. She noted Tim's absence from the list in a matter of days, rather than the *weeks* that others took to note the absence of his posts. 3. She both predicted and confirmed most of the malefeasence in the moderation process instituted on the list and provided information as to how others could confirm these facts for themselves. (In this respect, I must add my personal opinion, as one who is involved in significant amounts of traffic/personality/methodology analysis of email traffic, that her intuitive logic provided more pertininent information, in some cases, than volumous databases and programs which others have spent years compiling in order to achieve the same results). 4. She has not spared herself from the pointed barbs which she places up the butts of others on the cypherpunks list, as well as being considerably more forthcoming than most about revealing and taking responsibility for her shortcomings and biases in both her perspective and her opinions. 5. She has the fortitude to allow her words to speak for themselves, for the most part, without the self-serving disclaimers and apologetist false humility used by some on the list. 6. The subtlety of her humor is second only perhaps to that of Tim May, and she shares his propensity for letting it stand on its own, without smarmy symbols, without fretting over it being recognized or appreciated. 7. When she makes use of anonymity or outright forgery on the list, she takes pains to leave her "pecker tracks" for all to see, if they care to pay the least amount of attention to the details of her posts. 8. She was the first (and only?) one during the moderation experiment to note that the battleground was not so much one of censorship, but of infowar. (For those who do not see the pertinence of this statement, I suggest that you borrow some of Toto's Crayolas, make a heading labelled "Spooks," and start drawing lines between posts.) For those who care to follow Toto's "pecker tracks" though the cypherpunks list, I suggest that you look to her own posts for the broad hints she gives as to how to do so. As well, Toto almost invariably uses 'single quotes' to indicate emphasis, incorrect punctuation in regard to quote marks of any genre, and enough commas to cause a worldwide shortage for others who wish to use them. She also adds a personal (usually humorous) touch to any false signature lines that she chooses to add to her posts in order to shake loose the robotic mechanisms that most of us use to classify and file away preconceived opinions as to our views of a message based on the personality of the messenger. Perhaps some anonymous posters do use anonymity, as Tim suggests, to protect their valued reputational capital from besmirchment or devaluation. (Or to avoid it moving into the negative side of the spectrum.) However, perhaps others use anonymity because they have other concerns to address which do not rely on reputation capital to achieve their purpose. Anyone who wants to label Toto as a coward when she chooses to used a veiled persona might want to read some of her posts under her current Toto persona. The fact that she does not hesitate to call a ratfucker a ratfucker as Toto hardly lends credence to the theory that her reason for doing the same thing pseudo-anonymously is an act of cowardice. She has always shown a propensity for offering praise, as well as condemnation, to those on the list, as well as defending those whom she regards as being unjustly attacked, even if she usually has a stance that is largely divergent with that of the person. Rather than suggest that those posting anonymously have some great fear of exposure, for whatever reason, I would suggest that some of those posting under their own name on the list might be better served to post anonymously, as it might save them embarassment if they should ever get their head out of their ass far enough to notice what imbeciles they are. Artist "I draw flies."

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