December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Anyone have the complete info on CP list alternatives?
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:58 PM 2/17/97 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: ... >It is a very good objections. I would like readers to speak up and say >their word for or against forwarding the list messages to >alt.cypherpunks. If a significant number of people objects (2-3 is >enough) I will disable this feature. As to my two cents, I like the idea, but would ask that the usenet feed have the scrambled address described by Cynthia H. Brown. I don't really care to have a box full of "YOU may HAVE JUST WON ONE MILLION DOLLARS!", if the system described by Mrs. Brown works, I would prefer this.

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Military/Intelligence URL
by eickfarm 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Return-Path: <owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 03:22:32 -0500 >From: harka(a)nycmetro.com >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: Military/Intelligence URL >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Precedence: bulk >X-UIDL: b0eef8d389443636415db00da7508d3f > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Here an page, that deals with various intelligence and military >institutions... > > > In> Subject: GOVT> AJAX, Government and Military Intelligence > > In> http://204.180.198.56:80/ajax/ajax.htm > > In> United States and International Government Military and Intelligence > In> Agency Access > > In> Certain Locations Or Sections Thereof May Be Closed To > In> Unauthorized Use. > In> PLEASE READ ACCESS WARNINGS, IF ANY, AND ABIDE BY THEM. > In> (If You Prefer A Frameless Environment, Click HERE.) > In> Last update: 7 FEBRUARY 1997. All accesses verified at > In> time of inclusion. > > In> CIA Central Intelligence Agency > In> DIA Defense Intelligence Agency > In> NRO National Reconnaissance Office > In> NSA National Security Agency > In> SS Secret Service > In> USCSOI U.S. Customs Service Office of Investigation > > In> ATF Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms > In> BOP Federal Bureau of Prisons > In> CID U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command > In> COURTS U.S. Federal Courts > In> FBI Federal Bureau of Investigation > In> FINCEN Financial Crimes Enforcement Network > In> FLETC Federal Law Enforcement Training Center > In> MARSHALS U.S. Marshals Service > In> NIJ National Institute of Justice > In> ACC Air Combat Command > In> AFSPC Air Force Space Command > In> BMDO Ballistic Missile Defense Organization > In> DEFENSE Defense Department > In> DISA Defense Information Systems Agency > In> DRMS Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service > In> DTIC Defense Technical Information Center > In> JCS Joint Chiefs of Staff > In> NAVWAN Naval Aviation Systems Team Wide Area Network > In> NAWCWPNS Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division > In> NSWC Naval Surface Warfare Center > In> USAFA United States Air Force Academy > > In> AHPCRC Army High Performance Computing Research Center > In> ARPA Advanced Research Projects Agency > In> LABLINK U.S. Department of Defense Laboratory System > In> NRL The Naval Research Laboratory RL > In> USAF Rome Laboratory for C41 Technology > In> USACIL U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Laboratory > > In> NATGUARD Army and Air National Guards > In> USA United States Army > In> USAF United States Air Force > In> USCG United States Coast Guard > In> USMC United States Marine Corps > In> USN United States Navy > > In> EPA U.S. Environmental Protection Agency > In> FAA Federal Aviation Administration Technical Center > In> FCC Federal Communications Commission > In> FTC Federal Trade Commission > In> NMFS National Marine Fisheries Service > In> NRC Nuclear Regulatory Commission > In> SEC Securities and Exchange Commission > In> CDC Centers for Disease Control and Prevention > In> CENSUS U.S. Department of Commerce Bureau of the Census > In> CONGRESS U.S. House of Representatives > In> CUSTOMS U.S. Customs Service > In> DOE U.S. Department of Energy National Laboratories > In> & Programs > In> EXECUTIVE The White House > In> FDIC Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation > In> FEMA Federal Emergency Management Agency > In> FMS Financial Management Service > In> GPO U.S. Government Printing Office > In> GSA U.S. General Services Administration > In> HHS U.S. Department of Health and Human Services > In> HPCC NOAA High Performance Computing and > In> Communications IRS Internal Revenue Service > In> JUSTICE Justice Department > In> NARA National Archives and Records Administration > In> NASA National Aeronautics and Space Administration > In> NCDC National Climatic Data Center > In> NIMH National Institute of Mental Health > In> NOAA National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration > In> NSF National Science Foundation > In> NTIS National Technical Information Service > In> SBA Small Business Administration > In> SEL Space Environment Laboratory > In> STATE State Department > In> TREASURY Treasury Department > In> USCODE U.S. House of Representatives > In> Internet Law Library U.S. Code > > In> CANADA > In> CSE Communications Security Establishment > In> CISC Criminal Intelligence Service Canada > In> CSIS Canadian Security Intelligence Service > In> SIRC Security Intelligence Review Committee > In> UNITED KINGDOM CIM Central Intelligence Machinery > > In> CANADA > In> DJC Department of Justice of Canada > In> FORENSIC The Forensic Web > In> RCMP Royal Canadian Mounted Police > In> SGC Solicitor General of Canada > > In> UNITED NATIONS UNCPCJ United Nations Crime Prevention & > In> Criminal Justice > > In> CANADA > In> CFC Canadian Forces College > In> DREO Defense Research Establishment, Ottawa > > In> UNITED KINGDOM > In> ARMY The British Army > In> CDA Centre for Defence Analysis > In> DRA Defence Research Agency > > In> NATO North Atlantic Treaty Organization > In> SACLANT Supreme Allied Commander, Atlantic > In> SHAPE Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe > > In> BECCA Business Espionage Controls & Countermeasures > In> Association > In> CRYPTOLOG Internet Guide to Cryptography > In> DCJFTF Washington, D.C. Joint Fugitive Task Force > In> WANTED "The World's Most Wanted" (Fugitives and > In> Unsolved Crimes) > > >Ciao > >Harka > >/*************************************************************/ >/* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ >/* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! --> http://www.eff.org */ >/* E-mail: harka(a)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail preferred) */ >/* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ >/* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ >/*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ >/* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ >/* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ >/*************************************************************/ > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.2 > >iQEVAgUBMv7aGjltEBIEF0MBAQF1CAf+MyLUa3sBKCAuxhzCZ0tQqP3jxAjQpIuV >WdsTCW9L3jPwLdZ9BmqeqAuaIU4JQzCpEx5bgKdzGThF5mG2U4XaeOcD4gBpWZyz >sYOZzcoYNe6CX6m55a9UqiEpZu4mK9TBkO7OXSfV3J3CygVAbo7zjC+lW2r7L9F8 >3vTqrxbOCb3SMEl4k3L5QVtKOGVSh7MMIesBtmQ2SNhhvSfrdFYBnCcvtmnvYi8j >6YpI5wrkiNzueuFwoD9YoRR7UugE5kcCyJ3FFHym7RzQUL8XsHRhsk1XoTBHvXni >2Tfno7DH5+T4FuVZTWeaAVhD7OTfK2n0lBCf0x2I5F1iEUurbdddig== >=s4om >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption... > > > > >------------------------------ **********WHY AM I RECEIVING 346 MESSAGES THAT ORIGINATED WITH CYPHERPUNKS(a)TOAD.COM? I AM UNABLE TO USE MY E=MAIL BECAUSE OF THE MESSAGES THAT HAVE ACCUMULATED. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE MESSAGES REFERENCES YOUR ORGANIZATION. I HAVE NEVER ACCESSED ANYTHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH YOUR GROUP. PLEASE ASSIST ME IN REMOVING THE ROUTING OF THESE MESSAGES TO MY E-MAIL. OTHERWISE, I WILL BE FORCED TO CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION TO THE INTERNET. THANK YOU. EICKFARM(a)SHIANET.ORG

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JSC Security Report
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Redefining Security," a 1994 report to the DoD and the CIA by The Joint Security Commission, offers bountiful information on US security strategies, policies, agencies, methodologies, and techniques, you name it, with designs for the future. http://jya.com/jcs.htm (454K) If you ever wanted to talk like the spooks, parrot this dictionary of NatSec ebonics.

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article on "Wired News"
by Bryce 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "http://www.wired.com/news/" -- headline: " Monday Homeless Cypherpunks Turn to Usenet The 1,400-strong group splinters into three alt. subgroups and a mailing list - but they have plans for staying united. " "STAYING united"? Ha ha ha ha! That's funny! Keep in touch, y'all. :-) Bryce PGP sig follows -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-signed under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 iQB1AwUBMwoIlkjbHy8sKZitAQHccQMAuN28CdLh8r7qbJ08IFHEPihY0EwnUJu3 kMauwXlNdhI+VzNpBnQLkmtUdpGvTKbx2Il77fWrHJD+NM/AuEOY2wfdWJlimMZ5 zvRROoEJwG/dTS4BvsbQFqt62dZAiPH6 =dpG6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Interesting question: how to safely keep passwords online
by Ed Falk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's a question that's been on my mind lately: Often, you like to keep external passwords stored on your personal computer. As a quick example, Eudora will remember your POP password for you so you don't have to enter it every time. Obviously, Eudora keeps this on disk somewhere. The question is: is there any (relatively) safe way to do this? Obviously, Eudora encrypt the saved password with some secret key, but this key could probably be found by examining the code. A slight improvement would be for Eudora to generate an encryption key on the fly based on some external system state, but this is also susceptible to reverse-engineering. -ed falk

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Re: Constitution and a Right to Privacy
by Vin McLellan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Marshall Clow wrote: >Let's not start this.... <snip> >If we are going to discuss privacy, that's fine. >It we are going to discuss abortion, there are better fora. Right, Marshall. I was attempting to respond directly to Tim's comment, but I too have no desire to let the end of C'punks be yet another sinkhole Abortion Debate. Foil at guard. I'll subside and let any riptide response roll over me;-). (Jeeze! Anyone else feel like these are the Final Days, like when a company goes bankrupt, or graduation day or the like?? I hope one of these C'punkish alternatives will provide an opportunity for some of the same thoughtful and stimulating engagements that toad.com hosted.) Respect to all, pro-choice and pro-life, _Vin

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Why Digital Video Disks are late to market
by Martin Minow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://techweb.cmp.com/eet/news/97/942news/encryp.html To summarize, the Digital Video Disk standard contains an encryption standard for copyright and anti-piracy protection. however, "some U.S. PC and silicon vendors have just about abandoned hope of keeping to their revised launch schedules for DVD-enabled systems." ... as far as anybody knows, "none of the U.S. PC vendors today has a license to use the DVD-decryption algorithm" in software. "We all know the situation; we don't have a license," said Michael Moradzadeh, program manager of Intel's copy-protection task force. A solution may be in the offing within days. Some sources said late last week that Matsushita [who owns license rights] and key U.S. computer companies may resolve the software-licensing issues by the end of this week. The PC industry seeks amendments to the licensing-agreement language that would result in equivalent treatment of software- and hardware-based CSS decryption. ... there apparently has been some speculation among the U.S. PC community that Matsushita may be stonewalling on the software-licensing issue so that it can establish its hardware-based decryption solution in the marketplace. --- Nothing in the article suggests that "national interests" are involved. Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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ISP access fee rebuttal
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you are interested in the on-going debate over ISP access charges, I sugest you look at a newly published report perpared for the Internet Access Coalition. It stomps on the RBOC assertions that dial-in access to the Net is having a generally negative impact on their telephone networks from both performance and financial asapects. http://www2.itic.org/itic/eti_toc.html --Steve

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Re: Constitution and a Right to Privacy
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:51 PM -0500 2/18/97, Vin McLellan wrote: > Marshall Clow wrote: > >>Let's not start this.... <snip> > >>If we are going to discuss privacy, that's fine. >>It we are going to discuss abortion, there are better fora. > > Right, Marshall. I was attempting to respond directly to Tim's >comment, but I too have no desire to let the end of C'punks be yet another >sinkhole Abortion Debate. Foil at guard. I'll subside and let any riptide >response roll over me;-). Then why did you begin an abortion debate? I made no claims one way or another about abortion, but cited the issue as the main place the "right to privacy" issue has come to the fore. And I said I found the argument uncompelling. I did not say I was against abortion, for abortion, or, for that matter, for or against infanticide. > (Jeeze! Anyone else feel like these are the Final Days, like when a >company goes bankrupt, or graduation day or the like?? I hope one of these >C'punkish alternatives will provide an opportunity for some of the same >thoughtful and stimulating engagements that toad.com hosted.) Unsurprisingly, I've gotten some of the messages from folks I often get when people dislike some post I've made. They go like this: "Tim, I really like some of your posts. But, Jeez, give it a rest on foobar! Can't you go back to writing about lahdidah?" In other words, the reader wishes I would write only about what he or she is interested in. Well, pay me my consulting rate and I'll do just that. I've written many thousands of articles over the past 4.5 years...some of them very long articles, some very short, most of medium length. (I despise one-line repartee, and I'm glad our list has never fallen into this mode as so many other lists have.) I write about what I find interesting. You all know where the Delete key is. (Of course, a fairly large fraction of my recent posts have been deleted for you by Sandy, who sends many of my posts to neither the Main list nor the Flames list. Bet a lot of you didn't know this, did you?) --Tim May > Respect to all, pro-choice and pro-life, > > _Vin Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Stop sending me your shit
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:04 PM 2/18/97 -0500, Alec wrote: >At 08:38 PM 2/18/97 +0200, you wrote: >: >:Get me off your list or else ..... . Get me out your fuckin list assholes. > >Certainly you learned on your mother's knee that you can get more of what >you want from other people with kindness rather than anger and rudeness. >What did she say about using foul words? Lets think about these things. > >You may be in for a long stay here. These folks can be downright nasty >sometimes. > ... Personally, I just responded to one persons statement, (the one with the modicum of courtesy) and decided to let this looser languish, (because of his foul additude). I think that by this, maybe, he'll learn not to bite the hand of the persons who he is asking for help from. It also gives me a none too innocent feeling of graditude to know that this person will suffer a little longer, all because I decided that I didn't like him.

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