December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

tiggers
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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q.N
by nadeshda＠mexred.net.mx 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To whom it may concern: My name is Nadeshda Vargas Stepanenko, I`m a Law Student from Mexico City and I`m writing this letter because in one of my classes I was asigned to do a discertation on what can be done to control the Internet in relation to it`s content and use, to protect the public at large using the methods to protect your privacy. I have found a lot of information of these servidors, but the reason to write this e-mail is for asking some questions about the subject: 1) It would be convenient to legislate this methods? 2) You can use them, for example, in Mexico? 3) Do you think it would be necessary to create an International Association for solving the problems in the Internet? 4) What do you think about legislation of the Internet, and how the lawyers may resolve these situations? I would be very thankful if you send me only a briefly opinion about this questions, it is very important for me because it is not an easy job.

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Re: FC 97 and www.offshore.com.ai online
by Vincent Cate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Has anyone been able to reach www.offshore.com.ai for the last >several weeks. I think things have been working fine. I have been getting plenty of mail still. The web site has been up too. But I have not gotten any email from you. If you can not reach vince(a)offshore.com.ai you can also try vac(a)cs.cmu.edu or vince(a)c2.org. -- Vince

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Geodesic Warfare: The Mesh and the Net
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anthony Templar took the text file I had of THE MESH AND THE NET Speculations on Armed Conflict in a Time of Free Silicon MARTIN C. LIBICKI McNair Paper 29 March 1994 INSTITUTE FOR NATIONAL STRATEGIC STUDIES NATIONAL DEFENSE UNIVERSITY Washington, D.C. bashed it quite nicely into HTML, and parked it at <http://www.shipwright.com/meshnet.html>. Somebody put a pointer to the original site -- which I have since lost -- on cypherpunks a couple of years ago, and I downloaded the text version, then, thinking that I would have a copy of my own if it was ever taken off the net. Altavista was just getting started at the time, and, like a turn-of-the-century British dancehall character named Archie (the namesake for World War I antiaircraft fire), Altavista was busy looking up the dress of every website it could find, and telling everyone what it saw. :-). No telling when stuff would go away, especially after the webmasters' bosses found out about it. It dawns on me that both comic book and internet protocol Archies were aptly named, in hindsight... Anyway, thanks to Anthony for doing such a nice job on what looks like a 65-page paper. It's about 250k+ in size. Its e$ relevance, of course, is, what happens if there's a cash settled market for force, and these increasingly smaller, autonomous, networked weapons auction their services in that market? Also, the paper talks about how these weapons could be used to effectively defend very small pieces of ground, certainly at the level of your average suburban house. Personal warfare? The Swiss, the original Icelanders, and the pre-British Irish must be smiling somewhere. Lions and Tigers and Bears. Oh, my. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA Lesley Stahl: "You mean *anyone* can set up a web site and compete with the New York Times?" Andrew Kantor: "Yes." Stahl: "Isn't that dangerous?" The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: LJL into key-escrow? (was Re: The Balloon is Going Up....criminalization of noncompliant crypto)
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 1997 at 12:03:27AM +0100, Adam Back wrote: > > "Entrust" is a company Kent has been quoting to > > us in a long running thread on cpunks, as an example of how companies > > really want "key-escrow". > > Just so things are clear, the reasoning is as follows: > 1) Entrust provides a product that includes enterprise > key escrow. > 2) <useless redundancy> > 3) The point of my posting it was to illustrate > that industry perceives a market. > 4) Entrust is a product I happen to be familiar with. You go > to "security" trade shows and you see other companies as > well. Kent, You should try to refrain from embarassing yourself by referring to the above as "reasoning". I'm of a like mind with Bill Stewart and Dr. Robert's, or whoever, who appear to think that compromises on privacy and freedom lead to yellow stars and barbed-wire fences. Now, if you could just give us similar examples to illustrate how the burdgeoning market for Zyklon-B showed that corporations *really wanted* the Holocaust... Or how the Allied POW's in the Battan Death March *really wanted* to go for a walk in the country... -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Hettinga rants in Cleveland at 3PM on WERE
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kevin Miller, a talk show host in Cleveland, is going to have me on his local radio show at 3PM EST today to talk about e$, geodesic markets/societies, strong crypto, digital bearer securities, and anything else I can dream up. :-). For those of you in Cleveland, the radio station is WERE, and I don't know whether it's AM or FM. Evidently, he also has a national radio show, with a simulcast (? could be a tape to realaudio thing, though) on the net. I'm going to be on *that*, also live, at 8PM tomorrow night. More details as I know them. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA Lesley Stahl: "You mean *anyone* can set up a web site and compete with the New York Times?" Andrew Kantor: "Yes." Stahl: "Isn't that dangerous?" The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: Sabotaging Big Brother Inside Corporate Complicity
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 1997 at 03:45:47PM -0800, "TruthMonger" wrote: > > > No matter what lengths the government goes to to infringe > > on basic human rights, there will always be individuals and > > corporations fighting over who gets to profit from the actions, > > all the while claiming, "We don't put them in the ovens, we > > just turn on the gas." > > Oh, we're to the death camps, are we? I guess that counts as > invoking Hitler. ...or how Native Americans who died on the Trail of Tears *really wanted* to go for a walk in the country? > > TruthMonger > > "We have met the enemy, and he is Kent." > Actually, you don't have a clue what I think, what my motives > are, or what I favor. Awareness of reality is the first requirement > for sanity. The reality is, dropping the .gov sig-reference _doesn't_ count as 'devoking' Clinton. And given the muddled nature of your thinking on key escrow, I'm not sure whether either one of us has a clue as to what you think. As far as your motives go, that's a matter between you and the Cosmic Muffin. The road to Key Escrow is paved with good intentions. (All of the Chinese got used up building the railroads.) TruthMonger

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Re: Sabotaging Big Brother Inside Corporate Complicity
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hal Finney wrote: > There are two somewhat related technologies being discussed here, as Kent > lists: key escrow and multiple encryption. > > However, as Tim points out, really both approaches can be adapted to > a Big Brother situation. If the government can force you to escrow > your keys, it could equally well force you to encrypt to the FBI as an > additional recipient. Key escrow amounts to both and more. In escrowing your keys, you are doing so to the FBI, the CIA, the Department of Agriculture, Social Services, the janitor at the Key Escrow holding facility, etc. Should we put our faith in the 'good intentions' claimed by those promoting key escrow? Talk to the grandmothers whose cars were confiscated because their dear grandson left a roach in the ashtray, under authority of the laws that were supposed to thwart drug kingpins. Key escrow is needed so that grandmothers of the future, plugging the parking meters of strangers with eCa$h, cannot escape prosecution by using encryption. > I see > supporting multiple recipients in the way outlined above as being an > effort to *avoid* building "big brother inside". Otherwise key escrow > is what many employees are going to get. If other people don't see it > that way, I'd like to know. In lean econonomical times, employees tend to get whatever they are given...end of story. If the employees are to get something other than Big Brother type of control over their work-lives, then it is up to those such as the CypherPunks and others who value privacy to promote viable options for corporations to choose from in the security area. If the only security options that a corporate manager has is no control or total control, then there will be those who will be forced by circumstances to opt for the latter, regardless of whether they find it personally distasteful. Indeed, members of the Tim C. May Corporate Sabatoge Revolutionary Committee may well find that they can sabatoge the government's evil intentions without harming their employer's position, merely by making an effort to ensure that their company's product gives the undercover Human Rights agents that have infiltrated corporate management an option to choose a product that they can customize with a view toward maintaining both company security and employee privacy. Let's face it, the government will roll over anyone who is unarmed, and have Kent issue a press release suggesting that the citizens were crying out for tank-tread marks on their backs. The solution is to provide as many workable products/solutions as possible for those who feel a need for encryption, so that they may customize their use of it according to their own inclinations and level of conscience. The government always seems to have extra munitions on hand to give to would-be dictators, it is up to disorganizations such as the CypherPunks to make certain that the citizens have the opportunity to arm themselves, as well. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Analysis of proposed UK ban on use of non-escrowed crypto
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A. Padgett Peterson P.E. Information Security wrote: > > Personally think these proposals are "fliers", things so bad that the > radicals will get hung up on elements the gov could really care less about. > Tricky part is to pick out what complies with the *real* agenda. Sounds like you got caught 'bending over' in the past, and learned from the experience. How about a law that requires all politicians to speak through an interpreter? Say, Howard Stern? (Only because Lenny Bruce is dead.) -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: LJL into key-escrow? (was Re: The Balloon is Going Up....criminalization of noncompliant crypto)
by Kent Crispin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, Apr 02, 1997 at 12:26:55PM -0600, Toto wrote: [...] > > Kent, > You should try to refrain from embarassing yourself by referring > to the above as "reasoning". Obviously, I embarass easily. > I'm of a like mind with Bill Stewart and Dr. Robert's, or whoever, > who appear to think that compromises on privacy and freedom lead to > yellow stars and barbed-wire fences. Do you work for a living? > Now, if you could just give us similar examples to illustrate > how the burdgeoning market for Zyklon-B showed that corporations > *really wanted* the Holocaust... Hitler again. You lose. -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent(a)songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html

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