December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

[PARANOID NOISE]Re: TWA 800 - Friendly Fire?
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:55 PM 9/7/96 -0700, you wrote: ><pstira(a)escape.com> wrote: >> The one thing I have been thinking about, since the very beginning, is >> am I the only person who feels this might have been somewhat less than >> unintentional? It sure would be easy to take those rights away if >> everyone is afraid for their "lives"... >> Look at what has been happening in the news lately, and look at how >> much is "unexplained" or flimsy evidencially speaking, in the very >> least. >> If, for instance, the government wanted to cut down on civil >> liberties/civil rights, it would seem MIGHTY CONVENIENT that so much >> is "accidentally" happening so close together. >> Ditto with the Olympics thing. >> I vote something is QUITE fishy, and I guess I hope I'm not the only >> one paranoid enough to feel the same. > >Sure something's fishy. Look at the technological capabilities they >have, and we're not keeping up with them. One example: > >L.A. riots, 1992. 6,500 or so fires, unknown arsonist(s). But very >convenient for clearing certain properties if you're putting in a new >freeway or subway tunnel, and you don't want to have to fight with all >the riffraff who might be resistant to getting up and moving. > >So how do you light all those fires? Do it the hard way - plant the >stuff (6,000-plus times!) and hope nobody catches your guys, or light >'em up from satellites, using "new experimental" focused energy. Gosh, >Mr. Bill, would they do that? Guess it depends on what you're willing to >believe. Remember what Tom Wolfe wrote about? "The reason the folks on >the East Coast (circa 1700's) were such easy victims for the pirates was >the fact that they couldn't comprehend just how vicious and ruthless the >pirates really were." (quote approximate). > > For some reason I find seeing satellites flying in formation rather disturbing. The classic 3-4-5 right triangle makes somebody's math easier, I'm sure. I have watched the sky for 20 years and seeing that pattern glide across the sky made we wonder just what the shuttle is doing up there. How many satellites have been placed in orbit? How precise are their positions? --j

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Re: take the pledge
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alright! it's a genuine PerryGram! I'll take the pledge; I've never been able to answer Sternlight without being significantly more offensive than usual! attila -- one of the few things we all share: the utter, corrosive contempt for our elected officials. -------------------------------------------------------- In, on 07/19/96 at 12:06 PM, "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> said: =Subject: take the pledge =Look, folks, we all know that 99% of what David Sternlight posts is =garbage. Why don't we all pledge not to answer any of his posts, and =then he'll go away. If necessary, someone can be appointed to post a =weekly "the views expressed by David are junk and we are deliberately =not replying to them directly" message. =David has plenty of places to argue with the wind. We don't need to =add this one. =I'd like to ask people to publically pledge that they will not reply =to David's messages. This is such a pledge. =Perry

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Re: /\/\/\/\/HELP\/\/\/\/\ !!!!!!!!!
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I really need help unsubscribing from the Cypherpunks list! it is imperative! > It is Imperrative that you do the following to ubsubscibe umself luddite. Get 3 other friends to send in messages to majordomo(a)toad.com with the line subscribe cypherpunks (their email address here) in the message then once they have subscribed send a message to cypherpunks(a)eff.org with the following in it: Authorise: (email 1) (email 2) (email 3) END replacing (email x) with their email addresses. then send a message to majordomo(a)toad.com with the line: unsubscribe cypherpunks (your email) and you will be taken off the 3 friends email addresses act as a security protocol to ensure you cannot be maliciously removed by someone else.. they will then have to repeat the exercise with 3 friends each of their own to unsubscribe themselves and so on down the chain... good luck. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az4= =riHc -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Another Namespace Collision
by Charles Gimon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.blacknet.cz *********************************************************************** Wild new Ubik salad dressing, not | gimonca(a)skypoint.com Italian, not French, but an entirely | Minneapolis MN USA new and different taste treat that's | http://www.skypoint.com/~gimonca waking up the world! | A lean, mean meme machine. ***********************************************************************

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Re: talker
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 21:52:25 EDT, Floyd W Odom wrote: > I am doom13. If there is anyone out there who is a hacker or >would like to be one you can talk to me and find out stuff like cracking. >Just drop a message at doom13(a)juno.com. Hmmmm... Want to bet our other friend at juno.com sent him? I might just end up killfiling juno.com... Obviously a low-IQ area of the net. - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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Re: talker
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:26 PM 9/8/96 -0500, Roger Williams wrote: > Yup -- you're never going to see a very high SNR out of Juno: Yes, the anarchy list has a persistent moron from Juno.com, educated well above his intelligence. A seriously proflic loon. I have told eudora to transfer everything from juno.com into my loon file, regardless of author. Makes AOL.com look like caltech. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: /\/\/\/\/HELP\/\/\/\/\ !!!!!!!!!
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996 16:46:40 -0500, kickboxer wrote: >I really need help unsubscribing from the Cypherpunks list! it is imperative! We could probably just condense that message by removing everything after the fourth word without losing much... - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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Re: talker
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I am doom13. If there is anyone out there who is a hacker or >would like to be one you can talk to me and find out stuff like cracking. >Just drop a message at doom13(a)juno.com. OK.... I'M sick of this spamming..... ITS CYPHERpunks, NOT CYBERpunks. ps.... u don't 'ask someone to be a hacker, u have to find it out ur self.... one more thing... how come all these 'spamers' are from juno... and one make this connect too??? my very own 13 year old $0.02 ========================================== Blake Wehlage <jwilk(a)iglou.com> ±» RëVðLû¡ØÑ Bø+ ©ÖmP@ñ¥ «± Goto: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk

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Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky.
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky. Late last year the organized violence monopolies of the world voted to give Bill Gates 400 Megahertz of bandwidth, at the same frequency in each monopoly. I would guesstimate the value of this grant to be around ten billion dollars. Don't run out and buy Microsoft shares. When I said Bill Gates, I meant Bill Gates. I did not mean Microsoft. Bill Gates intends to build an internet in the sky, eight hundred satellites in low earth orbit, each of them with big bandwidth connections to its nearest neighbors, and each with a four hundred megahertz connection to each of many squares of ground underneath it. What caused the collected killers of the world to show such unanimous generosity towards Bill Gates? Bill Gates proposed a network that would be completely censorable. He will not sell pipes to his space backbone, he will sell pipes from a particular rectangle on the ground to its space backbone. You would buy a right to connect from any place in a single small area, not any a right to connect from any place in the world, and Bill Gates would only sell such rights to government approved organizations, which would then presumably resell connections to private individuals -- connections that would first run through government controlled pipes to check for politically incorrect bits before they reached Bill Gates' sky backbone. Of course we should not condemn him too harshly for this: He needs approval from Singapore, Iran, France, Germany, Communist China, and the like, in order to get a single uniform world wide frequency band, and would be unlikely to get it for any reasonable proposal. The government pipes in his proposal are as useless as wheels on a fish, because he promises his ground stations will be quite cheap. Therefore private citizens who are not permitted direct access to his internet in the sky will feel the impact of tyranny immediately in their wallets. Bill Gates internet in the sky will provide short and near constant latency, therefore telephone connections running through it should be pretty good, whereas existing internet phone sucks mightily. Teledesic is promised to come on line in 2001, though we have seen how Microsoft meets schedules in the past. I conjecture 2006. I also predict that once the scheme is securely in place, and jamming it becomes painful, Bill Gates will find a thousand ways to chisel the government monopoly middlemen in his proposal. I would guess that Motorola's less ambitious Iridium project will only be a year or two late, but it has little potential to revolutionize the world the way Bill Gates proposal has. I expect once the scheme is in place, the government monopolies in Gate's plan will be under attack both from above and from below. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Deleted Message (fwd)
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn(a)schloss.li ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 16:56:55 -24000 From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil To: unicorn(a)schloss.li Subject: Deleted Message To: "Jon Lebkowsky" <jonl(a)well.com> From: MQG-SMTP3@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers[<unicorn(a)schloss.li>] Subject: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly? Message in Transport deleted by: ADMINISTRATOR@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers

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