December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: LIMBAUGH ON TV [Political Rant]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:27 PM 7/25/96 -0400, hallam(a)Etna.ai.mit.edu wrote: >The moral point is not that there is risk of being caught, it >is that society has made laws and unless there are exceptional >circumstances it is a duty to obey those laws. I haven't seen society making laws recently; I've seen societies tolerating governments and governments making laws, generally to benefit one special interest or another, and I include bureaucratic growth and self-preservation as special interests. I don't see how duty attaches to any of that. Duty attaches to keeping committments you've made to other people and living up to your moral values, and in spite of government telling me I've got a duty to it, I don't. Meanwhile, society is a bunch of individuals and the interactions they have with each other. If you want society to work well, there are lots of things you can and should do to help - but duties are to individuals. Letting other people live their lives in peace may count as a duty - and if it does, then governments have the duty not to make laws unless there are exceptional circumstances. The facts that people can lose money gambling or get stoned by taking drugs or make money by helping other people do these things are certainly not exceptional... >I don't argue against breaking laws which are immoral, indeed >I am still refusing to pay a Poll tax bill from the UK despite >the fact that the amount outstanding is inconsequential. Why? Aside from the fact that Maggie and the Parliament were quite obnoxious in enacting and implementing it, what's wrong? If you're think that some people's Fair Share of the cost of supporting society is higher than others', and object because this tax treats everyone equally, the Politically Correct way to protest it would seem to be to pay _more_ tax because you're a well-paid technical person, not to pay _less_ tax because factory workers can't afford to pay as much as you.... >You sound like an 18th century fop challenging someone to a duel. Hey, an armed society is a polite society, and since you're being rude calling him a fop, he obviously ought to blow you away :-) (Just because I believe in the right to own weapons doesn't mean I have to _like_ the things or the arguments gun nuts make .....) >Would you believe that Continental is so lame that they do not >offer either the Sci-Fi channel nor the comedy channel in the >home town of MIT and Harvard? If I had realised that NBC >Olympic coverage would be as bad as it is I might have got a >satelite dish to pick up the feed from Astra. But Phil - Cable TV Regulation is the Law! It's the government helping protect you from dig-eat-dog competition! It's your _duty_ to watch government-enforced-monopoly TV and _like_ it! # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # Dispel Authority!

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Overwelmed with Stupidity...
by Shaun Clark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ok, ok... Let me say something, but I don't want anyone to take this wrong. I'm not trying to be stupid, but I don't have half the knowledge you all seem to posses. For instance what the heck is a TRS-80, DES, or even GAK? I probabl;y know or have heard but, I'm not picking up on the three letter words. So, if you could help meout maybe I just might be able to start contributing activly to this mailer!

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Re: The Four Horsemen Go to the Olympics!
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:15 PM 7/26/96 -0700, Alan Olsen <alano(a)teleport.com> wrote: >Well, there was an explosion at the Olympics... It may have been a bomb or >it may have been a transformer. >Expect this to be used as fuel as to why every one in America must be under >constant survelance by the Government. >The Four Horsemen are now an Olympic Event! Yeah, it's been a wild week. There was also an airplane hijacking today, which ended peacefully. The hijacker had a laptop wrapped in tinfoil he was claiming was a bomb.* And of course Clinton's first speeches after the TWA crash were "we don't have any evidence of terrorism yet but you'll all have to give up your civil liberties so we can do a better job of protecting you." ---- *Penn Jillette proposed that a good boot-up program for laptops and PDAs is one that displays a big timer counting backwards, for use in airports that want to see that you've got a real laptop. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # Dispel Authority!

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Re: The Four Horsemen Go to the Olympics!
by Nathan Syfrig 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:15 PM 7/26/96 -0700, Alan Olsen <alano(a)teleport.com> wrote: >Well, there was an explosion at the Olympics... It may have been a bomb or >it may have been a transformer. >Expect this to be used as fuel as to why every one in America must be under >constant survelance by the Government. >The Four Horsemen are now an Olympic Event! And here's your suspect (from anonymous): I AM NOT GOING TO TOLERATE EXISTENCE OF A MEDIUM FOR CRIMINAL HACKERS AND MUNITIONS SMUGGLERS. I WILL COMPLAIN TO THE FBI IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY CAN TRACK YOU DOWN AND CLOSE THIS LIST. Now all you have to do is match this sentence structure with the 911 tape. Maybe there's a correlation between an electronic fingerprint and fingerprints on the phone booth. This is very worrysome, as it truly is a "world stage" event that could really serve to galvanize various governments into uniting against strong non-escrowed crypto. Hey, it will look good for the international PR, never mind the fact that not everybody will be so 'diligent' in registering their keys and/or use the "approved" crypto. And of course, this country just purchased another IBM computer for "nuclear simulation". Gee, I wonder what else that power might be used for? (but then again, it's from IBM, purveyor of the Olympics computer services) Nathan (standard not-my-emplyers-views disclaimer)

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Off Topic: Send e-mail to post to Usenet
by Jerome Tan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How can I send e-mail to post my message to the Usenet without using the NNTP server of my ISP? I say this because my ISP's news server is not working 100% correctly, if not, it is not 100% dependable.

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Re: ALL OF YOU ARE CRIMINAL HACKERS, I AM GOING TO CALL FBI
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:33 PM 7/26/96 -0700, anonymous-remailer(a)shell.portal.com wrote: >I AM NOT GOING TO TOLERATE EXISTENCE OF A MEDIUM FOR CRIMINAL HACKERS >AND MUNITIONS SMUGGLERS. I WILL COMPLAIN TO THE FBI IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY >CAN TRACK YOU DOWN AND CLOSE THIS LIST. > I find this rather comical. I think I'll add this to my web-site. Maybe then the FBI will close it down. :-) ========================================== Blake Wehlage <jwilk(a)iglou.com> ±» RëVðLû¡ØÑ Bø+ ©ÖmP@ñ¥ «± Goto: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk

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Re: HACKER REPORT
by Cerridwyn Llewyellyn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Just saw part I of a two-part series on "hackers" being broadcast >by a local San Francisco TV station. Nothing horrible, in my >opinion. The adroitly sidestepped the hacker/cracker distinction >by saying the "hacker" has come to mean..." and then gave the >negative, intrusive definition. Did somebody record this, and if so, could I send you a tape so you can copy it for me? Thanks... //cerridwyn//

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EFFector Online 09.09: Mo
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In> "The Singapore government isn't interested in controlling information, In> but wants a gradual phase-in of services to protect ourselves. It's In> not to control, but to protect the citizens of Singapore. In our In> society, you can state your views, but they have to be correct." In> - Ernie Hai, coordinator of the Singapore Government Internet This was in the latest Effector Online... P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... Answers: $1, Short: $5, Correct: $25, dumb looks are still free. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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Re: Distributed DES crack
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In> Has anyone thought of asking RSA, etc, for help? If DES falls (so to In> speak) it yould make thare product more desirable. Hmmm... Damn good idea. P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... Captian's log, stardate 25970-point-5. I am nailed to the hull. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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One of the biggest proble
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In> What our biggest problem is, is that people want the What our biggest problem is is people like you. And that is a hell of a rant for a person with too few balls to use a "normal" E-Mail acct. P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... Can not read right brain: <A>bort <R>etry <F>rolic ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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