December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by daemon＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: National Journal article sez net-activism is just political hicks
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:06 AM 5/24/96, jim bell wrote: >At 03:31 PM 5/23/96 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>>Tommorrow, Washington's politically-powerful National Journal reportedly >>>will publish a know-nothing piece of "journalism" saying that net-aided >>>politics is essentially nothing but a batch of ineffective, know-nothing >>>nerds and back-water political hacks. > >At least we now know that the National Journal hasn't heard of >Cyber-Anarchy--- or they didn't understand one word of it. What is this "cyber-anarchy" (or "Cyber-Anarchy") you keep talking about? --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Innocence & harmless weapons (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 21:35:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl.com> > Subject: Re: Innocence & harmless weapons > > > Whose side of the truth? > > That was a capital "T", bub. Truth doesn't have sides. (Think > of it as an archetype.) Sorry but the very fact that I don't agree with you is proof enough that there is no absolute 'Truth' as you use it. That is unless you are attempting to claim absolute omnipotence on the point of determination. > > To be honest I was surprised by your simplistic responce. > > That was a question mark, bub. It wasn't an answer, it was > a question. Hey, the devil is in the details, gang. Too bad > modern schools teach "self-esteem" instead of reading, writing > and rhetoric. (Spelling wouldn't hurt either.) Nice tactical ploy, an ad hominem buried in a straw man argument. Jim Choate

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Truth can sometimes be harmful...
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:06 PM 5/23/96, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >At 12:11 PM 5/23/96 -0800, jim bell wrote: > >>Tell ya what: name a weapon that CANNOT be used to harm an >>innocent person. Go ahead, I'm waiting. > >The Truth? > "The coordinates of Hiroshima are...." Q.E.D. (And there are thousands of variants of this, where "truth" leads to harm. Sandy was being terse in his comments, so he may have intended various qualifications, but as he stated things, my example stands.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Cyber-Anarchy
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:41 AM 5/24/96, jim bell wrote: >At 09:05 PM 5/23/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >>At 3:06 AM 5/24/96, jim bell wrote: >>>At least we now know that the National Journal hasn't heard of >>>Cyber-Anarchy--- or they didn't understand one word of it. >> >> >>What is this "cyber-anarchy" (or "Cyber-Anarchy") you keep talking about? > >(Yeah, yeah. Okay, I forgot the trademark. But I still can't find the >"circle-C" on my keyboard!) My point is actually not so much one of claiming credit for something I've been involved with since 1988, as being somewhat critical of the all-too-common tendency I see of _renaming_ something without adding any new content. Jim Bell calls his set of ideas "cyber-anarchy," and certain journalists have picked up on this (as with the Australian article). But with the exception of the one variant of anonymous markets, namely, "assassination politics," most or all of the other ideas of his "cyber-anarchy" seem to be encompassed by the already-existing term. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: National Journal article sez net-activism is just political hicks
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:05 PM 5/23/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 3:06 AM 5/24/96, jim bell wrote: >>At 03:31 PM 5/23/96 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >>>>Tommorrow, Washington's politically-powerful National Journal reportedly >>>>will publish a know-nothing piece of "journalism" saying that net-aided >>>>politics is essentially nothing but a batch of ineffective, know-nothing >>>>nerds and back-water political hacks. >> >>At least we now know that the National Journal hasn't heard of >>Cyber-Anarchy--- or they didn't understand one word of it. > > >What is this "cyber-anarchy" (or "Cyber-Anarchy") you keep talking about? (Yeah, yeah. Okay, I forgot the trademark. But I still can't find the "circle-C" on my keyboard!) That's exactly the reaction of the typical mainstream media news person today. But that will change, I think, and probably well within a couple of years. I keep waiting for Time magazine to declare the Internet to be "The Man of the Year", like they did the (personal?) computer in one year in the middle 1980's. It has certainly been covered far more this year than any year in the past. Now that the traditional media has discovered the Internet, they'd damn well start covering its political implications. Last year, for instance, the media was apparently unwilling to admit that the main reason the Congressional hearings on Waco occurred was because the subject was kept alive on the computer networks. By next year, I don't think they'll be able to keep silent on similar situations: Too many people will consider the Internet to be at least their secondary news source, if not their primary one. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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RE: Truth can sometimes be harmful...(talk.cpunks.truth)
by blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There are small truths and "big" truths - or the smaller parts of a whole, or the smaller ingredients of a complete context. In the larger context of complete truth, although the small truth of the location where Anne Frank was hiding was harmful to her safety, it was harmful only because those who had created the war surrounding her were not prepared (did not want) to see the larger truths of reality. In the context of such an attitude inimical to complete truth, any truth can become a threat to safety. Analogous to the use of any weapon or tool of destruction it is not accurate to hold the truth at fault, but rather the one who interprets it and decides on what action to take based upon it. This reminds me of those arguments on the list where that old objection against encrypting personal messages was brought up: "what have you got to hide?", implying: do you fear the truth, do you mean to live outside the context of honesty and truth? And the cypherpunks would counter, no - we just want to be particular about who receives it. .. Blanc

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New type2.list/pubring.mix
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Everyone, There is a new type2.list/pubring.mix combination on jpunix.com that reflects the retirement of the nsa (omaha) remailer. It's available by Web and by anon FTP. John Perry - KG5RG - perry(a)alpha.jpunix.com - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! WWW - http://www.jpunix.com PGP 2.62 key for perry(a)jpunix.com is on the keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMaWTF1OTpEThrthvAQHg5AP9Hi66SmUpFYUQrDHjRXQnWKQpc7yXTsaJ rpaaHjd4TIr0mCbVm0ZXfDMq9r/igrqDX6SzCGUDvBxxsumcBCKCNJ59EpSOCcPM e2I3v3MSwapaLe/8/5Ztk81IvUVhnyzkctEW11w+S7hk6ZCU2nz5yFL4AkASgPrk SP0WxYyA1mA= =jM6N -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: TILT! Counterfeit pachinko cards send $588 million down the chute.
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Follow-up to Peter Wayner's post yesterday: The New York Times, May 24, 1996, p. D8. American Banknote Gets Into Pachinko The American Banknote Corporation said yesterday that it was developing optical-reading technology for a group of Japanese companies to help prevent counterfeit prepaid cards in the pachinko business. Pachinko, which is similar to pinball, is played in some 18,000 parlors in Japan and has grown in popularity in the last few years. Morris Weissman, American Banknote's chairman, said American Banknote's holographics unit was making cash-value cards and machines to read them. The cards and machines will be tested in Japan in July, and "if certain criteria are met," more will be installed in August, he said. He said cards would authorize a person to play a game of pachinko and win money. The cards, he said had "specific algorithms and codes we believe are almost impossible to duplicate." -----

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Mission Impossible
by SINCLAIR DOUGLAS N 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw Mission Impossible last night. It deals with some cypherpunks issues, as the plot centers on anonymous BlackNet style operations on the Internet. Unfortunately, it does it badly. Particularly silly is the reference that a STU-III is a security penetration device. The main hacker is called Luthor, though he doesn't look a thing like Lex. The Usenet is dealt with in a laughable manner -- a grep of the entire 'net for "Job" doesn't turn up a single hit. Having said all of that, lots of things explode. It's good in THX.

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