December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

"Building the 21st Century Enterprise"
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just got a piece of junk snail with these words on it. It's an ad for "Financial Technology World Conference 1996". Highlight: Luncheon Speaker, September 17, 12:30-1:30 pm Dr. Nathaniel Borenstein Chief Scientist First Virtual Holdings, Inc As Chief Scientist of First Vortual Holdings, Nathaniel Borenstein created the first operational Internet payment system. It includes his picture. What can I say... I wouldn't buy a falafel in the street from this guy. :-) The conference is run my Miller Freeman, (212) 615-2765. I considered coming to heckle him, until I saw that this isn't even free: CONFERENCE FEES Fee is $795 per person... I suppose the audience will be limited to the people willing to pay lots of money to listen to Dr. Nathaniel. Very amused, --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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private message to anonymous recipient
by bryce＠digicash.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- C'Punks, I sincerely apologize for this breach of netiquette, but I can't figure out any other way to be sure of contacting my interlocutors. Please be patient with us, we'll have a better anon channel soon. Bryce - -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-encrypted under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 hIwDulymyOnirHUBBACLxoU/DOrHiwd/4eedAqcMpeVBHJskv4mcFnG97Nxll6OV xRqNmVY7UT7HV6+8TgNsVPHtIz2gd76pT6gdscbZxFOnXNTOMR1c8kH/W0PZh8LY kE0WxxWyqghnw4j98jMCs1al+aMSKE9CzGVPM5v3iZjTO6taOguvOFaBzDSvwYRs A0jbHy8sKZitAQL+JDc20xS/fZPsIENngCyKcE7f8QsR85PhuQrBQeZuNsuOPU2v 5CbewkQR/+z3uzyJAfCcOUoXrPDecaMmyFYxrzjjYcjNhoxRDKEJa+X+SscvlcEp T06KDNUZrrXDUUevhIwDkJRPiBSKEeUBBACfB3dE6Izxr3V6qfnxgE3P09Tb1hNI 30ZcahXWwWMPnkIPXOESyNbSYquV+2Inw0sSumCk7A+uwSDQEdv7T+7NxnBBO6Cx EvUkOKIFa5ApyU38b/NjVeYK9XjOY5Zxz3smUwaRtCJwKSF/RfP/oRF465ZfiIaU 0bzo8Dx5o9H1bKYAAAHAl8upwh5wHWT+3xV89Vl0e+dsONfexbR28ON8o53gbLu1 UpgMhg3+ezSkPlaW5nXoDhME1Miwdi9/J9Rq3/CzF+jY4gus9pEobJ8MRZBLe2Lh O1cBCDzyzSJcQdt1kbItfMfKkm2PMKHYt+SyzR1l9hHq42UBqw6qGfbj0SiQ8hWf hwoAeL0xo2bfgwTYEX35QVc5FD5fEEAcsFOqgB/VzuxOfR9ydH1saOux8aXoF3N9 v/Y3pGMNxlAb+7NThv+Dt/GFK+3CnT9HbNE1h//SZL16THYByB1CzWqfUhrhW0XU BfPHkReKTnei5Tc9Hblu0JrGOctIKIjZiyRIJAZzPg2zq/lVwOdB5glZRtJ0LAID yvwODNXG71wLl2x8+jVFxCJTK5bAsQvluQXNwq8lPaDiJrBjsCWTYEbHXLnue4jO xvQQf+yGDLISXB1yVKUf0peuYSn6pmFw5pcftXbSE5hb5W1bkh7bUZs0nDt2AELa n/Ao8rnVWqiopUheIqIxEmxJZc4X99mTMQMUD4yr7ieR7+YtIkawOU4pGTyGZawM 3D5TFQdLphOUF512qGIxGbbg8NsZaPeIF133kHGOmw== =nVvT - -----END PGP MESSAGE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-signed under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 iQB1AwUBMc51q0jbHy8sKZitAQELJwMAubh35EvdnyJnRMb7aPS7SRiLuR5nZaFz HNDM7YzwRJn+O9DFrrYiXSKGuGvQ4QPs3PRJ+UqbrbgNe6brXyMrMuHwRqELR+yI uI4a2b4XBLGMVxutlznqYs221w7P3DSi =/xkk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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http:--www.spyzone.com-
by reagle＠rpcp.mit.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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AT&T bans anonymous messages
by WorldNet User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

AT&T WorldNet service has banned the sending of anonymous email or posting anonymously. >From the "AT&T WorldNet Service Operating Policies": (i) Members may not post or transmit any message anonymously or under a false name. Members may not permit any other person (other than an agent acting on Member's behalf and subject to Member's supervision) to access the Service Member's account for any purpose. The no anon rule even beat the no indecency rule, which is second: (ii) Members may not post or transmit any message which is libelous, defamatory or which discloses private or personal matters concerning any person. Members may not post or transmit any message, data, image or program which is indecent, obscene or pornographic. http://www.worldnet.att.net/care/terms/#oppol

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(Kein 'Betreff')
by HHendler＠t-online.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsuscribe

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Re: Micropayments: myth?
by Paul Rarey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Jun 23, 0:16, Bill Stewart wrote: > Subject: Re: Micropayments: myth? >>>don't people get this? with microcurrency, you don't say to a >>>seller, "bill me for this item". it would rarely work like that at >>>all. instead, it is, "here is my money, please give me the item". >> >>What is the authentication process for the "money" your are "giving" in this >>scenario? > >Varies with the micropayment system. Some proposals are to use Digicash, >either online or offline. Others are to use simpler systems, such as S/Key >variants or piles of tokens - you'd use some heavyweight payment system like >a credit card / ATM / digicash to buy 100 or 1000 microtokens, which you'd >use for the actual payments, and which would require less computation to >authenticate. These processes have a non-repudiation service? Cheers! [ psr ]

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Re: Bad Signatures
by geoff＠commtouch.co.il 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Jun 24 12:48:55 1996 Thanks to all list members who responded on this issue. The consensus is that bouncing bad signatures to the list is not a good idea. In the interest of reducing the number of bad signatures caused by munging which appear on the list, I will continue to bounce messages with bad signatures to the originator only. Thanks, Geoff Klein. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMc5WeELv5OMYFK1FAQEiAAP/fr0+Z1dmGfuRgiGqir9396+DSJ+eBquS 0JM9FxtMvZwyCsafsJSwZSHBPWtLanaAzFMgO5SigWSki6hP3sP/ywrH0qni480U 7d0CG9gz2g2N6pYAjE8nhFT26NUVFBvm/csPod+3W71/vvg/KP3vRas2fWRqRzQY wEV2g4aaTII= =rh71 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Arms Export Report
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Wash Post today reports on a new study of U.S. arms export policy, presented to the White House on Friday, and to be formally released next week. It primarily addresses killing-type arms and proposes greater U.S. restraint of export of advanced armaments rather than promotion to buttress the defense industry. One of its recommendations is to form all regulations governing arms exports and intelligence-gathering into "single, coherent framework." If anyone has seen this report, does it address crypto export? A copy by E-mail or fax (to 212-799-4003) would be appreciated. ---------- The Wash Post has a free (for now) Web site at: http://www.washingtonpost.com

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Re: info assembly line, "flits" (long)
by williams＠va.arca.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vladimir Z. Nuri,vznuri(a)netcom.com writes: > what the flit concept does is introduce a *context* to a bit. > a bit has no "context". where did a bit come from? the situation > with information is that it always has a *context* and is tied > with other information. (so in addition, I might like to suggest > that "flits" can be "tied together" with each other). To me, bits don't need context any more than atoms do. Their whole beauty (like atoms) is their simplicity. You can build incredibly complex structures (like jaguars) from the simplest of particles (or bits). Negroponte's analogy begs the question of the physics of cyberspace. They are clearly different from the physics of the real world. Imagine if you lived in a world where objects could be duplicated extremely quickly, cheaply, and perfectly. You could send things around at the speed of light. Nothing ever happens except by the action of a program. What would be valuable to you in this world (crypto-relevance)? Why would you care about "where" anything is? Why would you bother to "move" something? Putting aside the implementation problems with "flits", I don't think there is any need to make cyberspace behave like the real world. The best things about cyberspace are the differences with the real world. I agree we need to work on the interfaces between worlds, but that doesn't equate to making them the same. A major problem with your note is that it confuses the bit-atom level view of the world with the document-jaguar level. People don't have to interact with bits any more than they have to deal with atoms. The properties you are seeking are at a higher level than bits and are already in early development (OpenDoc and others). The "information assembly line" is at this higher level and does not require "flits". Thanks for a provocative note. --Jeff

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domain name zapping threat by Internic
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

surprising not to see any discussion on this here.. this is a very intersting development. all kinds of news reports are talking about the internic zapping 25,000 DNS addresses. I wonder how this will turn out. I saw in an article a claim, I think, that the internic now charges $100 "rent" per year for a domain. this is really amazing to me, because this has totally changed from a one-time only fee, if correct. is that correct? I wonder if people are going to try to find a way to "route around" this action by the internic... one wonders if this is just the first in a series of actions by the new spook owners. (SAIC) essentially, if someone wanted to implement a tax or a way to control the internet, the NIC would be an excellent place to start. I wonder if the NIC has legal authority to yank DNS address like they are doing. it seems one could take them to court and have a pretty good argument that people who run DNS servers are free to run them however they want, and that ultimately this is what determines how routing on the internet is supported, not some overseeing agency like the NIC. it seems to me that now would be a brilliant time for someone to introduce a "non NIC registration service" that sets up an alternate DNS that guarantees that members will never be charged money. of course that's what the DNS "sort of" started out as... sigh. Subject: Internic removing Domain names The news media is anouncing that the Internic will delete 25,000 domain names that have not paid their registration fees Monday. How will this work? If someone is using one of these Domains and has DNS entries to find them what can the Internic do to disable the Domain? Won't the existing DNS services keep them working? Glenn York

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