December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Reply: "This post is G-Rated"
by Censored Girls Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Nice addition to your .sig! root@heavily.censored.org....(lightly.censored.org coming soon) :) At 11:18 AM 1/25/96 -0800, you wrote: >[This post is classified as G-Rated by Tim May. >I see no agreed-upon labelling convention emerging. Fortunately. > >--Tim May > >Boycott espionage-enabled software! -- Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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by Hroller Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:44 PM 1/25/96 -0800, "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri(a)netcom.com> wrote: >it really bugs me how much cypherpunks try to point out the "gotchas" in all >the laws with crypto. when we become *experts* on these laws, and >tell people why they prevent them from doing various things, we >are actually *supporting* them. It's not often we see an active and overt defense of ignorance. Good work, Vladimir! But to really avoid being contaminated by evil knowledge, I recommend the following 12-step program: 1. Admit that you are powerless to get a clue. Print out this message for reference. 2. Unsubscribe from Cypherpunks, and all other sources of information that might be relevant. 3. Unsubscribe from all sources of information that probably aren't relevant, to avoid hostile agents forcing you into unwitting coercion. 4. Read William S. Burroughs books until you begin to see your neighbors as giant cockroaches and slugs. 4a. In the event that you already see them this way, read Burroughs until they look like something else. 5. Join as many religions as possible, so that you have incompatible memes busily protecting you from facts. <steps 6 through 11 deleted until receipt of a note delivered by the proper techniques, to be beamed into your mind later> 12. Seal your head in a plastic bag until you suffocate. This will protect you from such problems in the future. Hope this helps! Signed, A Friend

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Hey, jdoe-agamemnon! Re: NOISE Test Ignore
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:00 PM 1/26/96 -0800, MAILER-DAEMON(a)alpha.c2.org wrote: >Unknown addressee: jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org > >----- Unsent Message Follows ----- > >Received: by alpha.c2.org for jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org > From stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 26 20:12:47 1996 >Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP > id UAA06971 for <jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org>; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:12:47 -0800 (PST) > Community ConneXion: Privacy & Community: <URL:http://www.c2.org> >Received: from pax-ca11-09.ix.netcom.com by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) > id UAA19713; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:17:46 -0800 >Message-Id: <199601270417.UAA19713(a)ix2.ix.netcom.com> >X-Sender: stewarts(a)popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:17:45 -0800 >To: jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org >From: Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> >Subject: Re: NOISE Test Ignore > >At 09:22 PM 1/25/96 -0800, you wrote: >>Test Test Test >> >> >Well, it got here, jd... >#-- ># Thanks; Bill ># Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 ># ># "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" used to mean us watching ># the government, not the other way around.... > > > #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 # # "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" used to mean us watching # the government, not the other way around....

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Hey, jdoe-agamemnon Re: NOISE Test Ignore
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:00 PM 1/26/96 -0800, MAILER-DAEMON(a)alpha.c2.org wrote: >Unknown addressee: jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org > >----- Unsent Message Follows ----- > >Received: by alpha.c2.org for jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org > From stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 26 20:12:47 1996 >Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP > id UAA06971 for <jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org>; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:12:47 -0800 (PST) > Community ConneXion: Privacy & Community: <URL:http://www.c2.org> >Received: from pax-ca11-09.ix.netcom.com by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) > id UAA19713; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:17:46 -0800 >Message-Id: <199601270417.UAA19713(a)ix2.ix.netcom.com> >X-Sender: stewarts(a)popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:17:45 -0800 >To: jdoe-agamemnon(a)alpha.c2.org >From: Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> >Subject: > >At 09:22 PM 1/25/96 -0800, you wrote: >>Test Test Test >> >> >Well, it got here, jd... >#-- ># Thanks; Bill ># Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 ># ># "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" used to mean us watching ># the government, not the other way around.... > > > #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 # # "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" used to mean us watching # the government, not the other way around....

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Reminder: Jan 28 Bay Area CA meeting, noon - 3 p.m.
by mrm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bay Area California Cypherpunks Meeting January 28 12 noon - 3 p.m. B21, Sparcy's Cafeteria, Sun Microsystems Inc Directions: Take the Rengstorff Ave East exit from 101. If you're driving north on 101, this exit is labeled "Amphitheater Parkway". If you're driving south on 101, this exit is labeled "Rengstorff". At the end of the exit ramp, turn left onto Garcia. After .4 mile, turn right onto Marine Way. After .1 mile, turn right onto Coast. Building 21 is right there. Look for the big purple and white sign. Agenda: Roger Masterton, a producer/videographer, would like to film a discussion among cypherpunks about 1st amendment issues, for a PBS show named "Freedom Speaks." The show airs nationally on PBS. In San Francisco, currently on KMPT Thursdays at 5 p.m., and starting in March, on KQED. Their web site is http://www.fac.org/ There's a lot of 1st amendment issues to talk about these days regarding the internet, and so the first part of the meeting will be gathering topics. There's the first amendment principles of publishing information in digital form, and the fundamental right of people to carry on a private conversation. The discussion will take whatever organic form it takes, depending on who of us can make the meeting ... See you tomorrow if you're coming. I'll bring bagels again. Marianne mrm(a)eng.sun.com mrm(a)netcom.com

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ahem, make that Saturday Jan 27
by mrm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Turns out the darn calendar on my computer goes ahead increments the date field sometime right round midnight. This is what I get for inferring today's date by glancing at the calendar manager, and "adding 1" for tomorrow. The cypherpunks meeting is on Saturday Jan 27. Sorry about that. --Marianne

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by hoppo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hi if you have anything interesting please send thanks,hoppo

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by postmaster＠ncr-sd.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Possible Java hack.
by Steve Gibbons 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In Article: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960127013341.19154Q-100000(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU>, Rich Graves <llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu> wrote: # > [I've CCed this to cypherpunks, as well, I hope that you don't mind.] # Not at all, it was private only because I wasn't totally sure it wasn't a # stupid question. Not at all. I'm worried about similar respnses to my original post given my instable base. :) # > It would be very easy to conceal the "devious" portion of the applet # > inside of trojan horse that ran for a length of time greater than the # > minimum TTL for DNS caching. # Which I believe you will find is platform- and even application-dependent. I don't pretend to understand how every system on the market works, especially those that have "PC" somewhere in their offficial or onufficial name. # If you're talking about Windows NT or 95, for example, the winsock.dll # used by 16-bit applications caches DNS lookups in the TCP/IP stack # itself. I think TTL is listened to. [See the caveat above.] # wsock32.dll, on the other hand, doesn't do central DNS caching. So # applications implement it themselves. I'm not sure that applications even # have an opportunity to see the TTL information in the DNS response. I # doubt there's standard behavior; Netscape, HotJava, and other stuff will # probably time out DNS lookups differently. The thing to remember, with Java is that it's "platform independant" and thus the security of Java as a whole will be the product of its parts. # Real operating systems are probably a bit more standard about what they # do with DNS lookups, but I'm sure there's variance. There is. Actually its "real OS's" that I worry about most. If you run idenmtd, it might be possible for a java applet to determine who invoked it. If fingerd (or any other service) allows and responds to connections from 127.0.0.1 (ie. localhost...) # Still a really interesting idea, though. My first reaction was, well who # the hell controls a DNS server and a Web server and is likely to have a # piece of Java that you are likely to download? And the answer is, just # the kind of person you worry about. I didn't state it explicitly, but that's exactly my point. # This bait & switch thang can really be generalized to any kind of attack. # Of course, it's traceable, since not that many people own or can spoof a # DNS server. Traceable by what? If my assumptions are correct (which I'm willing to admit that they might not be) all the attacker has to spoof is name to address for a name that he/she already controls. I don't expect that most PCs and/or Macintosh's do this as a matter of course. Most firewalls probably do, but I wouldn't count on it. -- Steve(a)AZTech.Net

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Re: Crippled Notes export encryption
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 19:34 1/24/96, Derek Atkins wrote: >If I have a function that does something like this: > >authenticate (args) >{ > ... > > des_encrypt (); > ... >} > >I would have to remove the des_encrypt() call from the authenticate() >routine before it can be exported... What if you replaced it by rot_13 () ? Surely, they can't ban that. And someone later could just swap all rot_13 () for des_encrypt () -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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