December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: talker
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:26 PM 9/8/96 -0500, Roger Williams wrote: > Yup -- you're never going to see a very high SNR out of Juno: Yes, the anarchy list has a persistent moron from Juno.com, educated well above his intelligence. A seriously proflic loon. I have told eudora to transfer everything from juno.com into my loon file, regardless of author. Makes AOL.com look like caltech. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: /\/\/\/\/HELP\/\/\/\/\ !!!!!!!!!
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996 16:46:40 -0500, kickboxer wrote: >I really need help unsubscribing from the Cypherpunks list! it is imperative! We could probably just condense that message by removing everything after the fourth word without losing much... - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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Re: talker
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I am doom13. If there is anyone out there who is a hacker or >would like to be one you can talk to me and find out stuff like cracking. >Just drop a message at doom13(a)juno.com. OK.... I'M sick of this spamming..... ITS CYPHERpunks, NOT CYBERpunks. ps.... u don't 'ask someone to be a hacker, u have to find it out ur self.... one more thing... how come all these 'spamers' are from juno... and one make this connect too??? my very own 13 year old $0.02 ========================================== Blake Wehlage <jwilk(a)iglou.com> ±» RëVðLû¡ØÑ Bø+ ©ÖmP@ñ¥ «± Goto: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk

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Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky.
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky. Late last year the organized violence monopolies of the world voted to give Bill Gates 400 Megahertz of bandwidth, at the same frequency in each monopoly. I would guesstimate the value of this grant to be around ten billion dollars. Don't run out and buy Microsoft shares. When I said Bill Gates, I meant Bill Gates. I did not mean Microsoft. Bill Gates intends to build an internet in the sky, eight hundred satellites in low earth orbit, each of them with big bandwidth connections to its nearest neighbors, and each with a four hundred megahertz connection to each of many squares of ground underneath it. What caused the collected killers of the world to show such unanimous generosity towards Bill Gates? Bill Gates proposed a network that would be completely censorable. He will not sell pipes to his space backbone, he will sell pipes from a particular rectangle on the ground to its space backbone. You would buy a right to connect from any place in a single small area, not any a right to connect from any place in the world, and Bill Gates would only sell such rights to government approved organizations, which would then presumably resell connections to private individuals -- connections that would first run through government controlled pipes to check for politically incorrect bits before they reached Bill Gates' sky backbone. Of course we should not condemn him too harshly for this: He needs approval from Singapore, Iran, France, Germany, Communist China, and the like, in order to get a single uniform world wide frequency band, and would be unlikely to get it for any reasonable proposal. The government pipes in his proposal are as useless as wheels on a fish, because he promises his ground stations will be quite cheap. Therefore private citizens who are not permitted direct access to his internet in the sky will feel the impact of tyranny immediately in their wallets. Bill Gates internet in the sky will provide short and near constant latency, therefore telephone connections running through it should be pretty good, whereas existing internet phone sucks mightily. Teledesic is promised to come on line in 2001, though we have seen how Microsoft meets schedules in the past. I conjecture 2006. I also predict that once the scheme is securely in place, and jamming it becomes painful, Bill Gates will find a thousand ways to chisel the government monopoly middlemen in his proposal. I would guess that Motorola's less ambitious Iridium project will only be a year or two late, but it has little potential to revolutionize the world the way Bill Gates proposal has. I expect once the scheme is in place, the government monopolies in Gate's plan will be under attack both from above and from below. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Deleted Message (fwd)
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn(a)schloss.li ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 16:56:55 -24000 From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil To: unicorn(a)schloss.li Subject: Deleted Message To: "Jon Lebkowsky" <jonl(a)well.com> From: MQG-SMTP3@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers[<unicorn(a)schloss.li>] Subject: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly? Message in Transport deleted by: ADMINISTRATOR@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers

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Deleted Message (fwd)
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cute eh? -- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn(a)schloss.li ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 17:00:49 -24000 From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil To: unicorn(a)schloss.li Subject: Deleted Message To: "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri(a)netcom.com> From: MQG-SMTP3@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers[<unicorn(a)schloss.li>] Subject: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly? Message in Transport deleted by: ADMINISTRATOR@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers

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No Subject
by gsi＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you would like to get your hands on the 96 hackers catalog its here and if you want to have it : to get it thriugh the snail mail system send 1.00 to the address below to get it through e-mail send .50 to the address below Patrick Cummings GSI 6302 Maple st. omaha,ne 68104 for more information write to gsi(a)juno.com

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(Fwd) Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky.
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- to: Bill Gates, Microsoft Corp. From: jf_avon(a)citenet.net Date: 8 sept 1996 Cc.: cypehrpunks(a)toad.com Mr. Gates Could you please enlighten me about this proposed system and about the veracity of the following information? Thanks jfa - -- Jean-Francois Avon, Montreal QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Limoges porcelain, silverware and crystal JFA Technologies R&D consultants: physicists technologists and engineers. PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 06:22:47 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> Subject: Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky. Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky. Late last year the organized violence monopolies of the world voted to give Bill Gates 400 Megahertz of bandwidth, at the same frequency in each monopoly. I would guesstimate the value of this grant to be around ten billion dollars. Don't run out and buy Microsoft shares. When I said Bill Gates, I meant Bill Gates. I did not mean Microsoft. Bill Gates intends to build an internet in the sky, eight hundred satellites in low earth orbit, each of them with big bandwidth connections to its nearest neighbors, and each with a four hundred megahertz connection to each of many squares of ground underneath it. What caused the collected killers of the world to show such unanimous generosity towards Bill Gates? Bill Gates proposed a network that would be completely censorable. He will not sell pipes to his space backbone, he will sell pipes from a particular rectangle on the ground to its space backbone. You would buy a right to connect from any place in a single small area, not any a right to connect from any place in the world, and Bill Gates would only sell such rights to government approved organizations, which would then presumably resell connections to private individuals -- connections that would first run through government controlled pipes to check for politically incorrect bits before they reached Bill Gates' sky backbone. Of course we should not condemn him too harshly for this: He needs approval from Singapore, Iran, France, Germany, Communist China, and the like, in order to get a single uniform world wide frequency band, and would be unlikely to get it for any reasonable proposal. The government pipes in his proposal are as useless as wheels on a fish, because he promises his ground stations will be quite cheap. Therefore private citizens who are not permitted direct access to his internet in the sky will feel the impact of tyranny immediately in their wallets. Bill Gates internet in the sky will provide short and near constant latency, therefore telephone connections running through it should be pretty good, whereas existing internet phone sucks mightily. Teledesic is promised to come on line in 2001, though we have seen how Microsoft meets schedules in the past. I conjecture 2006. I also predict that once the scheme is securely in place, and jamming it becomes painful, Bill Gates will find a thousand ways to chisel the government monopoly middlemen in his proposal. I would guess that Motorola's less ambitious Iridium project will only be a year or two late, but it has little potential to revolutionize the world the way Bill Gates proposal has. I expect once the scheme is in place, the government monopolies in Gate's plan will be under attack both from above and from below. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQEVAgUBMjIM9MiycyXFit0NAQFv0wf/dD4REx7IYcp/X+seWiDF73Z8Kr37E2IS rLub4J6XamQw2fMhDzgHiNhpy5HWH/mY1mQjOdhe5kA204aQKHk8ktXCQW6YC7fA VZCbJ+RJ0pluozWGOOC/hUbYed2vCEBjnjpBHaiFC3dHGVxHF43+L7nlp+RaeRCY Wb0H6XzwEh3Lei+vMzn/28RIJGabUOPSvDM6vK0AwNyZDXHobg/Ys7bTo9T8odvB Hz2WR2yBWT1uM1vasHfYDXeFwTvqFbdBv5TWXhNYzCdF6sexRAgD/iofoPmTLxno FdeVbG9pK09Zd3UDAu8x6Oojgi28S686f49YT0TyyeK8IjXNU9vYxQ== =F/SH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: LACC: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly?
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Julian Assange wrote: > > Certain members of the EFF board seem to be politically naive. The > > rational, intelligent lobbyist will always see both sides of the > > argument. Presenting both sides of the argument to the world at large > > is another matter altogether. You should only present both sides of the > > argument to the inner policy tactics personnel only in order to formulate > > policy and create defences for the weaknesses in your position. To the > > outside world only ever sees a united front. This is basic politics. > > This is certainly the way most people in political roles handle things, > and it is certainly an effective way of handling simple-minded people. > > However, it is one thing I find very difficult to respect. Respect or not, if your team is small and the field is large, and everyone else is playing gridiron, then don't expect to prove anything but your stupidity by playing cricket. > How many of the world's stupid policies have been enacted, because > someone decided to present only one side of an issue, realized it was > "the wrong side", and felt they couldn't later change their mind for the > better - because they presented the issue as overly black-and-white > initially? I agree, however you are confusing large parties, so dominant as to form government and policy at whim with those that represent a particular cause or interest group. The EFF falls into the latter category. Its goals are relatively narrow, its membership tiny. Such a small group, fighting under-resourced battle against powerful, conservative interests does not need, and should not espouse the arguments of those who seek to destroy it. When Canoing up a waterful, one does not need to paddle backwards 50% of the time in order to be "fair". -- "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_ +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+ |Julian Assange RSO | PO Box 2031 BARKER | Secret Analytic Guy Union | |proff(a)suburbia.net | VIC 3122 AUSTRALIA | finger for PGP key hash ID = | |proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu | FAX +61-3-98199066 | 0619737CCC143F6DEA73E27378933690 | +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+

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Re: [WAS xs4all.nl] Terrorists
by Jon Lebkowsky 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:01 AM 9/9/96 +0200, Stephan Schmidt wrote: >One thought : How many of you would support terrorist >web server (say Oklahoma, TWA, Iran, Lybia, RAF, IRA, ...) ? I.e. "How many of you support the right to free speech regardless of content." Wellll...there is the rule about speech which endangers; "fire in a crowded theatre" is the cliche-example. What could a terrorist SAY that would endanger? Personally, I'd rather have terrorists building html than bombs. -- Jon Lebkowsky <jonl(a)hotwired.com> FAX (512)444-2693 http://www.well.com/~jonl Electronic Frontiers Forum, 6PM PDT Thursdays <http://www.hotwired.com/eff> "No politician can sit on a hot issue if you make it hot enough."--Saul Alinsky

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