December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: **"OuR" Project press release** (fwd)
by Stu Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim, as your back of the envelope calculations indicate LEO is very difficult. Luckily, the members of ouR team know this, and have no naive desire to achieve such a goal. Don't know how you thought they did.... Stu ----------------- Stu Barrett e-mail: stu(a)zilker.net Phone: 512-255-6052 "Out the transceiver, down the coax, through the router, down the fiber, off another router, down the T1, past the firewall.....nothing but Net."

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Re: www.anonymizer.com
by bf578＠scn.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > >> >>I have found and reported to the anonymizer that it does not >>always protect you against perl-based cgi scripts. I did this by >>accessing a form-based email page (based on Matt's script) which includes >>environment variable values in the msg to the recipient. I didn't >>receive any response back from them after I emailed them the info. > > > Am I missing something here because isn't the easiest way around all of this is simply not to enter your personal info when setting up Netscape? Granted the page can pick up your ISP and what port you used, but so what? It can't get your name and em ail address. Use a newsreader such as Free Agent so there's no reason to enter your personal info. If there is a reason to respond to someone who's email is in on a particular page, then copy it and paste to your emailer... > > I don't like getting the junk-email after visiting some pages, telling me what a great service they have (Hey I was just there!!), etc. -- ------------------------------------------ There are no facts, only interpretations. I always wanted to be somebody,

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Re: Intel to rule the basic crypto engine market?
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Or About: 30 Aug 96, 19:44, William H. Geiger III misspelled: goverment (government) alow (allow) here cries (Should be hear) atemps (attempts) instpected (inspected) believeing (believing) But, he is getting better.

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Re: Nuke Singapore Back into the Stone Age
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 30 Aug 1996 14:48:34 -0700, Steven L Baur wrote: >Charley> We could launch a mail-bomb campaign.. I am looking for the >Charley> source for a mail bomb program. WinTel would be nice but I >Charley> could use Linux >This isn't rocket science. >#! /bin/sh ># call as: mailbomb victim(a)somewhere.sg >while true; do > mail $1 < /usr/local/bin/xemacs >done Better yet, use ls -r /news to build a list of things to send. Nasty! >What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"? >Coincidence? I think not. <ooh> BAD! Somebody shoot him! - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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RE: Mimic Function Stego Programs?
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:33:18 +0100, Andy Brown wrote: >> dictionary: 1=sofa 0=couch >> input: The couch is very comfortable >> output (0): The sofa is very comfortable. >> output (1): The couch is very comfortable. > >This idea generalises well from human to computer assembly languages. >You often have a choice of which instruction to use to achieve your goal, >and a stego assembler could quite easily be constructed. I *like* it! - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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Re: ~~ Bankers' Secrets ~~
by bf578＠scn.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Aug 30 19:41:53 1996 X-FreePort-Flags: Received: from emin02.mail.aol.com (emin02.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.51]) by scn.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA20565 for <bf578(a)scn.org>; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by emin02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA26649 for bf578(a)scn.org; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 22:36:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 22:36:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199608310236.WAA26649(a)emin02.mail.aol.com> From: Mailer-daemon(a)aol.com Subject: Returned Mail: Undeliverable To: bf578(a)scn.org The mail you sent could not be delivered to: 550 massmail(a)aol.com is not a known user The text you sent follows: >From bf578(a)scn.org Fri Aug 30 22:36:02 1996 Return-Path: bf578(a)scn.org Received: from scn.org (scn.org [198.137.188.24]) by emin02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA26547 for <massmail(a)aol.com>; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 22:36:01 -0400 Received: (from bf578@localhost) by scn.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA20156; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608310240.TAA20156(a)scn.org> From: bf578(a)scn.org (SCN User) To: massmail(a)aol.com Subject: Re: ~~ Bankers' Secrets ~~ Reply-To: bf578(a)scn.org > >=======> BANKING SECRETS REVEALED!! <======= > >====> SAVE $100,000 & EARN 7% to 10% INTEREST <==== > >Dear Friend, > >Did you know that you can save up to $100,000 on the >biggest investment in your life? For MANY Americans they >have a dream to one day own their home. When that dream is >reached, they spend the rest of their life paying that dream Funny, they didn't leave an email address? Probably don't even know what lists this is be posted to! For the money you probably get info on how to call your mortgage company and find out if makeing smaller/earlier payments will reduce the principle and the interest re-caculated. Then invest the money you save to earn interest! I know several people who do this. You don't make extra payments just divde your $1000 month (or whatever) into 3 $333.33 payments. You need a sizable principle/long term loan for this to be worthwhile, and of course a properly worded mortgage. -- ------------------------------------------ There are no facts, only interpretations. I always wanted to be somebody,

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Re: Intel to rule the basic crypto engine market?
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:42:31 -0700, Ross Wright wrote: >goverment (government) >alow (allow) >here cries (Should be hear) >atemps (attempts) >instpected (inspected) >believeing (believing) You know, we've all realized that even an anal retentive can use a spell checker on someone else's posts. Do we really need continual proof? - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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Re: Phoneco vs X-Phone
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 17:45 20/08/96 -0800, jim bell wrote: > >The fact is, LD phone is a business that, like it or not, is going to shrink >drastically _in_terms_of_dollars_, simply because the cost of that service >will likewise, go down. That's life. Perhaps the answer to this interesting debate between Vipul and Jim lies in looking at what happened to computers as they became cheaper. There was a time when someone at IBM predicted that the needs of the entire world would be met by about 50 computers or so, but now that computers are almost free (as Jim argues bandwidth has become), we have almost that many in a single household (counting all the video games, watches, car and appliance electronics). People found new ways to use computers, so they used far more of them. So much so, that the computer industry overall did not shrink, but grew. There was a time when you bought "time" on a computer, as you do in long-distance telephony. Changing over to computer purchase didn't kill the industry. So if you were sold a size of bandwidth pipe instead of how many hours you actually use it, and eliminated the cost of accounting for time usage, I think we'd all be happier -- except maybe the IBMs of telecom. Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ finger amehta(a)cerfnet.com for public key

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DON'T Nuke Singapore Back into the Stone Age
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 17:55 29/08/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >Personally, if this crackdown in Singapore happens, I intend to post >various anti-Singapore and anti-Lee Kwan Yew & Sons screeds to various >newsgroups that Singaporans might like to read. Then, if the Yew Dynasty >decides to pull the plug, it'll be to more and more groups. There are two sides to this: after all, it is the Singaporeans who finally have to sort out this problem with their government, and denying them the Usenet platform for discussion would only hinder that process. Then again, inappropriate postings are the bane of the Internet: the consensus on which the Net functions relies heavily on people not posting inappropriately. Of course, posting anti LKY stuff on a Singapore newsgroup might be perfectly appropriate -- it is the "more and more groups" part I am worried about. I quite frankly disapprove of the mail-bomb suggestions made on the list. Accessing the Internet is hard enough without these additional roadblocks. Mail-bombing one person on a server punishes everybody else on that server too. We need to work with the people in Singapore on this, not make enemies of them. I'm glad that the situation in Singapore is attracting much attention on this list, and that people want to do something about it. China is seriously interested in the experiment, and India will be too: the law here holds the ISPs responsible for ensuring that nothing objectionable and obscene is carried by them, and what simpler way to comply than to simply use the Singapore proxy. Right now, the law isn't being enforced, but soon some headline-seeking politician will point out this out, and the problem will be with us. So, it is important to nip the Singapore experiment in the bud. However, I think that the constructive approach, one which furthers the Net, "routes around", would work better. For instance, I'd love to see some smart venture capitalist fund a project that makes use of surplus, off-peak bandwidth on a transponder on any of the myriad satellites floating over Asia to download Web pages on request. Ideally, I should be able to send via pgp and anonymous remailer a request for a page, which would soon come beamed down unencrypted via satellite. No more waiting hours for the latest version of Netscape to download, and then restarting from scratch every time the line drops. Also, goodbye censorship. Even if the government decided to cut off Internet access completely, I'd still be able to receive what others such as Tim think might be of interest to me. How would this generate revenue? Well, there could be advertising appended to select pages, for instance. In any case, with so much uncertainity about how commerce on the net will work, and in good Internet tradition a la Netscape, it would probably be smarter to start with a free service, and figure out later how to make money from it, once it becomes popular. In a few years, satellite-based Internet access will become widespread and affordable. However, the next few years are really crucial. Governments are still trying to figure out how to deal with the Net, frame legislation, etc. This would be a good time to present them with a fait accompli. Hong Kong will revert to China next year. What better gift to the nervous freedom fighters there, than to help them with their Internet access? Maybe Hong Kong will take over China, instead of the other way around... I remember in Sculley's book "Odyssey: from Pepsi to Apple" he mentions how Steve Jobs finally convinced him to join Apple by asking if he wanted to sell sugared water for the rest of his life, or would he rather change the world. The Internet presents opportunities like that to far more people, and this, IMHO, is one of them: any would-be Sculleys out there? Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ finger amehta(a)cerfnet.com for public key

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encryption
by patrickbc＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Will pay $5.00 for a good encryption program. Write to patrickbc(a)juno.com

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