December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

premail-0.44, WHERE DO I GET IT.
by Anonymous User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cpunks: I tried to find the perl script premail (v. 0.44) that is described at the Raph Levien's page. Unfortunately, EVERY place where it is purported to be is screwed up: ftp.csua.berkeley.edu does not respond to FTP commands, Levien's download page returns premail 0.43 instead of 0.44, and ftp.hacktic.nl does not have premail-0.44. WHAT TO DO??? WHAT TO DO??? WHAT TO DO???

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No Subject
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: CWD -- Jacking in from the "Keys to the Kingdom" Port
by David Rosoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01.30 PM 7/4/96 -0400, CyberEyes wrote: > The child would also be able to use the Anonymizer at >http://www.anonymizer.com. But, is it that easy to redirect? Just type >that little rd command? What others are there? I've seen &lt and &gt in >use, what do they perform? No, but in things like Yahoo and Alta Vista, when they have those ads, look at the URL assigned to the ad. It redirects you through the service you're using rather than send you straight there. I don't know why. I was just using an example.... Since HTML uses the < and > (less-than and greater-than) characters in the code, you use the < and > to print one of these characters and not use it in the code. =============================================================================== David Rosoff (nihongo o sukoshi dekiru) ----------------> drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu For PGP key 0xD37692F9, finger drosoff(a)acoma.arc.unm.edu 0xD37692F9 Key fingerprint = 25 7D AA 01 85 41 43 89 50 5A 33 76 F1 F1 99 67 Do you know who's reading your email? ---> http://www.arc.unm.edu/~drosoff/pgp/ Anonymous ok, PGP ok. If it's not PGP-signed, you know that I didn't write it. === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === "Truth is stranger than fiction, especially when truth is being defined by the O.J. Simpson Defense Team." -Dave Barry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMdxKCxguzHDTdpL5AQFyaQP/VevSEcgSOqZ0I0XB7mFX5tKivwEpHQ4+ 8zEBfUJTI7SZjZVSbo7dCa/4IRuk7NBrvI0bGHCyRqO7TPqOEZn9Po1eBFfg2I08 RZEVrE3EN1gm/rW32pJ/ocNLTH45mRqKEQoO8gZle509ZvkhiBzJuK8aXFn7hJn+ cgJeSUTfBmw= =U3zk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: CWD -- Jacking in from the "Keys to the Kingdom" Port
by David Rosoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 02.09 PM 7/4/96 -0400, you wrote: >On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Mark Rogaski wrote: > >> I would assume that the filters look for regexp's in the query string, too. >> How about a nice little Nutscape plugin that uses a rot13'd query string? > > Do you have a copy of that plugin? If it exists. > >> http://www.one.site.com/cgi-bin/sneaky-rd?uggc://jjj.cbeab-fvgr.pbz/ >> >> Hmmm, no bad words in the query string. Of course the filter package would >> start looking for rot13'd stuff in the next release. So the next logical >> step is to use the URL encrypted with the redirector's public key ... or >> better yet, a dynamically generated key. Just convert it to radix64 so >> as to avoid ?'s &'s or ='s, and use that as the query string. >> >> The plug-in would only be necessary to generate the first request. Any >> URL preparation could be handled by passing the output of netcat through >> a stream filter before sending it to the client. > > That "creative child" would have to be pretty damn smart to do >what you described. It would actually take less creativity to do the other things, bypass the config.sys, etc. The child would thus be perhaps a little TOO creative. :) =============================================================================== David Rosoff (nihongo o sukoshi dekiru) ----------------> drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu For PGP key 0xD37692F9, finger drosoff(a)acoma.arc.unm.edu 0xD37692F9 Key fingerprint = 25 7D AA 01 85 41 43 89 50 5A 33 76 F1 F1 99 67 Do you know who's reading your email? ---> http://www.arc.unm.edu/~drosoff/pgp/ Anonymous ok, PGP ok. If it's not PGP-signed, you know that I didn't write it. === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === "Truth is stranger than fiction, especially when truth is being defined by the O.J. Simpson Defense Team." -Dave Barry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMdxKohguzHDTdpL5AQEFIwQAuK9Ca8ImcDka9mYWht35h8NMSr2A/tfB zvusZ8P5HIEYTbQ8GyRDQ3R+X58+k2pQmaCnO66EtI83mrVs+J9C8B7LoobroZpO u2R0SnMMJVU6eQAnkABkgYaMLVamqEMG+n6qmk7NePjsawSBvOdtuH9dmccR1/Pi +sGpQvT6RvI= =vTir -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: Net and Terrorism. (blanc@accessone.com)
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Addressed to: blanc <blancw(a)accessone.com> Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> To: blanc <blancw(a)accessone.com> From: attila <attila(a)primenet.com> Reply-To: attila(a)primenet.com Subject: RE: Net and Terrorism. ** Reply to note from blanc <blancw(a)accessone.com> 07/04/96 12:31am -0700 = Could you explain your statement below: = = the first time you witness a small child begging for chocolate = exploded by a remote control pressed by her father, you understand = --you do not necessarily like it, it's just survival. = = Why was the child exploded? To kill the soldier it was requesting = chocolate from? = human life is cheap in many non-Western countries, particularly the orient. Female children are considered expendable (in China where parents are limited to one child; the abortion of a female fetus is common). children in war zones have always begged chocalate from soldiers and even a small child can pack enough plastiques to wipe out an entire patrol. as I said, it is one or the other --the child dies either way, and explosives are very messy. no matter how war movies are glorified for joe six-pack, war is still hell. -- Fuck off, Uncle Sam. Cyberspace is where democracy lives!

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Re: Net and Terrorism.
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Addressed to: tcmay(a)got.net Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> ** Reply to note from tcmay(a)got.net 07/04/96 5:43pm -0700 = I recall that Attila is one of several Mormons on the list, from a = recent thread where I happened to mention Mormons as an example (and = got comments, including a statement that "Mormon" is a slur). = your memory is correct as to my membership: I am an active Elder and member of the Quorum of High Priests. The official name of the church since 1838 (eight years after founding) is "The Church of Christ and the Latter Day Saints" --therefore preference for 'LDS' or 'Saints.' the use of "Mormon" to describe our members is obvious from the "Book of Mormon," so named by the fact the prophet Mormon compiled and/or authored much of the book, although the last prophet and custodian was Moroni (the gold statue on top of LDS Temples is of Moroni). = Anyway, I should point out that Mormons (or Latter Day Saints, I = guess) are spreading quickly around the world...all WITHOUT using = "conversion by the sword," as some other well-known religions are = wont to do. = our mission is simple: we only ask that you read the material (preferably including the Book of Mormon) and privately (possibly including your family) to get on your knees and humbly and openly pray to God to tell you if the LDS church is the restored Church of Christ himself, as established before his crucifixion, unfortunately, we have been met by the sword, including in Utah, which was _occupied_ by Federal troops for almost 50 years and more than one U.S. Army was sent by Washington to subjugate and/or exterminate us. = Islam, notably, was known for this policy of conversion by the sword: = entire national populations were given the choice of converting to = Islam or being put to the sword. Most converted, naturally enough. = = (cf. various histories, incl. Wright's "Sacred Rage.") = = Islam is one of the religions teaching that "martyrs" go directly to = Paradise/Heaven/Valhalla. A terrorist who explodes himself goes = directly to sit at Allah's dinner table. [snip...] = = Personally, I expect to see more such "terrorist" acts in the = coming decades, in the U.S.) = given the insolvency of the U.S. government and the absurd ratios of stock values in the NYSE and NASDAQ --most of it on 10%, or less, margin, a total economic collapse is inevitable --not if! *when?* all the "safeguards" of FDR's Glass Act, the SEC, etc. are just so many words. the monied class and the manipulators are no less than the moneychangers Jesus expelled from the temple in Jerusalem. = Calling a spade a spade, Islam is in some sense a "terrorist = religion," in that physical force is seen by many Muslims as a = legitimate mechanism of conversion. [snip...] = = We should all be thankful that Mormons, as economically powerful and = as well-organized as they are, steer far clear of this kind of = recruiting and service to their beliefs. = technically, we "turn the other cheek" as W.W. Phelps did when the mobs in Jackson, MO tarred one cheek --he turned to make it easier to tar the other. = (It's been 30 years since I've been in Salt Lake City, but I = understand that strip clubs exist there--from reading certain news = groups!--and that alcohol is not illegal there. This government = tolerance of things inimical to the dominant religion would be = unthinkable in, say, Mecca.) = our basic attitude is very simple: we do not believe in the consumption of liquor, tea, coffee, and drugs including nicotine and caffeine. all members are not perfect, and many must restore their faith by repentance; however, we believe all non-members are free to practice _any_ religion of their choice, including in indulging in [legal] harmful substances. I, myself, live in Southern Utah in a rural high desert community of <150 families. I suspect it would be difficult to obtain a drink! The LDS position of war and conscientious objects is dual: if you profess to your Bishop you wish to be a conscientious objector (following the example in Alma), you will be supported; or, if you wish to be called to duty (as the striplings of Helaman who had not covenented to not raise arms). you will be supported, as this example from the Discourses of Brigham Young: "When we were right in the midst of Indians, who were said to be hostile, five hundred men were called to go to Mexico to fight the Mexicans, and, said Mr. Benton -- 'If you do not send them we will cover you up, and there will be no more of you.' "...The boys in that battalion performed their duty faithfully. I never think of that little company of men without the next thoughts being, "God bless them for ever and for ever." All this we did to prove to the Government that we were loyal. "...Thomas H. Benton, ...obtained the requisition to call for that battalion, and, in case of non-compliance with that requisition, to call on the militia of Missouri and Iowa, and other states, ...to destroy [us]. "This same Mr. Benton said to the President of the United States, in the presence of some other persons, 'Sir, they are a pestilential race, and ought to become extinct.'" [Discourses of Brigham Young 10:106] = There are of course other flavors of Islam, including arts-loving, = peace-loving, and scholarly sorts. The propagation of science and = math through the Dark Ages owes much to Arabic scholars, of course. = Hence, we cannot blanketly condemn Islam. = = However, for the sake of the discussion about terrorism, it's = important to recognize that some significant fraction of Muslims = believe these notions of martyrdom and are willing to engage in = horrific acts to accomplish certain ends. = = (The Arab world is very poorly connected to the Net at this time. = It'll be interesting to see what happens if and when they become = well-connected, with PGP, remailers, information markets, etc.) = currently, the Arabs are poorly connected to the Internet due to the fear of their despotic rulers that they will learn Western ways, including democracy --and, spread information and democracy to rise against these leaders. In Saudi Arabia, any usage of the InterNet goes thru the official state provided (a clear case for a satellite link). Of course, it is illegal to own weird satellite equipment. Attila 960704:2359 -- Fuck off, Uncle Sam. Cyberspace is where democracy lives!

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Who was that Masked Cypherpunk?
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

OK, fess up. Who was it who amended the anti-key-escrow language of the Libertarian Party Platform live on CSPAN? Specific reference to cypherpunks. DCF

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Moviepunks
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Not much crypto or any networking in "Independence Day." It does have a code name, however, "ID4." Disabled the mothership with computer viruses (highly unlikely.) Used a Mac Powerbook but no Apple logos showed. Film has mass appeal, however and some good bits. Good for teaching people that if 15-mile-wide spacecraft position themselves above your town--leave. The Net did get me into the film however without waits. Fired up www.777film.com at 1600 hrs, ordered tickets for the 1700 hrs showing, get to the theater, walked past lines into the lobby to use ATM, stuck in card, got tickets, went into theater. Dodged mob scene. Saw a preview of "Ransom" starring Mel Gibson in a remake of the 1956 Glenn Ford film of the same name. First ransom "note" appears to be a multimedia file (delivered by the Net?). DCF "Somehow, I doubt William Jefferson Blythe Clinton would fly an F-15 against a monster alien craft."

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Re: ecash thoughts
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:26 PM 7/4/96 -0400, Mark M. wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, jim bell wrote: > >> At 05:53 PM 7/3/96 -0400, Simon Spero wrote: >> Low, maybe a tenth of an American cent. But probabilistic payment should be >> used to allow the minimum average payment to go way below this, perhaps to >> an unlimited extent. The reason is simple: The cost of providing net >> transactions, and electronic transactions in general, can be expected to >> drop exponentially, just like the cost of telecommunications and CPU power >> do. Any arbitrary limit to how low they can go will act somewhat akin to >> the minimum wage: It will deter development of any product or service whose >> perceived value is less than this arbitrary minimum. > >If the value of a Turing is one tenth of an American cent, then it would >actually just be a pseudocurrency backed by U.S. dollars. I should have said, "about a tenth of a cent." I didn't mean to imply a linkage. >The inflation of >ecash would be the same as the inflation of U.S. money. However, I do agree >that the value of one unit should be low. > >You use Moore's Law to state that the cost of electronic transactions drops >exponentially. However, this is only true if the electronic transactions >use the same amount of bandwidth. As chip processing speed and transmission >bandwidth double, the cost of building the equipment also doubles. At any given time, that's true, but over time the cost of that processing (per unit transaction) will drop, probably in some exponential fashion. For an optical fiber transmission system, the cost of the fiber does NOT go up with the speed, since it's nowhere near its limiting capacity. End-termination systems will be more expensive, but I suspect that's a relatively small fraction of the overall cost. CPU cost will be significant, but then again the Moore's law trend will predominate. CPU's probably have 1000 times the power, per unit cost, than they did in 1980 or so. It would probably be over-optimistic to think that they'll drop the same ratio over the next 15 or so years, but it'll be enough of a reduction so that whatever costs appear to be limits today won't be then. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Altair emulator?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So you always wanted to run an Altair... http://www.nwlink.com/~tigger/altair.html Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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