December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: WARNING: SecureDrive & PartitionMagic
by Geoffrey C. Grabow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 15:47 08/04/96 -0400, Charley Sparks wrote: > > >where can I get a copy of SD and does it work with NT ?? > Check out: http://www.serve.com/ruccia/securedr.html for the SD. As for working on NT... I haven't the foggiest. I've got a kludgey way of using it under win95, but it mostly works. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMgUdrsr4ljoOgY7BAQGTpQP+IZXlrMJh3snU27ydLDcdzCOeDC813GYW ujHcDpHiItY7Uq4hgBW6qoHIhmrb8DRHgVJDWyfa/OAmwJzs6sAOEzQCP1ktPM7b LLn1oPphtoPCXN1RXB+s38jHZmzzY32sLidmAqgpMDRboUwDvKfczHs9Tik1PzgQ X3k3S43k0pc= =+lgv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- G.C.G. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Geoffrey C. Grabow | Great people talk about ideas. | | Oyster Bay, New York | Average people talk about things. | | gcg(a)pb.net | Small people talk about people. | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | PGP 2.6.2 public key available at http://www.pb.net/~wizard | | and on a plethora of key servers around the world. | | Fingerprint = A6 7B 67 D7 E9 96 37 7D E7 16 BD 5E F4 5A B2 E4 | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | That which does not kill us, makes us stranger. - Trevor Goodchild | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Internal Passports
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:02 AM 8/1/96 -0700, tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote: >Question (a la "Wired"): "When will the United States introduce an internal >passport?" >May: "2005, but they won't call it that." Stewart: "Last week, but they didn't call it that." According to Alaska Airlines, the FAA's policy as of last week has switched to a mandatory policy that if you don't produce government-issued photo-id, you can't get on the plane; the previous policy had been more flexible. The folks stamped my ticket "Documents Verified" - looks suspiciously similar to "Papers In Order". (Which they actually weren't, on my return trip; I handed her my work ID in the same plastic carrier as my train pass, and handed her the credit card I'd bought the tickets with explaining that I wasn't on government business and asking when had the policy changed and commenting. And the nice Rent-A-Xray-Technician who asked if I minded if he searched my computer bag was totally confused when I said "Yes, of course I mind.") You can still travel in a car if someone else is driving, and you can still get on a train without identification, but without papers you can't fly or drive, and you can't ride a horse on the freeway except in the back of a horse trailer. Driver's licenses were the beginning of a long downhill trend. I wonder if they'll still accept an American passport; the country has obviously been taken over by Pod People while we weren't looking.... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> Defuse Authority!

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Re: Stop the presses -- Anti-terrorism bill not that bad
by Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Oh dear oh dear.... First off people on cypherpunks seem to have the idea that the type of people who go blasting peoples heads off have brains. Without wanting to inflate people's egos too much the average reader of cypherpunks is an awful lot smarter than your average criminal. Fancy plans to disolve gun barrels etc are way too complex for your average criminal and in any case it is substantially easier to drop a gun in a lake or the sea and less likely to result in incrimination than to try disolving it, run 200 rounds through it or whatever. Vacuming up powder left over from a rifle range would not help very much. One of the problems of building a bomb is to make sure that all the explosive goes off. A gas chromatograph is able to differentiate spent and unspent explosive. It would be easier to go off and buy the stuff from multiple sources or to make ones own explosive from nitrates with oxidants. I would expect that anyone vacuming up the residue from a gun club is likely to have difficulty explaining what he is doing. After all one does not usually go off to play Rambo, then stick an apron on and start doing the housework. I personally think that tagants is an insuffieicent approach to the problem. Given the number of gun related homicides in the US it is not unreasonable to require each individual cartridge to be stamped with a serial number and for gun dealers to be required to record each individual purchase. That at least was my advice to the UK govt after Dunblane. If people go arround claiming that ownership of guns is necessary so that people can commit acts of treason against the US govt then it is inevitable that there will be pressure for greater regulation. The NRA has been playing a bad hand stupidly. By raising the militia argument they have played into the hands of abolitionists. It would be entirely foolish for the crypto lobby to allow themselves to be tied to the NRA. The NRA has no choice but to support civil liberties, there is no reason why the wider civil liberties movement needs to support the NRA. More significant for crypto policy is the recent revelations about US spying on the European Union by spoofing CISCO routers via SNMP. That act should be exploited to drive a wedge between US attempts to bar use of cryptographic security systems and the members of the EU. Phill

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Re: CDT Policy Post 2.25 - Senate Encrypti
by RICHARD VINCENT 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- [ From: RICHARD VINCENT * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Monday, 24-Jun-96 01:57 AM From: Shabbir J. Safdar \ Internet: (shabbir(a)vtw.org) To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com \ Internet: (cypherpunks(a)toad.com) Subject: Re: CDT Policy Post 2.25 - Senate Encrypti Damn, we've been found out. I don't suppose anyone will notice the fact that although I've helped with the preparation for the SAFE day, I won't actually be attending the event. Clearly, I don't want to get caught. -Shabbir J. Safdar * Online Representative * Voters Telecomm. Watch (VTW) http://www.vtw.org/ * Defending Your Rights In Cyberspace PS On a more serious note, I can't get testimony into the record for this hearing if you don't send it to me. Sooo...please either fill out the form at http://www.crypto.com/submit/ or if you find that format too constraining , just send it to me in email. I'll see what I can do to make sure PGP signatures are reproduced intact in the Congressional Record. Most everyone I know cannot simply jaunt off to D.C. for a day. Why not at least make your voice heard? anonymous-remailer(a)shell.portal.com writes: >WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS VIOLATION OF OUR RIGHTS? EVER HERE THAT >IN THE US VOTES ARE supposed to be *****SECRET*****??? NO MORE! > >Why does the vtw cdt etc want to hand over your name to the us gov? Notice >how there's two events one on the east cost and the other on the west coast

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Re: Internal Passports
by drose＠AZStarNet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: >I wonder if they'll still accept an American passport; the country >has obviously been taken over by Pod People while we weren't looking.... I don't know if this was an isolated incident, but I recently attempted to pick up a package at the Post Office using my passport as I.D. NO, I was told, this is not acceptable identification, and as a union worker, you can't tell me what to do. Appeals to chicken-hearted management were brushed off; I finally identified the highest ranking union official (shop steward?), who reluctantly ordered the recalcitrant worker to fetch my parcel. Your guess is as good as mine... Dave Rose

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Re: Stop the presses -- Anti-terrorism bill not that bad
by drose＠AZStarNet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Phil H-B writes: >Oh dear oh dear.... (Mucho B.S. elided) Dear Doc: Trollmeister supreme Sternlight has left the building. Hint...hint...

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Re: Internal Passports
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 15:48 8/4/96, Bill Stewart wrote: >I wonder if they'll still accept an American passport; the country >has obviously been taken over by Pod People while we weren't looking.... A US passport is not considered valid ID by the State of Oregon. If somebody here doesn't belive this, send someone who looks like he might be under 21 into any liquor store in Oregon with just an US passport. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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Re: Stop the presses -- Anti-terrorism bill...[Noise]
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Phill Hallam-Baker <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> wrote: >Oh dear oh dear.... ... >I personally think that tagants is an insuffieicent approach to >the problem. Given the number of gun related homicides in the >US it is not unreasonable to require each individual cartridge >to be stamped with a serial number and for gun dealers to be >required to record each individual purchase. That at least >was my advice to the UK govt after Dunblane. So _THAT'S_ how they could have prevented the atrocity. ;> Weakening caused by the stress of stamping, the immensity of the number of cartidges fired every day in the U.S., and the fact that revolvers *exist* aside, we have these strange people called "reloaders" in this country, Phill, and right now they have LOTS of unstamped brass on hand. Criminals who wanted it would have an unlimited supply into the foreseeable future. I agree with you that criminals are, on the whole, dumber than cypherpunks, but it is easy for them to pick up ideas like shooting a few hundred rounds or filing a barrel etc. whether or not they are as likely as we are to have them first. They already use all-fabric bleach to get any blood/DNA out of clothing used in crimes, and even if they ARE stupid, they sit around jail cells an awful lot talking about how to get away with their crimes next time. JMR Regards, Jim Ray -- DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy "Big business never pays a nickel in taxes, according to Ralph Nader, who represents a big consumer organization that never pays a nickel in taxes." -- Dave Barry Defeat the Duopoly! Vote "NOTA," not Slick/Dull in November. Harry Browne for President. Jo Jorgensen for Vice-president. http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/ ___________________________________________________________________ PGP id.E9BD6D35 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 <mailto:liberty@gate.net> http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray Coming soon, the "Pennies For Perot" page. Keep billionaires off welfare! ___________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQCVAwUBMgVRim1lp8bpvW01AQFwxAP7B4AugPSgmbnhFE3J7d8un1CMzYTznJkq 4Pf8zjH9iOo3pn+LoY7QgOFjUZo5tcuGRfyiEWJozfoeykhQ7Ds3tpiAUtfx2smN 1O9LGHuzv6WDOKuqK4bKAS20S0W2lWRgcDDBc8PEcXdSgekCDCgBFKRPr+IKY/jP j2TIIVt0aLE= =dOud -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Stop the presses -- Anti-terrorism bill not that bad
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 20:20 8/4/96, Hallam-Baker wrote: >If people go arround claiming that ownership of guns is necessary >so that people can commit acts of treason against the US govt >then it is inevitable that there will be pressure for greater >regulation. The NRA has been playing a bad hand stupidly. By >raising the militia argument they have played into the hands >of abolitionists. Appeasement never works. See the following two quotes. "1935 will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." - Adolf Hitler * > What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not <* * > warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit <* * > of resistance? Let them take arms!" - Thomas Jefferson, 1787 <* NRA Life Member and proud of it, -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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Re: Internal Passports
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:01 PM 8/4/96 -0700, Lucky Green wrote: >At 15:48 8/4/96, Bill Stewart wrote: > >>I wonder if they'll still accept an American passport; the country >>has obviously been taken over by Pod People while we weren't looking.... > >A US passport is not considered valid ID by the State of Oregon. If >somebody here doesn't belive this, send someone who looks like he might be >under 21 into any liquor store in Oregon with just an US passport. This is because Oregon has been taken over by The Pod People. (Or at least, the Oregon Liqueur Control Commission has.) Getting such foolishness reversed is difficult when you have as many control freaks in the State Legislature (and elsewhere). --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon "Microsoft -- Nothing but NT promises."

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