December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Announce: Private Idaho 2.7b
by Joel McNamara 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since I'm in an especially patriotic mood today, I've just uploaded the 2.7b beta release of Private Idaho (which started out life as a Windows PGP shell, but is turning into the "mother of all privacy tools" shell). Significant new additions include: Automated install application - no more installing and updating new releases of PI by hand (many thanks to Colin Tan for writing the Setup application). The install application comes bundled with PGP QuickStart, a utility for helping new users download and install PGP. Expert and user modes - for new users, user mode provides a limited set of commonly used commands. Expert mode gives you access to all of the commands. Steps - again, another feature for new users. Step-by-step information on how to perform common tasks. Change nym account reply blocks - easy way to change nym reply blocks. Anonymizer support - support for C2's new anonymous Web browsing server. Select a URL from any text within Private Idaho and your browser will anonymously access that Web page. Mixmaster support - support for Mixmaster type 2 remailers. Variable word-wrap length - select window size, 65, 70, or 75 character line length. Revised online help HTML version of help Get it at: http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/pi.html And while you're there, as an added 4th of July bonus, check out: http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/cryptbk.html For the extremely tacky, and offensive to some, "Building a CryptoBook" page. Comments, questions, etc. as usual to: Joel McNamara joelm(a)eskimo.com

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premail-0.44, WHERE DO I GET IT.
by Anonymous User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cpunks: I tried to find the perl script premail (v. 0.44) that is described at the Raph Levien's page. Unfortunately, EVERY place where it is purported to be is screwed up: ftp.csua.berkeley.edu does not respond to FTP commands, Levien's download page returns premail 0.43 instead of 0.44, and ftp.hacktic.nl does not have premail-0.44. WHAT TO DO??? WHAT TO DO??? WHAT TO DO???

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Re: Lack of PGP signatures
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:07 PM 7/3/96 -0700, Bill Frantz wrote: >At 12:15 PM 7/3/96 -0700, Bill Frantz wrote: >>On my Mac I just entered this answer, cut it to the clipboard, launched >>PGP, clearsigned it, and pasted the result back into the Eudora window for >>the new mail. > >But of course the signature doesn't check. (I suspect Eudora line wrapping.) Yep. Been there, done that. Line wrap problems are the bain of PGP sigs. This is the reason that most PGP shells will force a line wrap before generating the signature. The only way around it is to turn off all line wrapping or have a utility do it for you before signing it. I am wondering why there is not a signing option that ignores all non-printing characters. Might fix some of these problems... (Can anyone think of a reason this would be a "Bad Thing(tm)"?) --- |"Computers are Voodoo -- You just have to know where to stick the pins."| |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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No Subject
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

:: Encrypted: PGP -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.2 hIkDPRWysueuweUBA+irExxkMlmCIvGqzCvDUNWtFWbAjJx4JODBCbauj6uYeC62 pF0r72wgDKrncK5Z/oZdF11vaVveW50KrZQQFVL2+etoRTHfLBNgKKYW4cDwTe/f 4jS3+tut2XfRf/y/Ho139zKfNIBdHC0ByHEsIcKU2FPwNzalERc3q+yehKYAAAHF mFeehQHt3/AdVJOueBP+EzxG31y72enxE0lilm9VGzQzLf7sH2354xezhtxsrNgH BEkF9o0EhYy6/3JHDhqcat0fwDBZsBPDH8Lg1m60xBMD8iTLtOT5jUNAQRUwahlf s1acdgoSnx6PgTnHpox4r6SNxeIaC9AH1WTAngfrLvm877/gk5kxjIJV7D7Z7sF8 IQn9BXNPj1/6c9MyqAPQE7w3PpEFkN6/KPZsAhtyEc/ib4IxwMoRoVCRpOY13iVm q1UGaOPsTaom13rCn35fFp71o+Myc+Due3OoTpCC01B95JucbhUMV2pyBdgcafbN vnj/0FUAgWVDkAMWYuZj82qqoi8NWcNhXsBxsnXRBAxemgckmZdo+sx6sUlSLy9u 5JbN+7DNcwbfY5qbUJIVnPNu4BDuN+s9dCVSYalCVL/rGhFwkCvPSHJuFIZF7daE H+uITFUp5D8kmlLj3zHdTaoXkctRA7xc2+JVlgEGAsLuBQ8SSOQQovmJIarmBdhJ g2RiRaGv4CsaSbQiMfy5vAmDjbuJdrL+sYfDI4n4ODVSaBHkGjoOriU8T1kpwJCT qFRDBgQGhMwGplT1FKULqn7D7SFh =v5LU -----END PGP MESSAGE----- I didn't know L.Detweiler's first name was Larry. How did you, tcmay?

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Re: CWD -- Jacking in from the "Keys to the Kingdom" Port
by David Rosoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01.30 PM 7/4/96 -0400, CyberEyes wrote: > The child would also be able to use the Anonymizer at >http://www.anonymizer.com. But, is it that easy to redirect? Just type >that little rd command? What others are there? I've seen &lt and &gt in >use, what do they perform? No, but in things like Yahoo and Alta Vista, when they have those ads, look at the URL assigned to the ad. It redirects you through the service you're using rather than send you straight there. I don't know why. I was just using an example.... Since HTML uses the < and > (less-than and greater-than) characters in the code, you use the < and > to print one of these characters and not use it in the code. =============================================================================== David Rosoff (nihongo o sukoshi dekiru) ----------------> drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu For PGP key 0xD37692F9, finger drosoff(a)acoma.arc.unm.edu 0xD37692F9 Key fingerprint = 25 7D AA 01 85 41 43 89 50 5A 33 76 F1 F1 99 67 Do you know who's reading your email? ---> http://www.arc.unm.edu/~drosoff/pgp/ Anonymous ok, PGP ok. If it's not PGP-signed, you know that I didn't write it. === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === "Truth is stranger than fiction, especially when truth is being defined by the O.J. Simpson Defense Team." -Dave Barry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMdxKCxguzHDTdpL5AQFyaQP/VevSEcgSOqZ0I0XB7mFX5tKivwEpHQ4+ 8zEBfUJTI7SZjZVSbo7dCa/4IRuk7NBrvI0bGHCyRqO7TPqOEZn9Po1eBFfg2I08 RZEVrE3EN1gm/rW32pJ/ocNLTH45mRqKEQoO8gZle509ZvkhiBzJuK8aXFn7hJn+ cgJeSUTfBmw= =U3zk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Net and Terrorism.
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:58 AM 7/4/96, attila wrote: > U.S. cash has eliminated a lot of Soviet weapons, including, I >believe > some chemical. however, keep in mind: the obsolete, and expensive to > maintain, hardware predominated. However, you will never be able to >buy out > the religious terrorists --they are on a "mission." > > The Western world faces far more threat from fundamentalist religious > terrorists than it does from the Soviet Union, etc. > > There is no cure for the "revolutionary" terrorists --just death >for their > own brand of glory. If we do not even print their obit, there is no glory! I recall that Attila is one of several Mormons on the list, from a recent thread where I happened to mention Mormons as an example (and got comments, including a statement that "Mormon" is a slur). Anyway, I should point out that Mormons (or Latter Day Saints, I guess) are spreading quickly around the world...all WITHOUT using "conversion by the sword," as some other well-known religions are wont to do. Islam, notably, was known for this policy of conversion by the sword: entire national populations were given the choice of converting to Islam or being put to the sword. Most converted, naturally enough. (cf. various histories, incl. Wright's "Sacred Rage.") Islam is one of the religions teaching that "martyrs" go directly to Paradise/Heaven/Valhalla. A terrorist who explodes himself goes directly to sit at Allah's dinner table. His relatives, too, as I understand their beliefs, though the surviving relatives have to wait until they die to get this benefit. Further, if a large Middle Eastern city, e.g., Tel Aviv or Haifa, were to be nuked by Believers, then all of the vaporized Muslims in the city would automatically be martyred, and would also go to Paradise. This makes it more "acceptable" to Believers to hit targets which may contain their own kind. (The famous "Kill them all and let God sort them out" line really does apply to many Muslims.) (Two other religions come to mind as having similar beliefs about death in battle and afterlives: the Viking "berserkers" circa 800-1100 A.D. and the Japanese/Shinto suicide pilots in WW2. I'm sure there are other examples.) Most other religions which have strong beliefs about an afterlife, including Mormons, Catholics, and other flavors of Christianity, nevertheless have not adopted this "martyr" concept. This may explain why few suicide bombings and suchlike come from these groups. (There are exceptions. Many Christian sects believe that abortion is immoral and a grave sin, and that those who bomb or shoot up abortion clinics, a la John Salvi, are doing God's work and are ensured a place in Heaven. Personally, I expect to see more such "terrorist" acts in the coming decades, in the U.S.) Calling a spade a spade, Islam is in some sense a "terrorist religion," in that physical force is seen by many Muslims as a legitimate mechanism of conversion. The wrinkle that those who die in the service of Allah go directly to sit at his side is of course a major incentivizing factor for more truck bombs, nerve gas attacks, and even nukings. We should all be thankful that Mormons, as economically powerful and as well-organized as they are, steer far clear of this kind of recruiting and service to their beliefs. (It's been 30 years since I've been in Salt Lake City, but I understand that strip clubs exist there--from reading certain news groups!--and that alcohol is not illegal there. This government tolerance of things inimical to the dominant religion would be unthinkable in, say, Mecca.) There are of course other flavors of Islam, including arts-loving, peace-loving, and scholarly sorts. The propagation of science and math through the Dark Ages owes much to Arabic scholars, of course. Hence, we cannot blanketly condemn Islam. However, for the sake of the discussion about terrorism, it's important to recognize that some significant fraction of Muslims believe these notions of martrydom and are willing to engage in horrific acts to accomplish certain ends. (The Arab world is very poorly connected to the Net at this time. It'll be interesting to see what happens if and when they become well-connected, with PGP, remailers, information markets, etc.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: ecash thoughts
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:53 PM 7/3/96 -0400, Simon Spero wrote: >2) If ecash is used to create a new currency- i.e. the value of a unit of >the ecash is not tied to any single existing currency, what should the >value of one currency unit be set at? (let's call it a Turing) Low, maybe a tenth of an American cent. But probabilistic payment should be used to allow the minimum average payment to go way below this, perhaps to an unlimited extent. The reason is simple: The cost of providing net transactions, and electronic transactions in general, can be expected to drop exponentially, just like the cost of telecommunications and CPU power do. Any arbitrary limit to how low they can go will act somewhat akin to the minimum wage: It will deter development of any product or service whose perceived value is less than this arbitrary minimum. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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RE: Net and Terrorism. (blanc@accessone.com)
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Addressed to: blanc <blancw(a)accessone.com> Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> To: blanc <blancw(a)accessone.com> From: attila <attila(a)primenet.com> Reply-To: attila(a)primenet.com Subject: RE: Net and Terrorism. ** Reply to note from blanc <blancw(a)accessone.com> 07/04/96 12:31am -0700 = Could you explain your statement below: = = the first time you witness a small child begging for chocolate = exploded by a remote control pressed by her father, you understand = --you do not necessarily like it, it's just survival. = = Why was the child exploded? To kill the soldier it was requesting = chocolate from? = human life is cheap in many non-Western countries, particularly the orient. Female children are considered expendable (in China where parents are limited to one child; the abortion of a female fetus is common). children in war zones have always begged chocalate from soldiers and even a small child can pack enough plastiques to wipe out an entire patrol. as I said, it is one or the other --the child dies either way, and explosives are very messy. no matter how war movies are glorified for joe six-pack, war is still hell. -- Fuck off, Uncle Sam. Cyberspace is where democracy lives!

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Re: What remains to be done.
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Addressed to: Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> ** Reply to note from Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> 07/03/96 10:17pm -0400 good "white paper." modularity is the key. use of standardized encryption libraries permitting user selection of one or more formats. message pools would be great from satellite channels --how do you regulate (read this as "pay for") since someone must receive the messages to uplink? -otherwise you have the dropouts of USENET. user interface is the achilles heel for most programmers --the time is spent making the code 'work.' with the tools available which allow multi- platform development, the *functional* GUI should be done by someone who creates "artitstic" interfaces. I agree-- if encryption can be made so simple, and with a clean user interface, it will be used by joe sixpack (who rarely likes uncle, anyway --but for different reasons). once joe sixpack starts to use (probably dropping his private keys...), then it is too pervasive to stop --even if there are a few high level prosecutions. one of our greatest failings v/v encryption as a group (including coderpunks) is we are satisfied with our access to encrytion. PGP is a nusiance, and the instructions are not clear --so we experiment until we get the results: on the command line. our satisfaction makes us insular; we need to think in global terms --mass marketing of a free product which will hold appeal for everyone. encryption is no different than the students in China --no, they do have it, but how long can Father Deng (and his successors) hang on against technology and quest for knowledge? -- Fuck off, Uncle Sam. Cyberspace is where democracy lives!

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Re: Net and Terrorism.
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Addressed to: tcmay(a)got.net Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> ** Reply to note from tcmay(a)got.net 07/04/96 5:43pm -0700 = I recall that Attila is one of several Mormons on the list, from a = recent thread where I happened to mention Mormons as an example (and = got comments, including a statement that "Mormon" is a slur). = your memory is correct as to my membership: I am an active Elder and member of the Quorum of High Priests. The official name of the church since 1838 (eight years after founding) is "The Church of Christ and the Latter Day Saints" --therefore preference for 'LDS' or 'Saints.' the use of "Mormon" to describe our members is obvious from the "Book of Mormon," so named by the fact the prophet Mormon compiled and/or authored much of the book, although the last prophet and custodian was Moroni (the gold statue on top of LDS Temples is of Moroni). = Anyway, I should point out that Mormons (or Latter Day Saints, I = guess) are spreading quickly around the world...all WITHOUT using = "conversion by the sword," as some other well-known religions are = wont to do. = our mission is simple: we only ask that you read the material (preferably including the Book of Mormon) and privately (possibly including your family) to get on your knees and humbly and openly pray to God to tell you if the LDS church is the restored Church of Christ himself, as established before his crucifixion, unfortunately, we have been met by the sword, including in Utah, which was _occupied_ by Federal troops for almost 50 years and more than one U.S. Army was sent by Washington to subjugate and/or exterminate us. = Islam, notably, was known for this policy of conversion by the sword: = entire national populations were given the choice of converting to = Islam or being put to the sword. Most converted, naturally enough. = = (cf. various histories, incl. Wright's "Sacred Rage.") = = Islam is one of the religions teaching that "martyrs" go directly to = Paradise/Heaven/Valhalla. A terrorist who explodes himself goes = directly to sit at Allah's dinner table. [snip...] = = Personally, I expect to see more such "terrorist" acts in the = coming decades, in the U.S.) = given the insolvency of the U.S. government and the absurd ratios of stock values in the NYSE and NASDAQ --most of it on 10%, or less, margin, a total economic collapse is inevitable --not if! *when?* all the "safeguards" of FDR's Glass Act, the SEC, etc. are just so many words. the monied class and the manipulators are no less than the moneychangers Jesus expelled from the temple in Jerusalem. = Calling a spade a spade, Islam is in some sense a "terrorist = religion," in that physical force is seen by many Muslims as a = legitimate mechanism of conversion. [snip...] = = We should all be thankful that Mormons, as economically powerful and = as well-organized as they are, steer far clear of this kind of = recruiting and service to their beliefs. = technically, we "turn the other cheek" as W.W. Phelps did when the mobs in Jackson, MO tarred one cheek --he turned to make it easier to tar the other. = (It's been 30 years since I've been in Salt Lake City, but I = understand that strip clubs exist there--from reading certain news = groups!--and that alcohol is not illegal there. This government = tolerance of things inimical to the dominant religion would be = unthinkable in, say, Mecca.) = our basic attitude is very simple: we do not believe in the consumption of liquor, tea, coffee, and drugs including nicotine and caffeine. all members are not perfect, and many must restore their faith by repentance; however, we believe all non-members are free to practice _any_ religion of their choice, including in indulging in [legal] harmful substances. I, myself, live in Southern Utah in a rural high desert community of <150 families. I suspect it would be difficult to obtain a drink! The LDS position of war and conscientious objects is dual: if you profess to your Bishop you wish to be a conscientious objector (following the example in Alma), you will be supported; or, if you wish to be called to duty (as the striplings of Helaman who had not covenented to not raise arms). you will be supported, as this example from the Discourses of Brigham Young: "When we were right in the midst of Indians, who were said to be hostile, five hundred men were called to go to Mexico to fight the Mexicans, and, said Mr. Benton -- 'If you do not send them we will cover you up, and there will be no more of you.' "...The boys in that battalion performed their duty faithfully. I never think of that little company of men without the next thoughts being, "God bless them for ever and for ever." All this we did to prove to the Government that we were loyal. "...Thomas H. Benton, ...obtained the requisition to call for that battalion, and, in case of non-compliance with that requisition, to call on the militia of Missouri and Iowa, and other states, ...to destroy [us]. "This same Mr. Benton said to the President of the United States, in the presence of some other persons, 'Sir, they are a pestilential race, and ought to become extinct.'" [Discourses of Brigham Young 10:106] = There are of course other flavors of Islam, including arts-loving, = peace-loving, and scholarly sorts. The propagation of science and = math through the Dark Ages owes much to Arabic scholars, of course. = Hence, we cannot blanketly condemn Islam. = = However, for the sake of the discussion about terrorism, it's = important to recognize that some significant fraction of Muslims = believe these notions of martyrdom and are willing to engage in = horrific acts to accomplish certain ends. = = (The Arab world is very poorly connected to the Net at this time. = It'll be interesting to see what happens if and when they become = well-connected, with PGP, remailers, information markets, etc.) = currently, the Arabs are poorly connected to the Internet due to the fear of their despotic rulers that they will learn Western ways, including democracy --and, spread information and democracy to rise against these leaders. In Saudi Arabia, any usage of the InterNet goes thru the official state provided (a clear case for a satellite link). Of course, it is illegal to own weird satellite equipment. Attila 960704:2359 -- Fuck off, Uncle Sam. Cyberspace is where democracy lives!

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