December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: RC2 Source Code - Legal Warning from RSADSI
by Adam philipp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:51 PM 2/1/96 -0500, you wrote: >The author claims that the code was disassembled. S/he credits "CodeView" >which is Microsoft's debugging/disassembly tool. Of course, this could >just be a cunning ruse... Although it has not been completely settled that disassembly is a legitimate form of reverse engineering, the trend has been to consider the two equivalent. So, whoever posted RC2 had at least a good idea of how to present it. I don't think it would be be a good idea for them to come out and sue RSA for libel for the accusation that it was misappropriated however. Adam, Esq. --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\ |PGP key available on my home page|Unauthorized interception violates | | http://XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX/adam |federal law (18 USC Section 2700 et| |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|seq.). In any case, PGP encrypted | |SUB ROSA... |communications are preferred for | | (see home page for definition) |sensitive materials. | \-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-/

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Nu?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May, 2/1/96, 10:39: > * I believe that much of "Jewish culture" is, for historical reasons, > closely related to German culture. It is understandable that so many Jews > hate Germans and German culture, but also sad. (I don't mean the newer > Israeli/Hebrew culture, but the Yiddish/German culture, which was so shaken > by the Holocaust that, sadly in my opinion, it cannot acknowledte its > essential Germanness.) We have an old saying, Tim, "Nisht geshtoygen, nisht gefloygen," which more or less means "You're making no sense" - literally, "You're not standing, you're not flying." I'll bow to you on CP-related matters any day, but on the subject of Yiddish culture you're clearly pretty clueless. No great loss, I assure you. ObCrypto: Reputations are subject-specific, not global. Your reputation on the Holocaust is nill, about the same as my relatives' (the ones with the funny striped suits and tattoos on their forearms) reputations are on the subject of encryption. Stick to crypto, folks - this isn't Shoah-punks.

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Re: RC2 Source Code - Legal Warning from RSADSI
by Patrick Lamb 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:06 2/1/96 PST, you wrote: > >WARNING NOTICE > > It has recently come to the attention of RSA Data >Security, Inc. that certain of its confidential and >proprietary source code has been misappropriated and >disclosed. Despite such unauthorized use and disclosure, >RSA Data Security reserves all intellectual property rights >in such source code under applicable law, including without >limitation trade secret and copyright protection. (Remainder of warning elided.) Does this mean RSADSI is claiming copyright infringement on the RC2 source code? Pat -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzACleQAAAEH/2+41W3bZPuWU1gv6A0bq3a57bgCiCAbU1QY41f+NI1I8i/+ a/L314RIpCR0iCZhsNMHNI9rVovsbmOQE4Cf9YYL3cClUoE2VAsLOi9LAjlN8qYc kmAqpsGQ39eaKrnlC/0lxJtFZgypT4m9UIsTU986y3gyy+ZTWwxtbDaLBEdsTiH/ e+zosoBiXmwWYY1n+5yvaKLGMUwa20AKdoRCUgqhJQpkW0nAvItU6WhaqxwH6JXp KCNsuP6k8FBmcKZfSSvUphSOIJnARAq9K9UPhj5BeAy1vKZ416jfgeYQUTxHQOMT rTiQOYR/oAR35gBpGYg6p1lu6Ma5eDPtpBPadUUABRG0IFBhdHJpY2sgTGFtYiA8 cGRsYW1iQGlxdWVzdC5jb20+ =DZzp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Tivoli
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mike, Is it fair to assume that it's your Tivoli that's in the NYT and WSJ today, bought by IBM? If so, congrats on never again having to sell your body for everlasting fame and glory. Envious

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Alien factoring breakthroughs
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Came across this little gem on the web the other day. I thought I'd post it - it's as sensible as most of the crap here. Yours conspiratorially, Noddy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: remallin(a)dorsai.dorsai.org (Richard Mallinson) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy, alt.alien.visitors, sci.math, alt.politics.org.nsa Subject: The Grays' involvement in cryptography and national security Date: 25 Jan 1994 07:05:10 GMT Summary: How the NSA has got help from extraterrtestrials ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- One thing that the NSA will not reveal is the magnitude of their advancement in theoretical mathematics and cryptography. It is estimated that the NSA is about 200 years ahead of the rest of the world in mathematical theory. This not only allows them to break any code devised outside of the NSA, but to devise codes which cannot be broken. A tiny part of this advancement is due to an intensive mathematics research program commenced in the 1960s. Fermat's Last Theorem was proven conclusively in 1964, but only those in the NSA know of it. Some 2,000 theorems and lemmas, all numbered and classified, have arisen. At least a dozen branches of theoretical mathematics such as flag theory, superspace theory, interstice theory, match theory and quantum logic have been developed, and yet not only has the outside world never heard of them, but the NSA has been deliberately inserting disinformation into textbooks, research papers, et cetera to keep everybody else off the trail. Most of this advancement has been achieved with outside help. In 1973, during the Nixon Administration, the NSA hooked up fith the Jason Society, the top-secret body that liaises with the extraterrestrial beings known as the Grays. This gave them an immediate infusion of mathematical theory, as the grays have developed mathematics to a level which we cannot completely comprehend. In return, the grays were given two more bases in New Mexico and a 15% increase in the number of people that they may abduct per year for analysis and extraction of vital fluids. The Grays have renegged on their abduction quota agreement, and are abducting many more people than before. Most of these are returned, after being implanted with a device which allows the grays to have total control over their thoughts and actions. Approximately 40% of Americans now carry one of these devices, which are impossible to remove without killing the host. Richard E. Mallinson ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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No Subject
by anon-remailer＠utopia.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Are anon remailers the only way to send anon email without giving up the source eventhough an organization has a wealth of dough/technology and several class B addresses? Couldn't they just trick their mail servers or would a nslookup/whois defeat that? And are nym accounts the only way to receive email without giving up who the intended recipient of tha mail/news post actually is?

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Re: RC2 Source Code - Legal Warning from RSADSI
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Despite being totally uninvolved with whatever this guy's talking about, Jim Bell is responding: At 11:06 AM 2/1/96 PST, baldwin wrote: > >WARNING NOTICE > > It has recently come to the attention of RSA Data >Security, Inc. that certain of its confidential and >proprietary source code has been misappropriated and >disclosed. Despite such unauthorized use and disclosure, >RSA Data Security reserves all intellectual property rights >in such source code under applicable law, including without >limitation trade secret and copyright protection. Hey, I'm not a lawyer, and I don't even play one on TV, but as I understood the law keeping something a secret was an alternative to disclosing it with a patent. Patents had certain advantages and disadvantages; trade secrets had other advantages and other disadvantages. A famous example, the "formula for Coca-Cola" was kept secret for decades; to patent it would have allowed anybody else to build Coca-Cola after 17 years of patent protection. Keeping it secret could, theoretically last forever, but the legal protection against copying is less or even non-existent. I am well aware that the legal system has been abusing the whole concept of patenting software, etc, ever since they discovered they wanted to keep the country from using RSA in the middle 1970's. However, it seems to me that if your "trade secret" is now disclosed, then it really isn't a "trade secret" anymore and you lose "trade secret" status. You may have a valid claim against the discloser, but that SHOULD be unrelated to everyone else. It sounds like you want the best of both worlds: You want to claim "trade secret" status for something that you either can't or don't want to patent.

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Re: Charter of PDX Cpunk meetings
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 10:52 PM 2/1/96 -0800, Alan Olsen wrote: > >I requested that this debate be taken to private e-mail. Since you seem to >not want to do that, and since you insist of making false and unrealistic >claims, Which "false and unrealistic claims"? I am removing your name from the subscription list for >pdx-cypherpunks. This isn't a DEBATE. It is a WARNING to all other potential suckers in the Portland Oregon area that Alan Olsen engaged in highly unethical behavior with regards to the recent cypherpunks meeting, flamed me without justification in the national list, failed to respond to security inquiries, failed to deny issues and matters of truth, and failed to properly deal with a situation that he had a responsibility to handle ethically. Not to mention lying in the comment above. I am going to take this to the national list, because you took it there first in your original flame: I am going to point out that you flamed me for no good reason; you engaged in a "knee-jerk" "debunking" without even knowing what you were ostensibly "debunking," that you failed to respond to my polite request for clarification; that you've attempted to pretend that I was somehow at fault for noticing your transgressions; that your local clique is pre-programmed to defend you in the face of your transgressions. I notice that some of them don't even know what a key-signing meeting is FOR: I've received commentary which suggests that they believe that key-signing somehow vouches for the HONESTY of the person involved; not his IDENTITY. Until you start responding substantively to legitimate complaints, that is all you deserve. The public needs to be warned about people like you. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMRHIE/qHVDBboB2dAQHHMAQAkTFZaMMF6asl79yU8RSkd5O0zYElg9so syuonRR1UnrzTGlQ2cT/8GPZhuV/IIBSiroxu7EwCX6ASR6BTRUGVdTWbN3l27Vi M6FRiduXpBvzpIzQ7XOzwcvPv0D/bLXwXPGHzmUzqsk3chWpsskKw1PKZun7wCKL fG2MVim+Vqk= =Di2Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Anonymity -> Untraceability -> High Latency?
by Nelson Minar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been trying out various mechanisms for anonymity: remailer chains, HTTP proxies. There's one problem that makes them inconvenient to use regularly: latency. A good Type I remailer chain takes at least an hour to deliver email, instead of the 15 seconds I'm used to. Mixmaster-style takes even longer; the delay is important to the security of the system. Forwarding all my HTTP requests through a proxy adds an extra hop and some processing to all web transactions, noticeably slowing down browsing. I'm not much for waiting for computers. The problem is that that these anonymity schemes rely on untraceability. And to be untraceable, we have to have centralized servers take our traffic and forward it along, stripping out identifying information, burying it in the noise of lots of other traffic. But that forwarding process seems guaranteed to add latency to the communication. Back in the old days (ie: six months ago, before Web search engines were big on the scene) I was reasonably happy with the needle-in-a-haystack anonymity of the unorganized Internet. I posted personal things to Usenet, fairly sure that only the members of that Usenet group were going to see my messages. I ftped files from all over without worrying that my transactions would be logged permanently. But now, with the amazing success of Web searching, I no longer feel that obscurity is sufficient security. Are there other approaches to anonymity that don't impose the latency that forwarding messages around does?

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Helping the Crypto-Clueless
by Bruce Baugh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While talking with Alan Olsen about the impending Telecommunications Decency Act, a thought struck me: one of the groups that's really going to be hurt by this is pagans. Me, I'm one o' them Christian types; it's my anarchism that'll get me on lists. But insofar as cypherpunks have contact with pagans (and aboriginal American groups and the like), probably there are a lot of folks who should be ramping up for privacy right away. Bruce Baugh bruce(a)aracnet.com

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