December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Re: [NEWS] Crypto-relevant wire clippings
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Adamsc(a)io-online.com Fri Sep 20 01:07:49 1996 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 20 Sep 96 01:24:03 EDT for dlv Received: from [206.245.244.5] by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA09924 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Fri, 20 Sep 96 01:07:49 -0400 Received: from GIGANTE ([206.245.244.204]) by irc.io-online.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 285-17715) with SMTP id AAA186 for <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com>; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:07:13 -0700 From: Adamsc(a)io-online.com (Adamsc) To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 22:07:34 -0800 Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> X-Mailer: Chris Adams's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 X-Filtered: By PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re: [NEWS] Crypto-relevant wire clippings Message-Id: <19960920050709843.AAA186@GIGANTE> You are being gently flamed because. [X] you continued a boring useless stupid thread [ ] you repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to [x] you repeatedly initiated incoherent, flaky, and mindless threads [x] you posted a piece riddled with profanities [ ] you advocated Net censorship [ ] you SCREAMED! (used all caps) [x] you posted some sort of crap that doesn't belong in this group [ ] you posted the inanely stupid 'Make Money Fast' article [ ] you threatened others with physical harm [x] you made a bigoted statement(s) [x] you repeatedly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority [x] you are under the misapprehension that this group is your preserve [x] you repeatedly shown lack of humor [x] you are apparently under compulsion to post to every threat [?] you are posting an anonymous attack >>> Thank you for the time you have taken to read this. Live n' Learn.<<< # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 "I have never been able to figure out why anyone would want to play games on a computer in any case when the whole system is a game. Word processing, spreadsheets, telecoms -- it's all a game. And they pay you to play it." -- Duncan Frissell

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Cellular Industry rejects US plan for surveillance
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Front page of todays New York Times. "But many industry executives and privacy-rights advocates disagree with the government's interpretation of the [Digital telephony] law. The industry says that the new cellular abilities would be burdensomely expensive to administer...." http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/financial/cellular-phone-monitor.html Login, of course, is cypherpunks, password cypherpunks Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: Re: CIA hacked
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Adamsc(a)io-online.com Fri Sep 20 01:14:30 1996 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 20 Sep 96 01:24:05 EDT for dlv Received: from [206.245.244.5] by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA10241 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Fri, 20 Sep 96 01:14:30 -0400 Received: from GIGANTE ([206.245.244.204]) by irc.io-online.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 285-17715) with SMTP id AAA199 for <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com>; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:14:03 -0700 From: Adamsc(a)io-online.com (Adamsc) To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 22:14:25 -0800 Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> X-Mailer: Chris Adams's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 X-Filtered: By PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re: CIA hacked Message-Id: <19960920051400906.AAA199@GIGANTE> You are being gently flamed because. [X] you continued a boring useless stupid thread [ ] you repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to [x] you repeatedly initiated incoherent, flaky, and mindless threads [x] you posted a piece riddled with profanities [ ] you advocated Net censorship [ ] you SCREAMED! (used all caps) [x] you posted some sort of crap that doesn't belong in this group [ ] you posted the inanely stupid 'Make Money Fast' article [ ] you threatened others with physical harm [x] you made a bigoted statement(s) [x] you repeatedly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority [x] you are under the misapprehension that this group is your preserve [x] you repeatedly shown lack of humor [x] you are apparently under compulsion to post to every threat [?] you are posting an anonymous attack >>> Thank you for the time you have taken to read this. Live n' Learn.<<< # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 "I have never been able to figure out why anyone would want to play games on a computer in any case when the whole system is a game. Word processing, spreadsheets, telecoms -- it's all a game. And they pay you to play it." -- Duncan Frissell

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Re: Re: CIA hacked
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Adamsc(a)io-online.com Fri Sep 20 01:12:21 1996 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 20 Sep 96 01:24:04 EDT for dlv Received: from [206.245.244.5] by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA10200 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Fri, 20 Sep 96 01:12:21 -0400 Received: from GIGANTE ([206.245.244.204]) by irc.io-online.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 285-17715) with SMTP id AAA184 for <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com>; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:11:52 -0700 From: Adamsc(a)io-online.com (Adamsc) To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 22:12:08 -0800 Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> X-Mailer: Chris Adams's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 X-Filtered: By PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re: CIA hacked Message-Id: <19960920051144046.AAA184@GIGANTE> You are being gently flamed because. [X] you continued a boring useless stupid thread [ ] you repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to [x] you repeatedly initiated incoherent, flaky, and mindless threads [x] you posted a piece riddled with profanities [ ] you advocated Net censorship [ ] you SCREAMED! (used all caps) [x] you posted some sort of crap that doesn't belong in this group [ ] you posted the inanely stupid 'Make Money Fast' article [ ] you threatened others with physical harm [x] you made a bigoted statement(s) [x] you repeatedly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority [x] you are under the misapprehension that this group is your preserve [x] you repeatedly shown lack of humor [x] you are apparently under compulsion to post to every threat [?] you are posting an anonymous attack >>> Thank you for the time you have taken to read this. Live n' Learn.<<< # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 "I have never been able to figure out why anyone would want to play games on a computer in any case when the whole system is a game. Word processing, spreadsheets, telecoms -- it's all a game. And they pay you to play it." -- Duncan Frissell

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Re: All Bets Off
by pjb＠ny.ubs.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

actually, i understood that he was an insurance salesman. -paul > From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Fri Sep 20 06:43:59 1996 > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:19:44 -0400 (EDT) > From: The Deviant <deviant(a)pooh-corner.com> > To: Daniel Christopher Miskell <DMiskell(a)envirolink.org> > Cc: Rabid Wombat <wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org>, cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: All Bets Off > Organization: The Silicon Pirates > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > TEXT/PLAIN> ; > charset=US-ASCII> > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Content-Length: 754 > > On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Daniel Christopher Miskell wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:30:32 -0400 > > From: Daniel Christopher Miskell <DMiskell(a)envirolink.org> > > To: Rabid Wombat <wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org> > > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > > Subject: Re: All Bets Off > > > > >On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Jeff Davis wrote: > > > > > [lots of quoting rm'd] > > > > > Tom Clancy is not a military-hired brain, but to make his novels realistic and > > to do justice to the people he portrays, he does a LOT of research. He is a > > highly respected author, and I have no doubt that his statement is based on > > his personal findings, collected for a previous novel. > > > > I beleive he was also a Capain in the Navy... > > --Deviant > Old MacDonald had an agricultural real estate tax abatement. > > >

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Re: The periodic caveat about Timmy May
by DMiskell＠envirolink.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>attila <attila(a)primenet.com> writes: > >> In <199609190517.HAA00851(a)basement.replay.com>, on 09/19/96 >> at 07:17 AM, nobody(a)flame.alias.net (Anonymous) said: >> >> = .Timmy May habitually digs into his cesspool of a mind for his >> = .mailing list fertilizer. >> >> this is humour. it tickles the imagination, and the reference >> to tim is lost! > >Can we get all this non-crypto-relevant shit off of this mailing list please? > >--- > >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM >Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps Sorry, dear, but complaining isn't going to change it, and simple telling people to shut the fuck up is going to go nowhere. If you want solely crypto relevent material, subscribe to the filtered list. I mean, come on -- you know this list is suseptable (sp?) to noise and spam. Besides, people suggest to me that you are the anonymous mailer. So maybe you should keep a low profile on this. -- If in fact we are the only intelligent life on this planet, why the fuck are we in this goddamn mess? -- Find my public key on the World Wide Web -- point your browser at: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html

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anonymous bacon
by Jonathan Corbet 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following, from RISKS, deserves redistribution.... Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:04:47 -0400 From: pcw(a)access.digex.net (Peter Wayner) Subject: Bringing Home the Anonymous Bacon The *Baltimore Sun* reports in its 17 Sep 1996 issue that people in Baltimore are paying for drugs with meat (page A1! [pretty saucy!]). Perhaps this is not yet anonymous digital cash, but certainly anonymous. [Now someone is going to propose keeping a database of all sides of beef, and steganographically watermarking the meat in the context of digitally signed scannable grade-stamps. Perhaps the next step in monitoring the private drug-meat trade would be to escrow the inspectors' private keys, derived from the product of two U.S. Primes, and put the database up on the net: the T-bone connected to the M-bone, etc.? PGN]

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ANYONES CREDIT CARD # per your request.
by brianh＠u041.oh.vp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thought this would be appropriate to the list Forwarded message: > From u082.wi.vp.com!alis Fri Sep 20 10:57:39 1996 > Message-Id: <m0v46wy-0002J9C(a)u082.wi.vp.com> > From: alis(a)u082.wi.vp.com (Ali Sajanlal) > Subject: Credit Card information (fwd) > To: nd(a)u082.wi.vp.com > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 9:53:03 CDT > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL8] > > Forwarded message: > > Date: 20 Sep 96 18:38:16 > > Subject: Credit Card information > > > ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ > > Subject: FYI - Check this out > > Author: alis(a)u082.wi.vp[.com > > Date: 9/20/96 10.00 AM > > > FYI - Check this out > > > > Unfortunately, this message needs to be propagated to protect all of us. > > > > Note: Lexis-Nexis is only accepting written or fax requests. You have the > > option to fax your removal request to (513) 865-1930 state your full name > > and complete address. Or mail the request to: > > Lexis-Nexis > > Attn: P-Track > > P.O. Box 933 > > Dayton, Ohio > > 45401-0933 > > > > > > >Subject: FYI > > >Author: Nathan Judge at NYERPOC > > >Date: 9/16/96 2:42 PM > > > > > >Your name, social security number, current address, previous addresses, > > >mother's maiden name, birth date and other personal information are now > > >available to anyone with a credit card through a new Lexis database called > > >P-Trax. As I am sure you are aware, this information could be used to > > commit > > >credit card fraud or otherwise allow someone else to use your identity. > > > > > >You can have your name and information removed from this list by making a > > >telephone request. Call (800)543-6862, select option 4 and then option 3 > > >("all other questions") and tell the representative answering that you wish > > >to remove your name from the P-trax database. You may also send a fax to > > >(513) 865-7360, or physical mail to LEXIS-NEXIS / P.O. Box 933 / Dayton, > > >Ohio 45401-0933. Sending physical mail to confirm your name has been > > removed > > >is always a good idea. > > > > > >As word of the existence of this database has spread on the net, > > Lexis-Nexis > > >has been inundated with calls, and has set up a special set of operators to > > > > >handle the volume. In addition, Andrew Bleh (rhymes with "Play") is a > > >manager responsible for this product, and is the person to whom complaints > > >about the service could be directed. He can be reached at the above 800 > > >number. Ask for extension 3385. According to Lexis, the manager > > responsible > > >is Bill Fister at extension 1364. > > > > > >Please forward this e-mail to everyone we know. > > > > > > > Ali S. > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- //!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\ Brian Hills Varco-Pruden Buildings 1202 Industrial Dr. Van Wert, OH 45891 419.238.9533 - brianh(a)u041.oh.vp.com \\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//!\\!//

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Free E-Cash
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

WSJ, September 20, 1996, p. A16. Fed Chief to U.S: Back Off On Electronic-Cash Rules Washington -- Regulators should stay out of the way and let the market for electronic money develop without government meddling, said Alan Greenspan, chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. "The private sector will need the freedom to experiment without broad interference from the government," he told a government conference on electronic cash yesterday. Too much interference could impede innovation, he said. Bank debit cards, along with other forms of electronic payments, "account for a very small percentage of transactions," he said. "Even the use of popular credit cards has only recently begun to challenge paper's dominance." [End]

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re: Stego inside encryption
by Mullen Patrick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To take this one step further, has anyone tried to ever use this method as an encryption method? You could hide data in a stream of random bits, using position as the encryption method. Obviously, the data would not be stored in packets; rather as single bits strewn throughout the stream. Even ASCII characters could be hidden in such a system very well, as the possibility of choosing the correct 8 bits (extended char set) from the data stream when any combination has equal potential of being the correct sequence would be extremely difficult. Error checking/correcting code could even be used. Using this system, the placement algorithm would be the focus of attack. If an algorithm which has a sufficiently random placement was used, extracting the correct bits would be difficult. Another way to increase the security would be to hide the correct message inside a bitstream created by using the same method on other similar messages. (Hiding a real message inside bogus messages. Hmm... Which one's real?) Patrick _______________________________________________________________________________ From: Mullen Patrick on Thu, Sep 19, 1996 9:19 Subject: Stego inside encryption To: Cypherpunks I know a lot of times the idea behind steganography is to hide the fact that a secret message is in a seemingly normal file/mail/whatever. This is good for avoiding unwanted interest in your file. The benefit of not having people attempt to crack you code, added to the strength of the cryptosystem is wonderful. However, I propose this-- Don't hide that anything's encrypted! Rather than hide this fact, throw it in their face! I propose hiding an encrypted message inside another encrypted message. Set bits in specific places to data in the real message. The benefit is Oscar not only doesn't know what the crypto is, he attacks the wrong message. Hiding statistically random bits from the true message in statistically random bits from the masking message shouldn't be too hard. Granted, this scheme doesn't get you past measures designed to keep out all encrypted messages, and it surely wouldn't keep you message from generating interest, but it would be very hard to decrypt the message, especially when some algorithm is used which (seemingly) randomly selects which bits to use for the stego. Just a thought... My apologies if someone has already proposed this method. Patrick

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