December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Regulate them to 'double-death'...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Anonymous wrote: > > No, instead, Canadian students terrorize each other with old-fashioned > > forms of violence, like at Cole Harbor high school in Newfie'land, where > > they use baseball bats to keep the niggers in line, and in Montreal, > > where four teenagers have been driven to suicide in the last few weeks > > by the 'taxing' they have endured from the youth gangs that roam the > > subways. > > Perhaps Canada needs 'more' regulation... > Canada ia not perfect, no country is, but men and women typically feel > safe enough to walk the streets alone at night. The same is true of most places, even the ones known as being dangerous enclaves of the 'bad' people. The fact is, those who live in any given area generally do not feel too threatened when going out and about in 'their' part of town. I spend time in the areas of Regina, Saskatchewan and Oakland, California, that most of the 'regular' folk avoid. I have seen people shot and stabbed in both places, but I feel safe enough to walk those streets alone. I have been robbed a couple times in both areas, and have given up the cash I was holding, even when I was armed much better than those robbing me. I didn't feel like killing them. > Racial hatred is not accepted in the communities at large Kiss my ass. Racial discrimination is not *recognized* in the communities at large. I like to use the word 'nigger' as often as possible in Berkeley, California, (a prison for the politically correct) just because it pisses all of those oh-so-liberal hypocrites who shit their pants when a black person moves into *their* neighborhood. I like to use the word 'wagon-burner' in Regina when dealing with social workers who use the politically correct term, Native Canadian while they discriminate against the 'wagon-burners' in every possible way. > nor is wife-beating. Joke heard in a Canadian Bar at 11:37 pm, Sat. Oct. 3, 1997: Q: "What do you call a woman with two black eyes? A: "Nothing. She's been told *twice* already!" > The fact that you list all the newsworthy examples of teen violence speaks > volumes onto itself. No. The fact that I did not list the 'volumes' of examples of teen violence in Canada is newsworthy. > The typically Canadian gun owner uses it for one of two purposes; the > most common usage is 1) sport hunting 2) target shooting - I have used a > gun many times, never towards a living being. Sounds like the typical *American* gun owner. Canadians whack out fewer people with weapons than Americans, but so do people in prison. Go figure... Canada does not have the magnitude of problems that the US has because there are only about 20 million people in the whole goddamn country, and there are not nearly as many hugely populated cities. As well, Canadians spend a great amount of their time huddled inside their igloos during the year, and are too busy trying to keep warm to spend much time murdering their fellow citizens. Got to run. I'm a cop, and I haven't beaten up my quota of wagon-burners for the day. CanuckMonger

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Re: cypherpunks-e@htp.org list explodes!
by yt＠htp.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey bill... sorry about the mess. We were just trying to set up a local japanese dist of cypherpunks. same content. I've made it one way.... for the local discussion, cypherpunks-j is where it is at, but it in in Japanese. Sorry about the trouble. yt

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by JN 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Jes' Fishin' / Re: Stronghold (fwd)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:46:14 +0200 (MET DST) > > Subject: Re: Stronghold > > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > > > It is becoming increasingly obvious that John Young is the real > > troublemaker here. I wouldn't doubt that it was John who was > > behind the original troubles between Vulis and Sameer. > > I think that John Young should be forcefully unsubscribed from > > the Cypherpunks mailing lists. > > You sir are an unmittigated ass and more than a tad immature and selfish. I was just trolling on a sunny Sunday afternoon, not really caring if I caught anything. However, Jim is too small-minded, so I think I'm going to have to throw him back. Jes' Fishin'

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Re: Stronghold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: > Dimitri: > Perhaps this is unfair, but it now appears that you are using > the disputed censorship issue to cloud your reluctance, or > inability, to substantiate a fault in Stronghold. Unless C2Net publicly announces that Dimitri is free to post anything he chooses about C2Net and the software they produce, without threat of lawsuit or prosecution, then it is patently unfair to castigate him for failing to share whatever information he may have in regard to their product. Like it or not, C2Net has declared that the integrity of their product is dependent upon men with guns who have the power to take people before the inquisitors, squelching all intimations of weakness or impropriety in the design of their product. If Ray Arachelian sues Dimitri for libel, I will start wondering just how many people he has, indeed, murdered. (Nothing personal, Ray, but are you *sure* that stain on your tie is ketchup?) ToothMonger "Take a byte out of slime."

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Re: Stronghold
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimitri007 wrote: >It is becoming increasingly obvious that John Young is the real >troublemaker here. I wouldn't doubt that it was John who was >behind the original troubles between Vulis and Sameer. >I think that John Young should be forcefully unsubscribed from >the Cypherpunks mailing lists. Heh, do me! Forcefully unsubscribed means *plonk* -- not seen much lately but once frequently wanked here. Troublemaking is the very essence of this cypherjerk joint, no? Does anyone but me remember that the whole Vulis, moderation, censorship, Stronghold shit started with Tim dissing Dimitri by mocking the [spit] locution (or that's when I first paid attention to the thread -- Tim's and Dimitri's rude humor slurs are their best shots). Dimitri then getting pissed at the dis (or faking it), then counter-assaulting Tim with multiple personalities, then both master peronnae-fakers going at each other through clones, acolytes and yes-bossers to capture the other's reputation capital, both operatically yodelling innocence unfairly ravaged, both raging with highest of principles at the accusations of come-fuck-me-darling lowest-level behavior. Anonymic and pseudonymic chaff flooded in and jammed the putative brilliant list signal. Seeing an opening for righteous evangelism, other high-minder fakirs intervened to protect the list's pristine virtue with prophylatic measures, which leaked, were malfitting, or were rejected by all-natural studs and mares lusting for unmediated self-abuse. Whores spitting at whores, male and female and crossovers it was, and is. Recall these periodic pitbull fights instigated with Tim by those foolish to challenge him, those who think there are limits to all-natural sex. Great liars, the Net's multiple personna double-cross-addressers . Whose willing to bet that Tim and Dimitri, their adherents, are not in bed with, may even be the same as, the Totos, the Mongershitters, the who? None of this compares to meisterwerk slurring which heavenly rents this forum.

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RE: counter-intuitive -- spam is good for you. anonymous assholes are your friend
by Phillip Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Friday, October 03, 1997 4:02 AM, Attila T. Hun [SMTP:attila@hun.org] wrote: > law enforcement did not deterred the hacks on the state department, > the FBI, and even the CIA. I dont advocate the hacks, but it is > amusing to watch the great watchdogs of security take a hit. Since I have no responsibility for either site I don't much care Actually neither has responsibility as a security watchdog, that is the NSA's job. > with your spoiled brat rantings, you make your site as tempting as > some of the other nose tweakers who need a serious attitude adjustment Actually I think you are the spoiled brat. If you had any real experience of computer security you would know who I am and who I work with. One of the principles of propaganda is reflection - poor propagandists accuse others of their own faults. My guess is that Attila is a sixteen year old schoolkid who thinks that downloading PGP and reading Bruce's book makes him a security expert. The real complacent folk are the ones that put their trust in cargo cult readings of Bill Morris. Phill

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto"
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 4 Oct 1997 21:48:23 -0500, Jonathan Wienke <JonWienk(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: >After the ordinance was passed, there was one >violent crime the first year, and three the next. There it is. Absolute Proof!!!! After everybody finally got those dreadful guns, there was a 300% increase in the murder rate. Guns are evil. Ban them now!!! (Just an example of what people do with statistics these days.) -- Phelix ps. Here's the entire paragraph: Before Kennesaw, Georgia passed its famous (or infamous) ordinance requiring each household in the city to own a gun and allowing concealed carry of firearms, it had an average of 25-27 violent crimes (murder, armed robbery, etc) per year. After the ordinance was passed, there was one violent crime the first year, and three the next. The gun control shills in the press reported this as a tripling in the violent crime rate. Since the state of Florida passed a "shall issue" concealed carry law (if you apply, pay the fee, pass the safety course, and are not a felon or mentally incompetent, the state shall issue you a concealed carry permit) it has experienced significant reductions (10-20%) in the rates of murder, rape, armed robbery, and other violent crimes. Even in England and Scotland, this inverse relationship between private gun ownership and violent crime can be demonstrated, according to Colin Greenwood, retired chief of the West Yorkshire Constabulary and criminology researcher since the sixties.

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Re: Stronghold
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 5 Oct 1997 00:21:33 -0500, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote: > >John Young wrote: >> Dimitri: >> Perhaps this is unfair, but it now appears that you are using >> the disputed censorship issue to cloud your reluctance, or >> inability, to substantiate a fault in Stronghold. > >Unless C2Net publicly announces that Dimitri is free to post >anything he chooses about C2Net and the software they produce, >without threat of lawsuit or prosecution, then it is patently >unfair to castigate him for failing to share whatever information >he may have in regard to their product. >Like it or not, C2Net has declared that the integrity of their >product is dependent upon men with guns who have the power to >take people before the inquisitors, squelching all intimations >of weakness or impropriety in the design of their product. > Use the remailers. That's what they're there for. Am I being overly simplistic here? -- Phelix

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Re: Stronghold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In <343b60e7.102167602(a)128.2.84.191>, phelix(a)vallnet.com writes: }On 5 Oct 1997 00:21:33 -0500, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote: } }> }>John Young wrote: }>> Dimitri: }>> Perhaps this is unfair, but it now appears that you are using }>> the disputed censorship issue to cloud your reluctance, or }>> inability, to substantiate a fault in Stronghold. }> }>Unless C2Net publicly announces that Dimitri is free to post }>anything he chooses about C2Net and the software they produce, }>without threat of lawsuit or prosecution, then it is patently A "public announcement" by the proven liars at C2 doesn't constitute a release from liability and wouldn't do much, legally, to protect Vulis from harrassment lawsuits. C2 can turn around and sue Vulis anyway. "So, I lied. Again." - Sameer }>unfair to castigate him for failing to share whatever information }>he may have in regard to their product. }>Like it or not, C2Net has declared that the integrity of their }>product is dependent upon men with guns who have the power to }>take people before the inquisitors, squelching all intimations }>of weakness or impropriety in the design of their product. }> } }Use the remailers. That's what they're there for. Am I being overly }simplistic here? If someone other than Vulis (me, for instance) published the Stronghold backdoor (widely known by now) via an anonymous remailer, then Sameer Parekh could still sue Vulis for having discovered it first, or to "make example" of him, and to intidimate other security experts who are aware of Stronghold's many holes. For example, Sandy Sandfort, Parekh's marketing director, wrote to Vulis: } ... we'll slap a libel suit across your emigrant ass, take back }your green card, deport you and tell Russia that you called Yeltsin a }cocksucker ... C2 is obviously deperate to suppress the information that's already known to an increasing number of people in the field. Their threats against Vulis may be one of the reasons why none of the security experts, who confirmed the presense of serious security flaws in Stronghold, are saying much about this. The BackdoorMonger

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