December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Req. for soundbites
by lunaslide＠loop.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >A local TV station has asked me for an interview, after I sent a graphic >of a mono-digital hand gesture with the phrase "censor this!" to the Prez, >Veep, and the area congresscritters (cc'd to 2 TV stations and a radio >station), accompanied by a 'confession' and demand for swift prosecution. > >Anyone got any nifty sound bites I can try to toss in? I think a few of this sig quotes I've seen float through here would be apprapo. It has the be short and concise, and be easily understood by both side of the issue. Insulting or alienating the do-gooders with a quote that could follow us around for awhile would not be in our best interest. Some good ones I've collected are: "Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773) "It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error." Robert H. Jackson (1892-1954), U.S. Judge "To sin by silence instead of protest makes cowards out of men." -- Abraham Lincoln "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume Let's hear some more. lunaslide On the meridian of time there is no injustice, only the poetry of motion creating the illusion of truth and drama. Henry Miller ________________________________________________________________ Digitally sign your mail too! -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCPAzEX3QEAAAEEAOGQjhnqGH29pO1WDaXs5GFOVPhCBWyYEk9XEwRmscjveWzH AhA6DeOA480zWNqQURyqE2yPmR8WzT+OXYqmeiQiycKyFA41Vs/Ruf+gXXxe7uXS L5BK3K8oKbfoH0D5/TAkMT4r6BprXFQz4pFc3gY2SSaSPElpMjKHaKBsRsyRABEB AAG0HUplZmYgQ29ubiA8bHVuYXNsaWRlQGxvb3AuY29tiQCVAwUQMRffHzKHaKBs RsyRAQGNhwP9E9xEZ9/LCKnhgtnrqgD7pDoXG2pCy8FoyfFjoImGkG+jF1wELXmB Z0mf8F8CgYkys0mif1XeGDMelr1gzlZAm6LgQt4kcvztMW/aRLn18QP+iwltVT/L p8D37mitOjvuk46sWgAChIaPPPIeg/EaYQjQkmlpWKsEYIoTRy+E8mU= =4Gku -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Req. for soundbites
by Joe Zychik 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:08 PM 2/9/96 +0600, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >A local TV station has asked me for an interview, after I sent a graphic of a mono-digital hand gesture with the phrase "censor this!" to the Prez, Veep, and the area congresscritters (cc'd to 2 TV stations and a radio station), accompanied by a 'confession' and demand for swift prosecution. > >Anyone got any nifty sound bites I can try to toss in? This guy has some Congressional Soundbites on his site: Damon Lust http://www.lust.org/~damon/ I didn't stay around to listen to them. But, his head seems to be in the right place. He refers to Congress as Corporate Pyscho Criminals. jz Publisher of the Zychik Chronicle. To subscribe send e-mail with sub-cy in the header

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Re: IBM, RSA Security
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>London, 9 February 1996 -- IBM UK has revealed a little >more of the detail surrounding its deal with RSA Data >Security for the Big Blue range of SecureWay Internet >security products and services. It's certainly nice to see such a range of products coming out of a non-US site, and from IBM at that! Does anybody know if they're using RSAREF-compatible software as part of their system? #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com / billstewart(a)attmail.com +1-415-442-2215 # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs

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Re: V-Chip Settings Escrow
by ethridge＠onramp.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>At 7:03 PM 2/9/96, Alexander Chislenko wrote: > >> Now if your child wants to go over to Billy's, you may want to call >>Billy's mom and ask her what her V-Chip settings are. >>Do not forget to ask her when was the last time she beat Billy at any computer >>game... > >It seems to me that by the logic--and possibly the direct language--of the >Communications Decency Act, parents who "expose" the children of others to >higher levels of V-Chip ratings than they get at home would themselves be >liable. > >Plus, how long will it be before Children's Protective Services interviews >children at their schools to determine if parents have set their V-Chip >levels too high? When i was a child we were taught in school that our society was better than the USSR's 'cause (( wow, the CD i'm playing on my computer just said "shit"! ) er, ah, excuse me ) children were encouraged to spy on their parents and turn them in and wouldn't it be horrible if we American children had to do the same. As an adult in my twenties i discovered that children were being encouraged to spy on their parents and turn them in here in the wonderful USA, in the Holy Name of the War on Drugs (everybody in my family gets their psychotropic drugs by perscription now so we're all safe). It's already too late. Unless there's another youth revolution maybe? First the twenties, then the sixties, next the double noughts? Dare i hope? allen

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Re: Dealing with Credit Reporting Agencies...
by btmoore＠iquest.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 09:31 AM 2/5/96 -0600, Karl Ike wrote: >Attila: I'm not in the business of running or hiding. I'm just an average, >everyday working guy that doesn't like credit reporting agencies, what they >stand for or what they do for money. I didn't say that I was going to do >this. I just had the idea! I don't have the knowledge or the money to spend. >That doesn't mean that there is someone out there that would jump at the idea. > >I just don't like the idea that these assholes know more about me than my >mother and sell my private and personal information to anyone for big bucks. >My credit is fine, just ask my banker or better yet, my mom. > >I am assumming that you know far more people on the internet since I have >only been on for a month and have done three e-mail. I'm just suggesting to >get the idea out and someone will take the ball and run. Yes, they will be a >hunted man, but not a US citizen. Someone out there with a laptop and a >cellular, living on a cruise ship, just may enjoy the idea. > >Just me, Karl Well Karl, It seems I missed your idea/solution in this post, however, some of us figured this out some years ago... I begin a campaign almost 10 years ago of feeding the computers false information about myself. I never use the Social Insecurity Number assigned to me... I don't even give it to the Bank. This makes for some rather dicey situations. I rarely use my real name or give out my real phone number. At this point in my life... I have *NO* credit history. I currently have *NO* bank account. My goal is to be completely invisible to the system. Yes I have had a few glitches in this plan from time to time... but I continue to work on it. I just have never felt warm and fuzzy knowing that any government agency, business, or whoever can get my personal information off a computer could come knock on my door some dark night. If you're interested in fortifying your privacy, I can give you a few pointers. 1.) Go to your local DMV and inform them you've had a change of address. I selected a high rise apartment building with 15 floors and selected an address on a non-existant 23rd floor. Getting your Driver's License address changed should cost less than $10.00. 2.) Go find a company like "Mail Boxes Etc." and rent a mailbox. The cost is nominal compared to the added privacy and security. The distinction between a mailbox and a Post Office Box is with a mailbox you have an actual street address. You can receive deliveries from UPS and Federal Express at a mailbox. You can't at a P.O. Box. 3.) This part requires some skill... befriending a graphic artist is a good idea for this one. But what you need is a phony work identification. Pick a name! A couple of "Pass Port Photos" and some lamination and you're good to go. 4.) Take your new persona down to your local utility companies and get the serv- ice switched to the name of your new persona. Even get your phone switched and have the number non-published. You'll be pleasantly surprised from now on, everytime your phone rings, it will be someone you really want to talk to. 5.) Go down to your local Post Office and file a change of address form. Use the address of your mailbox. Remember, most companies that provide Mailbox service, will need to see your drivers license... which of course now has a non-existant address on it. You can take this as far as you want... Just doing these 5 things will give you a sense of comfort and security you've probably not had in a long time. How does this fit into cyperpunks and encryption? The philosophy is the same! What good is it encrypting your messages to ensure your privacy when everything else is exposed! It's a lot like an Ostrich burying his head in the sand to hide, but leaving all his good parts exposed! Benjamin T. Moore, Jr. btmoore(a)iquest.net (Jian #AJF IRChat) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMRlexoSAJOVFNaChAQFBCQf8Drm04x2YT5gZb8cklwep1eBVKxOMyVzn /ZN3Tk+lKT05CAT0TCmHm+8oztqxWhgjMklYT228C5u4zvaF8ZrYvLxMp7RQPHvK D2fSKdMGMs+pPvJxPUC5UXssoIsBS0W+i4dO5jDIj/MkXM4JFHsDHvFqr9Q7FqwE Xr75lHjiNP4Gcv06WkVpJewJMaflP5zcrSam577/fbbCkYM6e4nhQPGdqdi83txM hzvCs8cHalPa9UJGuSbIZObe1fAUkQMsVqEomXe5HuBzukJigwdqj4IK9SJixTVx m0Fxf/W74j4lS1TXpqjCQoSD4EPRAleCYR6SFbqV/p0/cMYqv6kErA== =4HYS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: Web900 - The easiest way to charge users ...
by Pete Loshin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bob Hettinga forwarded to the list this: >--- begin forwarded text [deletia] > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Web900 - The easiest way to charge users to access your web site! > ------------------------------------------------------------------ [more deletia] Rather than rely on the text Bob forwarded, I took a look at the Web page and it appears to not have much more information than provided here. Without knowing any more about this system than what is on their Web page, one (apparently) obvious flaw is that it makes it real easy for me to charge my Web fees to my mother-in-law/friend/whoever's house I can get into and make the 900 # call. Presumably this flaw can be minized by giving the access code a short time to live so you have to enter it in the system real soon after getting it, to discourage running around to all your (soon to be ex-)friends' houses. Of course, this brings up the even more obvious flaw: You have to cut short your browsing session (if you dial in) to make the phone call, and then dial back in. This strikes me as being much more complicated and burdensome than any other method cited. Also, since it seems that you set up an account with the merchant through a single call/code, you could run up quite a tab on someone else--untraceably--before you would get cut off. It would be interesting to hear more about how this system handles these issues. -Pete Loshin pete(a)loshin.com

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Your Point Is ?
by Tim Cook 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Because, the are dumb as shit. It's simple really, back to the > origional point, most people are about as bight as a rock, they > don't care about anything other than stuffing there pathetic faces, > waching the idoit box, and passing on their bad genetic structure > and pathetic world view. That is all they have, it's not that they > have anything to contribute to the world. They are pathetic, since > they have no life, and know that their world view hasn't got a > prayer in a free market place of ideas, they choose to maintain it > by force. > I'm sorry. I seem to have missed your point. I thought you made one in the above text. But after that, you seemed to have grouped yourself with those braindead no-lifers. Where did YOU lose ME? <VBG>. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMRwopHZBD5a0GJkxAQGkUAQAwnKZ9E9znTul/abjiH/bYEMoJnlY27mE 2Ylk37HZWp3g9JVNmF0YvZWWsw1l3B+lzu1SC8GgG4V9h7Q483d4o0Nj995qVhhu TQTkimH7XM0KH9Cc6Rw1PgcoZPaQgjjQg+loA1/N9lwCa9GZc2hTQlvDF/qV8d9B wAxEpKGca9o= =I0yG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Another "Logical Conclusion" by: Tim Cook <twcook(a)cts.com> Support THE US Constitution... Vote Alexander in '96 and '00!

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USPS Electronic Commerce Services
by bart＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Because I registered for the upcoming Internet Expo in San Jose, I got, by mail, an announcement of forthcoming Post Office services. These "Postal Electronic Commerce Services" will be demo'd at Booth 626 at this show on February 20-21. The flyer says: "Postal Electronic Commerce Services will provide end-to-end security, confidentiality, integrity, and proof of origin to all your electronic information transfer and storage." Interestingly they suggest that the government is to be a prime beneficiary: "For governments to get full value from the increased use of personal computers and public access terminals (kiosks) the privacy and security of every transaction must be guaranteed." Under the HOW IT WORKS section, after a quick gloss on public key cryptography they state: "Once a person generates a unique key (using their own software), they will take the "public" part of that key to a postal representative along with documents that prove their identity. Postal Electronic Commerce Services will then issue a certificate which guarantees that the identity of the person matches the "public" key that they presented. PECS will also electronically postmark the document using its own set of "keys". This guarantees the validity of the stamp and legally establishes the existence of the document." They offer a FAX number for further info: (202) 268 4399 and a phone too at (202) 268 3435. No mention of GAK or key length limits that I could see. I will surely be at their booth on the 20th.

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No Subject
by owner-cypherpunks＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I found this article in misc.survivalism, but despite its presence there, it actually has some interesting things to say about developing directions in money laundering enforcement, including mention of electronic purses. And "The Financial Times" is no slouch of a paper. --Tim May In article <4fbg19$nv1(a)ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, taxhaven(a)ix.netcom.com(Adam Starchild ) wrote: > From The Financial Times (London) for February 3-4, 1996: > > > WORLD'S FINANCIAL POLICE TO CAST MONEY LAUNDERING NET WIDER > > by George Graham, Banking Correspondent > > > The world's leading financial policemen are to consider > targeting money laundering from arms trafficking, extortion and > bribery as well as the drugs trade. > Members of the Financial Action Task Force, grouping senior > government officials from the European Commission, the Gulf Co- > operation Council and 26 other countries, have launched a review > of their guiding principles. > The review is expected to be completed by June, and could > result in the criminalisation of money laundering linked to any > serious crime. > The Task Force's current recommendations, which set out > minimum standards for money laundering laws in member countries, > only require the criminalisation of drug money laundering, > although countries are also urged to consider extending the > offence to other crimes with a narcotics link. > Mr. Ronald Noble, under-secretary for enforcement at the US > Treasury and president of the Task Force, said the group had not > yet decided whether to widen the definition of money laundering. > Including all serious crimes could, however, make it simpler for > law enforcement officials to launch investigations of > transactions that look suspicious but have no obvious drugs link. > "It would make it much easier to collect information," Mr. > Noble said. "People who before were engaged in the illegal > transfer of funds would find it more difficult and more costly." > A broader definition might, however, make it more difficult > to apply the Task Force recommendation that countries should have > the power to confiscate laundered money. > The review is not expected to result in big changes to the > 40 principles currently recommended by the Task Force, which > officials believe have already contributed to substantial > advances in the fight against money laundering. > But the review will also have to consider whether to address > the new issues raised by the development of "cybercash," new > varieties of payments systems such as stored value cards or > electronic purses. > "We have to be concerned as an organisation to come up with > principles which recognize that technologies could pose a threat > but do not define them in such a way that you are dated as soon > as you publish them," Mr. Noble said. > Law enforcement officials are keen that the developers of > new financial technologies should think about their criminal > potential before they launch them, so that governments do not > have to clamp down on them afterwards with rigid rules. > Possible safeguards against the misuse of electronic purses > could include limiting their maximum value or restricting their > use to certain closed systems. > > Posted by Adam Starchild > Asset Protection & Becoming Judgement Proof on the World > Wide Web at http://www.catalog.com/corner/taxhaven

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Re: Applied Cryptography, 2nd Edition -- Errata version 1.2
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Timothy C. May wrote: > > At 1:49 AM 2/9/96, Bruce Schneier wrote: > > APPLIED CRYPTOGRAPHY, Second Edition > > > > ERRATA > > Version 1.2 - 1 February 1996 > > > ... > > Wow. Does this mean the Third Edition will be coming out soon? > > (Not to sound harsh, but that's a *lot* of errors still in the book...I > thought a lot of reviewers were going to squish out these sorts of > things?) That would depend on hw long you'd want to delay releasing a book. When I finished reading 1st ed., I decided I was going to try coding the MMB cipher, got ahold of the erratta which read "MMB has been cracked. Don't use it" or something like that. Had nothing to do with a typo. Rob. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMRr8GioZzwIn1bdtAQH+XAGAjFImro/S6WQYJpmuGEA8L0eQAWw21ECT AE0+m81jRK9AtXlbFLkg24ou6mU8N357 =noJq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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