December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: LIMBAUGH ON TV
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 25 Jul 96 13:35:44 -0800, hallam(a)Etna.ai.mit.edu wrote: >I'm still rather amused by the terms of your bet, $50 vs 25L. >At current exchange rates 25 Lire is more like 2 cents. > >I thought I had already given my 2 cents. I think he meant 25 british Pounds and used L since the pound sign isn't kosher on many systems. // Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> - Webpages for sale! Se habla JavaScript! // Automatically receive my resume or PGPKEY by sending email with a subject // of 'send PGPKEY' or 'send resume'. Capitalization counts so be careful!

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Re: DES brute force? (was: Re: Borders *are* transparent)
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:10 7/23/96, Mixmaster wrote: >The problem with banking applications is that cracking a real key >causes lots of real damage. I don't think it is illegal (as long >as you don't withdraw somebody else's money), but publishing e.g. >one of the DES keys used for the "EC Card" PIN verification would >bring the European ATM system close to collapse. Finding a self- >generated key, on the other hand, is not very impressive. Keys can be changed. Sounds like a good target to me. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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Re: PREDICTIONS, MUST BE BREAK TIME...
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The AFIM can 'rebuild' fingerprints to overcome dirt a scar tissue > problems. It also uses a special lense which reads only 3d images so > photocopies and a cut off fingers will not work. > > Tyler Whitaker > ttw(a)spire.com > Senior Internet Engineer > Spire Technologies. It is interesting to note that when your fingers / hands are cut off they automagically turn into two dimensional objects. -- "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_ +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+ |Julian Assange RSO | PO Box 2031 BARKER | Secret Analytic Guy Union | |proff(a)suburbia.net | VIC 3122 AUSTRALIA | finger for PGP key hash ID = | |proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu | FAX +61-3-98199066 | 0619737CCC143F6DEA73E27378933690 | +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+

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Re: Twenty Bank Robbers -- Game theory:)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My commentary below supposes that the robbers are _not_ cypherpunks, but are fanatic logicians, and prefer poverty to death. It also assumes that all motions are non-debatable, which reduces the amount of dealmaking possible. At 05:52 AM 7/26/96 -0400, Rabid Wombat <wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org> wrote: >If only 19 and 20 are left, 19 has 50% of the vote, and can take all. #20 >loses out. >Therefore, with 18,19, and 20 left, 20 will take whatever 18 offers, as >it is better than getting nothing. >With 17,18,19,20 left, 17 should propose a split with 20, who will likely >get a smaller cut from 18, because of the above. > >With 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, three votes are needed, reducing the take for >the majority, so no one other than #16 is acting in their best interest >to approve a split, except for #19 trying to avoid losing out to 17/20 in >the next round. Not enough for a majority. Wrong. If 16 gets killed, 18 knows that 17 and 20 will probably split the money, so it's in 18's interest to team with 16 and 19. 15, 17, and 20 can also vote to split the money. 14's position is a bit shakier, but he's got more people to deal with. ...>... >All even-numbered cypherpunks should then expect a short life expectancy. >(You are number 6; who is number 1?) What do you want? - The money! # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # Dispel Authority!

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Am I protected by ignorance?
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Jul 26 11:26:59 1996 I have a question about legal issues: Lets asume I have a service provider in switzerland who gives me web-space. I publish strong cryptography there. The server itself is physically in USA, but my domain is something like "www.itar.ch" (a swiss web-address). Since there is no way for me to know where the server stands, do I violate the ITAR, and if so, am I realistically prosecutable? - --------< fate favors the prepared mind >-------- Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/remopini/rpcrypto.html - ------< words are what reality is made of >------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMfiPZBFhy5sz+bTpAQHbKggAi7kG/Bp8x+fApJTTSDw6AAcXe+U5TyVG ladtDvnQOQE66raEqvfTWUPuyB5Fa9xqRAe/kpSkxU7802TPMnxMii3dJPLaOMv7 eYZx58VVVeSmbnC3qnN4SU5uSYnS7dNXE50kPaZDq0bap3O2LVB0yTL30xqBuF5+ EJs73dJQRKt/UipbymTLmeThDM1bRj0CxRL5b1OHHoYM5yDMhpxrS5KWnke7Pxqe lTM3K+XTdpLC3MgmD15hpAfpn82uYGm8a21EsJ/ODLdxrdEv7mRm36V7EYH+JAqM 9jM3Hy38vnGHk6inB2dLGofa5tzFdbEhW2TtL6chRAnmemQkmVN8jg== =eWJb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Silliness on cypherpunks
by Clay Olbon II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While I don't intend to try to impose my views on what cypherpunks should discuss, I would like to inject some comments on some recent trends that I throw into the "silliness" category. The first issue is the seemingly sincere attempts at answering questions that are obviously irrelevant. IMO cypherpunks are not "Mr. Answer Man" for every question someone has regarding computers or electrical engineering. Sure, most of us are pretty capable of answering these questions - that doesn't mean that we should. Whenever I asked a silly question at home, my dad used to tell me - "look it up". The process of finding the answer was actually far more important than the answer itself. We should attempt to ignore these kinds of questions. Maybe eventually they will go away. My other "peeve of the day" is the wonderful introduction of the "mee too" postings to cypherpunks. I know it makes you feel really great to donate your old TRS-80 to the cause of brute-forcing DES, but honestly, most of us don't share your joy. Nuff said. For the record, I appreciate good humor (I get a real kick out of the "Cypherpunk Enquirer"). I think humor absolutely has a place on this list, I just differentiate humor from some of the "silliness" trends I noted above. Clay *************************************************************************** Clay Olbon II * Clay.Olbon(a)dynetics.com Systems Engineer * PGP262 public key on web page Dynetics, Inc. * http://www.msen.com/~olbon/olbon.html ***************************************************************** TANSTAAFL

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Re: Bare fibers
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:52 AM 7/25/96 -0700, abostick(a)netcom.com (Alan Bostick) wrote: >As has been mentioned earlier, all an attacker has to do is encourage >some of the light to exit the fiber, by bending it, contacting it with >a detector, etc. >If the detector is sensitive enough, the loss induced by this is minimal. >This sort of tapping is exactly the sort of thing quantum cryptography >is supposed to prevent, or at least identify. So far, so good. >Nothing short of quantum methods is going to spot the tap, >unless you happen to come across the tap by inspecting the entire >length of the fiber. Pressurized conduit is a favorite paranoid technique - if the Bad Guy cuts open the conduit to get at the fiber, your alarm system notices the pressure drop and goes off. For slightly less paranoid scenarios, you can use heavy narrow conduit with epoxied joints, and the extra alarm wire or two to help detect cutting. For substantially more paranoid types, you can always fill your conduit with some sort of flammable substance that reats with air... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # Dispel Authority!

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Re: Distributed DES crack
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Jul 26 13:25:22 1996 > At 10:30 7/23/96, Matt Blaze wrote: > > >My estimate is that an FPGA-based machine that can do a single DES key > >every four months (eight months to exhaust the whole keyspace) could > >be built with off-the-shelf stuff for comfortably under $50k (plus > >labor, plus software development costs). A prototype board should > cost > >under $1000 and will help prove the concept and get a more accurate > cost > >estimate. I expect to build such a prototype machine myself, and, if > it > >works as I expect, maybe the whole thing. > > I am willing to financially contribute to the project. > > If this were to be a card (via RS232 or PC-bus), thousands of people would be able to copy it, once the development process is finished. -> You'd have hardware that all those people could use for a distributed crack, the building cost would be distributed also (<$100), only development would have to be at one place (sponsored of course). Now, that would be a scary thought for DES-fans! - --------< fate favors the prepared mind >-------- Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/remopini/rpcrypto.html - ------< words are what reality is made of >------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMfirIxFhy5sz+bTpAQEpQggAsgkbxVgxbKSSMrCT/gjBvmagHhl0KWqd 9rtbRcp8D2jKXYQ1f7yVWsvD/UEWV4hKpZtUOLKk90HrnL96N+QERUsx55ojqHxQ VzOInVjEexlM+mIYcP+IYCmMtM05o7GcVJTFjmT9GrpNWSVrA0szwJnROLkkkJ9b JV8+QSKusYX+Xy5BBpBEmyb6036+zgurZuGll6+A0hks5azGnRlbcYMgQhQ1ToKn /TqeFSCxwPCMSrfnhtfMeyCCa0z7ysue36kXhZaSHbgw2Zm+ejaB4/lINjultl33 iE7IqcE3Q824itorCmak3PM3CslTOG6iOszRSL70JD8t0ddjt4c/UA== =+ipg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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NOT noise! Serious cypherpunkly work afoot
by bryce＠digicash.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anybody have a Nextstep box with gcc and gnumake that I can borrow some CPU cycles from? Thanks! Bryce Ecash 2.x Team -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-signed under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 iQB1AwUBMfi4yUjbHy8sKZitAQFAlAMA0yfFER9v3N9sYezA/Kt8oT7DeIX9NY1d nn2B3ErsG4O7RXvmHvbtSG7raysqP5VCGQKstdUuufAVR50XQZQeQaV5RAh9dJkw bGSsVdJwnpJUwzZKe8cKq2j3FcRRgqpJ =2Qj6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[FUNNY] Rich Graves exposed
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I didn't realize Rich is a neo-Nazi revisionist. :-) Path: ...!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.nap.net!news.pyrotechnics.com!kiwi.pyrotechnics.com!scallon From: scallon(a)pyrotechnics.com (Brendan J. F. Scallon) Newsgroups: can.politics,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.personals.intercultural,soc.couples.intercultural,alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.censorship,news.groups Subject: Re: Ken McVay and Rich Graves support censorship Followup-To: can.politics,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,alt.personals.intercultural,soc.couples.intercultural,alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.censorship,news.groups Date: 26 Jul 1996 03:41:43 GMT Organization: George Clinton/Bootsy Collins '96 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4t9epn$972(a)news.pyrotechnics.com> References: <4s5b5c$1s5(a)tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <alain-2007961547510001(a)maximon.e-sense.net> <4ss1co$eq(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> <slepokuo-2708561335090001(a)agta173.cadvision.com> <4ssifd$1b2(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> <005304Z22071996(a)anon.penet.fi> <4sun4t$rln(a)news1.panix.com> <093312Z22071996(a)anon.penet.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: kiwi.pyrotechnics.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] For those of you who do not understand: Kenneth McVay started the Nizkor Project after he stumbled across Dan Gannon's revisionist BBS (denies the Holocaust). His Nizkor Project had millions of byltes of data about the Holocaust and info about the revisionists (i.e. Gannon, Les Greaseball, Rich Graves, Kevin Alfred Strom, etc.); He was awarded the Order of British Columbia for his work. -- Brendan John Francis Scallon When it comes to the net, I'm scallon(a)pyrotechnics.com similar to the thrilla in Manila Race: Other__Celtic__ http://www.pyrotechnics.com/~scallon CLINTON/COLLINS '96 This country needs a Parliament

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