December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: We removed radikal 154 from xs4all :(
by pjb＠ny.ubs.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

i was under the impression that germany's goal was to stop the distribution of radikal 154 by xs4all, not by 50 mirror sites. they seem to have accomplished their goal. do you really think that they will let a little thing like reason stand in their way when claiming victory? -paul > From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Tue Sep 24 06:43:51 1996 > From: sameer(a)c2.net > Subject: Re: We removed radikal 154 from xs4all :( > To: tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:22:40 -0700 (PDT) > Cc: tank(a)xs4all.nl, cypherpunks(a)toad.com > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset=US-ASCII> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Content-Length: 397 > > > Unfortunately, this means that Germany wins. > > How does this mean that Germany wins? "radikal 154" is still > available all over the world, at almost 50 mirror sites, I beleive > (including http://www.c2.net/radikal/) which are *not* blocked by > Germany. > > -- > Sameer Parekh Voice: 510-986-8770 > C2Net FAX: 510-986-8777 > The Internet Privacy Provider > http://www.c2.net/ sameer(a)c2.net >

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RE: List participation (noise)
by Mullen Patrick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't know why you guys rank on Tim May so much. Sure, he goes off topic sometimes. Hell, THIS MESSAGE IS OFF TOPIC AS IS THE MESSAGE I'M REPLYING TO! Get the point? Today, I had to delete more than 15 messages related to telling everyone how much of an asshole Tim is because he speaks off topic. Hello? Aren't these blatent (and I feel totally unwarranted) flames off topic? I think everyone should take a step back and look what's happening here. Everyone is so eager to point fingers, and they don't look at the fact that when you first get to your mail in the morning, there are over 100, even over 150 messages waiting for you! Of course, after deleting all of the noise (Thank God that damned TWA thread finally died!), you have maybe 50 messages you have to skim through, of which maybe 10 or 20 survive and go to the archive list of useful information. Maybe I should just stay out of it, but I feel these constant flamings of Tim are horribly wrong, and I've been ignoring the fact that I have to delete 20 messages about him every day for the past week. I actually find a lot of his postings interesting. Yes, half of his postings get the insta-delete-never-even-considered-for-reading treatment, but I just read an insightful message about "provably hard cryptosystems." Cryptosystems- Hm. Imagine that. Cryptosystems mentioned on a list call "Cypherpunks." ... And I thought it was the "Fuck the CIA, let's spread rumors about the US military shooting down commercial airliners out of New York, spam the spammers, kiddie-porn-on-the-net" discussion group... And now the disclaimer... Even with all of the noise, there is a lot of good information on this list, but my delete key is wearing out! :-) And please, if you don't have anything important to say, don't say anything. Posting noise does nothing but generate more noise (Hm... I wonder how much I've just generated! :-) Patrick _______________________________________________________________________________ From: Eric Hughes on Tue, Sep 24, 1996 6:38 Subject: List participation To: cypherpunks(a)TOAD.COM I have been informed that Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> wrote: > [...] Tim's off-topic spews have driven Eric Hughes, John Gilmore, > Rich Salz, and many other former valuable contributors off the > mailing list [...] As for me, I stopped having time to read cypherpunks a year and a half ago. Tim had nothing to do with it. The cypherpunks list has changed and I have changed; so be it. Eric ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com with SMTP;24 Sep 1996 06:38:22 -0400 Received: from toad.com by delphi.ndhm.gtegsc.com with SMTP; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:35:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA22337 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flamingo.sac.net (flamingo.sac.net [207.33.88.33]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22323 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mango.sac.net (mango.sac.net [207.33.88.36]) by flamingo.sac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA10771 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:21:54 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960923172509.00d6e4e4(a)flamingo.remailer.net> X-Sender: eric(a)flamingo.remailer.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:25:09 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)TOAD.COM From: Eric Hughes <eric(a)sac.net> Subject: List participation Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)TOAD.COM Precedence: bulk

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Re: Bork book
by Marc J. Wohler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:44 AM 9/24/96 -0500, you wrote: >Robert Bork was on NBC (I think) being interviewed to plug his hot >new book "Slouching Towards Gomorrah" (or something like that). > >Bork came across as kind-of a jerk, personality-wise. >-- Heard him on Limbaugh pushing hard for censorship as a cure for society's problems. Looks like Ted Kennedy & Co. were right to keep him off the court. Marc

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SAY WHAT? [Hallam-Baker demands more repudiations or he'll write!]
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:10 AM 9/24/96, hallam(a)vesuvius.ai.mit.edu wrote: >like Markof are somewhat more responsible. This is not going to stop me >from producing an op-ed piece linkiing the net libertarians to assasination >politics unless I hear a few more repudiations of Bell's ideas. If you >don't very clearly reject his murderous ideas you are going to regret it >just as the left regreted having the USSR or the RAF associated with them. hallam-baker: go back to your beloved England and your labour unions disguised as professional societies. stand on top of the ivory tower and enjoy the view --at least get the top of it out of your anal cavity. try leaving your closet, and smell the flowers. the british are behaving like wimps with their capitulation on privacy and any semblance of gun rights. I'll cast my vote with Tim May --talk in terms of extortion, and I'll tell you what you wish to hear: NO, I will not outright reject Jim Bell's "Assassination Politics." As Jefferson said: "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. . . . What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?. . .The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." also, piss off. we can defend american rights without a dawg- eared Brit liberal foaming at the mouth. as to regretting it --I doubt it. the second amendment was written with the idea of a populace who retains their personal rights and is not just another slave to the mafia/fascist form of government which the US has become. something a brit pansy _certainly_ would not understand: LIBERTY IS WORTH DYING FOR! -- one of the few things we all share: the utter, corrosive contempt for our elected officials.

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Clipper 3 spec release imminent
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

According to a story posted to C|net tonight, the Clinton administration will likely release the third Clipper/GAK proposal soon. The article (available at http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,3791,00.html ) indicates: "What the proposal specifies is still a matter of speculation, but an article today in the Daily Report for Executives quotes unnamed U.S. officials saying the plan will raise the ceiling on encryption export controls, institute a key-escrow system, and give the Commerce Department authority to grant export licenses. If the report is correct, the two big surprises are a new 56-bit limit key length, with export of anything higher subject to key escrow, and the authorizing of the Justice Department--most likely the Federal Bureau of Investigation--to reject any applications for export licenses." There's a sidebar to the story with several other crypto-related stories, mentioning ProCODE and last Friday's hearing in the Bernstein case. -- Greg Broiles | "We pretend to be their friends, gbroiles(a)netbox.com | but they fuck with our heads." http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | |

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Hallam-Baker demands more repudiations or he'll write!
by Rich Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:33 PM 9/23/96 -0700, tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote: >At 2:10 AM 9/24/96, hallam(a)vesuvius.ai.mit.edu wrote: > >>like Markof are somewhat more responsible. This is not going to stop me >>from producing an op-ed piece linkiing the net libertarians to assasination >>politics unless I hear a few more repudiations of Bell's ideas. If you >>don't very clearly reject his murderous ideas you are going to regret it >>just as the left regreted having the USSR or the RAF associated with them. > >I for one don't respond well to extortion threats, so write your damned article. Anyone who mistakes the lack of "repudiations" for AP on the list for some kind of tacit approval is not getting the whole picture, IMHO. Is this how journalists do their research nowadays -- "give me some info or I'll write something really bad about you that you'll regret?" Cool. I guess I thought there might still be some kind of pursuit of the truth involved. I personally don't have the time or energy to contribute to the AP threads. That != approval for the idea. I hope you include your above quote in your piece. Rich ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon U.S. State Censorship Page at - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/state New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause

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Re: AP [was kiddie porn on the net] [noise]
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Phill states: > I do support the presence of troops in Northern Ireland and >do not consider that to contradict my belief that there should be >a united, autonamous Ireland. I do not believe that the >"loyalists" are in fact loyal to the British way of life, any more >than the KKK are representative of the US south. Do as you like. Regrettably as long as there are British troops in Ireland, Britain will continue to encounter the occasional "Irish Cruise Missile." As several people have already pointed out, the solution is obvious. Brian

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(non-)repudiation, AP, Hallam and me
by bryce＠digicash.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I don't have the time or interest to read and write about Bell's evil kook daydreams or Baker's contorted statist rationalizations. Feel free to write any misrepresentations about me (in general or in specific) that you like. I'm sure in the long run it will do more harm to you than to me. For what it is worth, I long ago warned that cpunks needed to distance themselves from Bell in the public's eye. Nowadays I don't really care what the public thinks of cpunks. Regards, Bryce -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-signed under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 iQB1AwUBMkgYVEjbHy8sKZitAQHbpwL/XQfN72HBoOBmqodwD2WaAD4DBY6CP1zm VphitY08frCZcz/okbVlQx8Jzs68rDzkJAeGbYdeumYc5vixwkv0q0QCLTvluu+I t8fTfIuraSzZS2gUlE9BMkNirEK+z5jA =gnG0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: AP [was: Re: Kiddie porn on the Internet] [NOISE]
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: hallam(a)vesuvius.ai.mit.edu If you don't very clearly reject his murderous ideas you are going to regret it just as the left regreted having the USSR or the RAF associated with them. ........................................................................ ........... They wouldn't have to be repudiated in public. They could be repudiated in private, and he would never know what hit'im. <joke> There's so much hypocricy in the world, anyway, with groups not doing what they say or not saying what they really do, how can anyone believe what any group claims to believe in unless and until they engage in some kind of action. You might as well spend your time believing John Anonymous MacDonald. It's best to be prepared to defend yourself against anyone, regardless of what virtuous conduct they claim to believe in. .. Blanc > > > >

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