December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

problem
by Fallen Angel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I unsubscribed from your mailing list so why am I still receiving email from it. I No longer wish to receive any more mail, so please stop it. Fallen Angel fallenangel(a)multipro.com

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key escrow article on the Asahi Shinbun
by Hayashi_Tsuyoshi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I found key escrow article on the Asahi Shinbun. Asahi Shinbun is one of the most famous Japanese newspaper. I can't write more info because I am busy now. BTW, Asahi Shinbun has their own server: URL: http://www.asahi.com/. # English version is also available. - Tsuyoshi Hayashi <take(a)barrier-free.co.jp> - PGP public key: http://www.barrier-free.co.jp/take/pgpkey - (CF 27 34 5B 46 FA 2A 12 D2 4C E3 F7 2A 45 E0 22) - Barrier Free, Inc. (established on 25 Jan 1996)

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Re: Stop the presses -- Anti-terrorism bill not that bad
by Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Oh dear oh dear.... First off people on cypherpunks seem to have the idea that the type of people who go blasting peoples heads off have brains. Without wanting to inflate people's egos too much the average reader of cypherpunks is an awful lot smarter than your average criminal. Fancy plans to disolve gun barrels etc are way too complex for your average criminal and in any case it is substantially easier to drop a gun in a lake or the sea and less likely to result in incrimination than to try disolving it, run 200 rounds through it or whatever. Vacuming up powder left over from a rifle range would not help very much. One of the problems of building a bomb is to make sure that all the explosive goes off. A gas chromatograph is able to differentiate spent and unspent explosive. It would be easier to go off and buy the stuff from multiple sources or to make ones own explosive from nitrates with oxidants. I would expect that anyone vacuming up the residue from a gun club is likely to have difficulty explaining what he is doing. After all one does not usually go off to play Rambo, then stick an apron on and start doing the housework. I personally think that tagants is an insuffieicent approach to the problem. Given the number of gun related homicides in the US it is not unreasonable to require each individual cartridge to be stamped with a serial number and for gun dealers to be required to record each individual purchase. That at least was my advice to the UK govt after Dunblane. If people go arround claiming that ownership of guns is necessary so that people can commit acts of treason against the US govt then it is inevitable that there will be pressure for greater regulation. The NRA has been playing a bad hand stupidly. By raising the militia argument they have played into the hands of abolitionists. It would be entirely foolish for the crypto lobby to allow themselves to be tied to the NRA. The NRA has no choice but to support civil liberties, there is no reason why the wider civil liberties movement needs to support the NRA. More significant for crypto policy is the recent revelations about US spying on the European Union by spoofing CISCO routers via SNMP. That act should be exploited to drive a wedge between US attempts to bar use of cryptographic security systems and the members of the EU. Phill

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Re: "And who shall guard the guardians?" [NOISE]
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 13:50 04/08/96 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >>restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law >>and are necessary: >>(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others; >>(b) For the protection of national security or of >>public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ > >Lots of UN declarations of rights have this sort of exception; >"protection of public morals" is something so blatantly vague >and broad that if a government contends that such a concept exists, >as the covenant does, it could probably force the World Court >to conclude that it permits them to declare as "necessary" >just about anything short of burning witches and heretics, >and humanely beheading heretics, drug dealers, and anonymous remailer >operators is probably ok by this standard. Heretics it depends, drug dealers no problem, but anonymous remailer operators haven't been beheaded yet. Their persecution will probably take much more subtle forms -- denial of government jobs or contracts (lawbreakers and anarchists, after all), whatever hurts most. There are many ways of manipulation in an advanced, information based society that are no less cruel than the torture of more overtly authoritarian ones. International covenants aren't entirely useless: governments have to report to the UN how much success they are having in implementation, and are questioned closely. If indeed the fears of many of you come true, cypherpunks will have far greater awareness of human rights instruments and their usefulness (or lack thereof) before the century is done. Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ finger amehta(a)cerfnet.com for public key

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Re: crypto CD source
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Aug 05 09:07:49 1996 Addendum: If I have more than 1000 buyers, the price drops to around 9 USD per CDROM. >Estimated prices (USD) - If I have at least 300 "certain" buyers: >CDROM with 2-color label and jewel-case: USD 13.- >Shipment US: USD 3.- (swiss mail sucks!) >Shipment Europe: USD 2.- >Since the origin of those CD's is Switzerland, no ITAR would apply. - --------< fate favors the prepared mind >-------- Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/remopini/rpcrypto.html - ------< words are what reality is made of >------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMgWdxhFhy5sz+bTpAQEsmQf9GwGi2Mz3e6/HlTA0Ry5FpI14uPxk7qzS id7GJ50dL88q8M0JcLEOEWu3SZuhvgInV7aG3YzhjyaOs8tmCW1WKilUzgDXyIMQ mnvlqfWilquKRQN2LW+5DjBaECeuDTHSYH/EJofsU7v6ivLBCe39yM51h+5SFG0c mZRQebJFBge6udvhFfdtoDWMP7D1pZE+6ZtOCFeeZUmntNQtGH7KLD/rijfiuFWN uwl1d2779QDhu4FtEOm363f9HO4r2fU7K5B7g0dSeBF2uhZCgcJd7TzhwkmSupxO rT0VyJtYy6YcTs9YFbvxNABQ6RtRvKVbSxzLGAdPkAKXFDFodjTw6w== =2Z4p -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Validation Code for WBS Access
by WebChat Broadcasting System 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: crypto CD source
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Aug 05 09:03:30 1996 Well, I could. Estimated prices (USD) - If I have at least 300 "certain" buyers: CDROM with 2-color label and jewel-case: USD 13.- Shipment US: USD 3.- (swiss mail sucks!) Shipment Europe: USD 2.- Since the origin of those CD's is Switzerland, no ITAR would apply. If you're interested (at least 300 of you), mail me. Subject line: CryptoCD Anonymous guys ignored (but data handled confidentially and encrypted on my machine). If you want more than one, send more than one mail (but with a different body, so I can kill duplicated mails). Once I get more than 300 requests, I'll start putting it together and have it mastered. At that point I will request a written order (fax or so). If anyone has a better idea on how to handle the stuff, mail me... > I have about 100MB (compressed) of crypto archives, papers, source code, > etc etc, reasonably well organised with descriptions of each file. I've > got a friend to put it on CD, but only for my own use. If there's > someone who can get them done in bulk outside the US you could probably > use this as a crypto CD (I don't think there's anyone in NZ who could do > it, and I don't really want the hassle of organising the whole thing). - --------< fate favors the prepared mind >-------- Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/remopini/rpcrypto.html - ------< words are what reality is made of >------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMgWcxBFhy5sz+bTpAQE1/gf/eJI+dt1guw0joLKoBpm0ShpvK3/fHFwb SUlMJSaLgEODR9DRCC+uYc3+mRTNLrup8w1XIcQO1OAZO/GQumL97y8TtLp8fBpY FcNTYxtXY/UflHE5OySLWIz4jfNArIpZBxXb/zuUqrAqCj5NsWWHUsb45CM/j8cy 1dYT5wcoGELbJiZy1jVZV6eEmqliZIZAtD+fU+bq4oJIgDRCEDWt6RTJPhoHfx5F wxEuOkpeBQi8uJD9gL85lk5S7Exa1n/0u8+UgE1sm9UMIRA8IOzRK3lIlRvT+0VI 0r2lK4wnKdhmILkPcxGq+82bUZ7HUepS4oZGAduzhW73ANtMEzVPxw== =5+88 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Getting serious: Crypto CD
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: secure(a)commtouch.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Aug 05 10:43:16 1996 Dear Sirs I want to put together a CDROM containing "everything" a cryptographically interested person needs. I would like to include your cryptographically relevant products. The CD will be organized the following way: - - the user interface consists of HTML-pages - - one of these pages will include a directory of files - - one directory entry will be your product (whatever you prefer as a name) and leads to a page/pages of your design. - - you can use a directory named after your company (but in compliance with CDROM restrictions -> 8 letters, no special chars, i.e. "mycompny" or so) and any subdirectories you want. - - binary program space is restricted to 25 MB - - html space is restricted to 1 MB Dos and Donts: - - program limitations (stuff you only get when you register/buy the full product) must be declared. - - export/usage restrictions must be declared (US/nonUS) Further info: The CD will be sold at around USD 15 (including shipment) Advertisement: Seperate advertisment (html pages and graphics) can be made for USD 50.- per page (<200K). A link on the index page will be included. Legalese: - - This CD will be mastered and shipped outside US, so whatever you send us (if you send it from outside US) will not be affected by ITAR. - - The copyright will remain in your hands, you only grant Pini Computer Trading (PCT) the permission to duplicate and distribute the content on a CDROM and, should we choose to do so, on the internet. - - The legality of your content is your responsiblity. If you are interested, mail me... Sincerely yours, Remo Pini Pini Computer Trading PS: This message may have been forwarded by anyone. If you receive it several times, ignore the redundant mails. PSS: This message may be forwarded to anyone offering a cryptographically relevant product. (-> forward ahead, cypherpunks) - --------< fate favors the prepared mind >-------- Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/remopini/rpcrypto.html - ------< words are what reality is made of >------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMgW0JRFhy5sz+bTpAQFdsQgAsxz04ridQ+urdvMVQzpBVkjonuc0ek4Q GihsyATZi2U0Fi73UleJsOz9rsnmodvcJYvkQ2Omtp7mQOFHYWBi7nihELMb06OQ YXduCr/0BQWRX+ORrJtQtehMdctzHnQcTV1AEcCR400YQlBu2YLiB7MLWsEtvqoK 15q0q3Hu7TMOVvplgSMjAT2yAevI5iKEn1AJ5q+kqjQ81fT3KTtuJh2U06TLtSQp 2PecOIk8rPq6fy+wyQN6/PssLrbKkPIKDzMwpupDUb4rEMGNJYP/wykF4BN+vBBE 8pvpD+qd5iODCZplsQ1lY95t48xqBsZ4AQHl8W5WKha5LMBuIFVmIQ== =RdAm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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gathering bandwidth through spam
by Mike McNally 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Maybe I'm dense, but it didn't really "click" until the other day that the Netscape mail reader, which renders html pages mailed as attachments right there in the mail reader window, would also run any Java applets (and, I guess, Javascript code) referenced by the page. If you're using Netscape as a mail reader, and this isn't old news to you, you can try it: point the browser at a page with an applet, and then use the "File->Mail Document" menu command to mail it to yourself. Thus: if you want to gather some free compute cycles, just spam a document out to a few thousand hapless victims. Those using Netscape for mail (and you can find them pretty easily by looking at the "X-Mailer" field when creating your mailing list) will click on your message, pull your applet, and give you some cycles without realizing it. Of course, your applet will be free to connect back to home base and relay any results it gets. Cool, huh? ______c_____________________________________________________________________ Mike M Nally * Tiv^H^H^H IBM * Austin TX * For the time being, m5(a)tivoli.com * m101(a)io.com * <URL:http://www.io.com/~m101> * three heads and eight arms.

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International Conference on Electronic Markets !
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: Ram Chellappa <ram(a)yama.bus.utexas.edu> Subject: International Conference on Electronic Markets ! To: www-buyinfo(a)allegra.att.com Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 2:54:04 CDT Reply-To: ram(a)cism.bus.utexas.edu X-Hpvue$Revision: 1.8 $ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Message/rfc822 X-Vue-Mime-Level: 4 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Seventh Conference on Organizational Computing, Coordination and Collaboration International Conference on Electronic Markets ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR MORE INFORMATION: http://ecworld.utexas.edu/others/flyer.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Theme : Electronic Markets Date : November 6-8, 1996 Location : IC2 Institute, 2815 San Gabriel, Austin, Texas 78705 Questions About program: contact Dr. Andrew Whinston at 512-471-8879 About registration/logistics: contact the RGK Foundation at 512-474-9298 or jhampton(a)zilker.net Sponsors : * IC2 Institute * Center for Information Systems Management * College and Graduate School of Business Administration at The University of Texas at Austin; * RGK Foundation * National Science Foundation Who should attend * Software developers and managers in the electronic commerce area * Executives concerned with developments in banking and finance * Executives concerned with developing on-line customer service and logistics support * Executives who make investments in next generation technology * Executives who develop internal operations support * Academics in information systems, marketing, finance, organizational behavior, and service management concerned with the emerging research topics in the electronic commerce domain. -- RAMNATH K CHELLAPPA Ph: 512-467-7813 (home) Doctoral Candidate 512-471-7962 (office) Center for Information Systems Management Department of MSIS University of Texas, Austin. Web: http://cism.bus.utexas.edu/ram email: ram(a)cism.bus.utexas.edu --Some people have 10 years of experience, while some have one year of experience, 10 times over !!! --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender." -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard, for Bart Simpson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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