December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

[local] Minneapolis CP get-together
by Kevin L Prigge 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Who: Minneapolis Cypherpunks What: Local get-together & key signing party When: Saturday, Feb 10th @ approx 5pm -> ??? Where: Applebees (3200 W Lake St) I'll be facilitating a key signing, send your public key to me before hand to get on the list. If you have any questions or need directions, let me know.

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Intro from a list reader
by Christopher Drake 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, My name is Christopher Drake, I own the company NetSafe. We manufacture and sell one product - NetSafe - which prevents one small but universally unadressed, serious problem in computer security: We prevent passwords (etc) from being stolen with Key Press Password recorders (KPPRs). My interest in this list is to stay up-to-date with the industry. You may recently have heard of the First Virtual announcement re: credit card number theft via automated means: our software specifically prevents this. Full details can be found at http://pobox.com/~netsafe Interested parties from the recent cypherpunks meeting might like to note my public key: after the discussion I finally did it :-) NetSafe. PO Box 298, North Sydney 2060, Australia. (24hrs) Tel:+61 2 9966 1995 WWW: http://pobox.com/~netsafe E-Mail: NetSafe(a)pobox.com Fax: (02) 9957 1991 NetSafe provides inexpensive military certified security software to protect against key-press password recorders, trojan horses, viruses, etc. Antitamper antitraceing antidissasembly protection is also included. >>>>>>>>> Passwords should be protected in a manner that is consistent <<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>> with the damage that could be caused by their compromise. <<<<<<<<< -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.i mQCNAjD/mQAAAAEEAP/////NetSafe+PGP+key////We+provide+inexpensive AntiFraud/theft+etc+Security+Software5tGfKREuINIWsQqsLNS+uAneN9M SuMu37f+NU/U2djtxE/b9h4bJ4wb8h3QkBiuTAS1QjpxpxryQzZ10zzGQe8VAAUR tChDaHJpc3RvcGhlciBOLiBEcmFrZSA8TmV0U2FmZUBQb2JveC5jb20+ =SGC/ -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail, which is available at: ftp://ftp.csua.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/premail/premail-0.33a.tar.gz For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)extropia.wimsey.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"portal"} = "<hfinney(a)shell.portal.com> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"alumni"} = "<hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"bsu-cs"} = "<nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu> cpunk hash ksub"; $remailer{"c2"} = "<remail(a)c2.org> eric pgp hash reord"; $remailer{"penet"} = "<anon(a)anon.penet.fi> penet post"; $remailer{"ideath"} = "<remailer(a)ideath.goldenbear.com> cpunk hash ksub reord"; $remailer{"hacktic"} = "<remailer(a)utopia.hacktic.nl> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"flame"} = "<remailer(a)flame.alias.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut post reord"; $remailer{"rahul"} = "<homer(a)rahul.net> cpunk pgp hash filter"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"ford"} = "<remailer(a)bi-node.zerberus.de> cpunk pgp hash ksub ek"; $remailer{"hroller"} = "<hroller(a)c2.org> cpunk pgp hash latent ek"; $remailer{"vishnu"} = "<mixmaster(a)vishnu.alias.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord"; $remailer{"robo"} = "<robo(a)c2.org> cpunk hash mix"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"spook"} = "<remailer(a)valhalla.phoenix.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek reord"; $remailer{"rmadillo"} = "<remailer(a)armadillo.com> mix cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"ecafe"} = "<cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org> cpunk mix"; $remailer{"wmono"} = "<wmono(a)valhalla.phoenix.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut"; $remailer{"shinobi"} = "<remailer(a)shinobi.alias.net> cpunk mix hash latent cut ek reord"; $remailer{"amnesia"} = "<amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub"; $remailer{"gondolin"} = "<mix(a)remail.gondolin.org> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek reord"; $remailer{"tjava"} = "<remailer(a)tjava.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"pamphlet"} = "<pamphlet(a)idiom.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ?"; $remailer{'alpha'} = '<alias(a)alpha.c2.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'gondonym'} = '<alias(a)nym.gondolin.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'nymrod'} = '<nymrod(a)nym.alias.net> alpha pgp'; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (c2 robo hroller alpha) (gondolin gondonym) (flame hacktic replay) (alumni portal) (vishnu spook wmono) Use "premail -getkeys pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu" to get PGP keys for the remailers. Fingering this address works too. Note: The remailer list now includes information for the alpha nymserver. Last update: Mon 5 Feb 96 6:47:36 PST remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ford remailer(a)bi-node.zerberus.de +--+++++..-+ 8:06:08 99.94% portal hfinney(a)shell.portal.com *#+*######## :42 99.94% alumni hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu +-+#+ ---*## 27:01 99.81% pamphlet pamphlet(a)idiom.com +++++++ ++++ 44:57 99.80% alpha alias(a)alpha.c2.org ***** ***-** 18:20 99.72% hroller hroller(a)c2.org ###### ##-## 12:23 99.63% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com ++-+- -----+ 1:25:43 99.56% gondolin mix(a)remail.gondolin.org ---- 7:30:27 99.47% flame remailer(a)flame.alias.net --+++ + -++- 1:17:58 99.41% ecafe cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org ##*## + ##*# 1:46 99.41% c2 remail(a)c2.org ***** *** ** 23:58 99.29% nymrod nymrod(a)nym.alias.net ***+*** *** 7:40 99.18% gondonym alias(a)nym.gondolin.org *-- 4:42:54 98.55% shinobi remailer(a)shinobi.alias.net #### # *#-# 33:56 98.34% extropia remail(a)extropia.wimsey.com _.__.-.--- 21:13:22 97.85% vishnu mixmaster(a)vishnu.alias.net +*+****--+ 37:03 96.15% penet anon(a)anon.penet.fi __.-__ _ . 44:43:59 92.95% rahul homer(a)rahul.net ** ## ****## 4:49 99.66% hacktic remailer(a)utopia.hacktic.nl ** + **** 8:01 89.57% replay remailer(a)replay.com *- +**** 6:41 80.79% tjava remailer(a)tjava.com *##### 2:46 32.29% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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"Can't we all just get along?"
by Pot＠networking.stanford.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is not FLAMEpunks.

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Re: Jim Bell - Murderous Terrorist
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:06 PM 2/4/96 -0800, jdoe-0007(a)alpha.c2.org wrote: >Jim Bell has advocated nothing less than paid death squads using crypto as a >means to hide payment to these murderous terrorists. Terrorists are people who create terror by random murder, by killing the innocent: Clearly this is the exact opposite of what Jim Bell advocates. The word terrorist was originally applied primarily to government organizations of terror, most notably the french revolution. You seem to be using the word "terror" to mean "Non government use of force" So by your definition, George Washington was a terrorist, whereas the Stalin and the French Revolutionary tribunal were not terrorists. By your definition of terrorist, there are plenty of advocates of "terrorism" on this mailing list. > If you can find a conspirator > of murder as " highly intelligent, knowledgeable, and overall nice person" then > you also are in need of immediate mental health intervention. or possibly you need to comprehend the difference between governmental decrees and morality. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Marshall McLuhan and encryption...
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Nick's a big shot at Wired magazine. So it should be no surprise > to learn that Wired attacked cypherpunks in its 01 96 issue. In > a fake interview with "Wired's patron saint," Marshall McLuhan is > made to say (p 130): > > Concerns about privacy and anonymity are outdated. Cypherpunks > think they are rebels with a cause, but they are really senti- > mentalists. Well, maybe McL. would have spit such nonsense, very characteristical of him. "The media is the message" is among the biggests con jobs performed on humanity. It's like having a guy dying form thirst and telling him: "The pipe is the beverage"... One fine example of the destruction of reason. If a PGP encrypted message was sent to Mr.McLuhan, could he see if it is a "there is a contract on you..." or "happy new year" or "I love you..." To any Cypherpunks, the media *IS NOT* the message! Dear Wired peoples and Mr. McLuhan: get lost! > The era of politics based on private identities, anonymous indi- > viduals, and independent citizens began with the French Revolution > and Napoleon's armies...and ended with Hitler.... The cypherpunks > are still marching to the same martial music. He is partially right. With Renaissance, came the idea that Reason and human mind were powerfull and that knowledge, because man's only survival tool is reason, is a value to pursue. But french revolution did not convey theses ideas, neither did Napoleon. And Hitler definitely not. All of the three were, ultimately, collectivists or looters. Therefore, the author of the text is guilty of setting up straw man and of context blanking. JFA Reality Is. Existence exists. Words have a precise meaning. $

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Re: C2 and the Worst Case
by an359557＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Are you saying that when someone with an anonymous mailbox on c2.org >retrieves his/her mail via a POP3 connection, no log is made of >the originating IP address? It's even worse than that. The IP address/hostname that connects to c2 shows up when you finger that user on c2! Sameer, can you please change that? An anonymous user don't wanna leave a trail as obvious as an IP address. --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. Please, report inappropriate use to abuse(a)anon.penet.fi For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help(a)anon.penet.fi If you have any problems, address them to admin(a)anon.penet.fi

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Telecoms Bill
by Mark Grant, M.A. (Oxon) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, if "cypherpunks write code", is there any code we should be writing in response to this? Mark

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No Subject
by owner-cypherpunks＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<<"In other words it was stvation/devastation city">> It was lot worse than that on the Japanese-imperialits occupied islands of the Pacific when the Nisei troops choosenot to surrender and instead, mad last-ditch charges against AMerican lines - which killed not a small number of Americans. And of course, there were the suicide bombers. Submarine operations don't cost zero lives, either. In fact, just plain old regular military logistics - keeping the boys mobilized and in place ina theatre of operations - don't cost zero lives, even if there are _no_ hostilities. And while all the starvation and devastation was going on in Japanese cities, the Japanese troops were torturing and murdering Allied POWs, and Asian civilains in all the Japanese-occupied teritories. Those people deserved liberation, too. I think you give your game away when you complain about how we were being unfair to Comrade Stalin. As far as Pax Americana goes, the Japanese just _volunteered_ to_increase_ the payments they make to support the American garrison in Japan. The non-Okinawans want us in their country. I guess they know that the alternative is a Red Chinese garrison. And lots of other Asians are afraid of the same alternative - or of Japanese garrisons in their homeland. THey've "been there, done that". Alan Horowitz alanh(a)norfolk.infi.net

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No Subject
by owner-cypherpunks＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 4 Feb 1996 Pot(a)networking.stanford.edu wrote: > This is not FLAMEpunks. > WHAT??? --and miss all the fun? __________________________________________________________________________ go not unto usenet for advice, for the inhabitants thereof will say: yes, and no, and maybe, and I don't know, and fuck-off. _________________________________________________________________ attila__ To be a ruler of men, you need at least 12 inches.... There is no safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be.

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