December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: ADDRESS DATABASE?
by andr0id＠midwest.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Not. As of 12/1/95, the FCC requires all cellular carriers (and IXCs for >that matter) to transmit ANI & CLID information, even on cellular calls. >BellSouth thoughtfully put a notice in my last two monthly bills, but then >again I think the FCC required that too. > >-Paul At least I know that my cellular carrier is safe for now. The phone company in our area still can't handle ANI from the cellular switch. The default number for our carrier ends in 0000 which happens to be my number. I get calls every month from people with 800 numbers verifying what number this was. I have to explain that someone from our cellular system made a call to their number but the bill defaults to mine. Its no big deal since I work for the cellular carrier though. ;) Dr0id

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INT_mes
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The WP, Dec 15, 1995: Internet Mess: Return to Sender [Editorial] The negotiations between House and Senate conferees on the restriction of pornography in cyberspace have gone from bad to worse. A tentative accommodation arrived at last night, which the conferees must still vote to accept or kill, combines some of the worst of a broad array of misguided restrictions on speech, none of them likely to protect children. INT_mes Digital claims that its new crawler called Alta Vista, can find data on the World Wide Web at speeds of up to 100 times faster than currently popular crawlers from Yahoo Corp., Open Text Corp. or Lycos Inc.

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Re: e$: Seven Days
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:36 AM 12/16/95, Timothy C. May wrote: >By the way, in honor of the "geodesic network" and "geodesic payment >systems," and the geodesic dome the party was in, I propose we rename "e$" >with a more fitting name: "buckybucks." Or just "buckys" for short. ("Did >you remember to replenish the buckybits?") Snoop Bucky Bucks? Sounds like a Cyberdog part to me... <ducking many tomatoes> Maybe not... Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA (617) 958-3971 "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The NEW(!) e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/ >>>>Phree Phil: Email: zldf(a)clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf <<<<<

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Apology...
by mphillips＠CCTR.UMKC.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To all concerned: I, have recieved SEVERAL messages regaurding a post that was sent to this newsgroup. I am apologizing for such a mistaken address and post. Please accept my sincere apology and believe me when I say that I have NEVER meant to offend anyone. This was a situation that WE have taken care of HERE and I hope never happens again. Again, please accept my apology and I hope we can consider this subject closed.

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Re: "Strongly Voluntary" Key Escrow
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:10 12/15/95 -0500, Jim Ray wrote: >"Government Key Certification" might be an OK compromise-term compared >to "key escrow," but we should [IMNSHO] continue to stick to "GAK." As >you know, I prefered the term "FUCKED," but now we must be "decent" in >our communications. <sigh> I suggest Forced Key Deposit (FKD) (when some non-governmental entity e.g. an employer forces you to send copies of your keys to some depository), and Voluntary Key Deposit (VKD), when you chose to deposit a copy of your key with some third party. I love the way GAK sounds, so I support it even the whole concept is really FUCKED. Whenever I hear, "Government Key Certification", I think of digital signatures, not communication privacy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Pornographic stories
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jadestar(a)netcom.com (JaDe) writes: > > > > Daniel Miskell <DMiskell(a)envirolink.org> writes: > >>>I'm sure. > > > I too fail to see the cryptorelevance of this thread... Unless > > alt.sex.stories is used for steganography... Alice wants to send a > > secret message to Bob, so she posts a porn story to alt.sex.stories, > > where the key phrase is "That was the best sex I've ever had", which > > sounds like a mild hyperbole to most people; > > I like the stegonography angle. However I'd encode the > actual message contents into the typos. Filter out the > typos to retrieve your crypto-text. Wouldn't text with a lot of typoes look suspicious? For ultimate silliness, I've put together the following program to encode 8 bits at a time in an R-rated sentence: #include <stdio.h> #define BIT(c,n) ((c>>n)&1) const char*bits[]={ "Senator Exon", "L.Ron Hubbard", "made passionate love to", "had great sex with", "Hillary Klinton", "J.D.Falk", "experienced", "gave her", "six", "twelve", "in", "during", "one", "a single", "night", "weekend"}; void stegaporn(int c) { printf("%s %s %s and %s %s orgasms %s %s %s. ", bits[BIT(c,7)], bits[2+BIT(c,6)], bits[4+BIT(c,5)], bits[6+BIT(c,4)], bits[8+BIT(c,3)], bits[10+BIT(c,2)], bits[12+BIT(c,1)], bits[14+BIT(c,0)]); } int main(void) { int c; while (EOF!=(c=getchar())) stegaporn(c); return(0); } > Ultimately I think that the whole issue of legal cryptography > actually boils down to this: > > If you illegalize strong crypto than criminals will > simply resort to steganography and "hidden" channels > of communication (in which they can also embed/tunnel > the crypto-text of their strongly encrypted data). > > Therefore all you've done is create a lesser crime > for the real criminals and make people with valid > (non-criminal) uses of the technology into criminals. > > Unfortunately this reasoning doesn't help at all with our > (U.S.) legislature. There is some hidden aggenda as to > why "they" really want strong cryptography to be difficult > for the average user to obtain. I have a uniquely hard time > believing that "they" are merely concerned that "we" might > be pursuing simple privacy (even if cryptography were already > illegal I could use it for years and never get "caught." > so long as I was using non-broadcast channels and communicating > with "trusted" associates (fellow "crypto-criminals") > > In fact I've suggested to several people that we start > a dial-up uucp revival for this and related reasons. (If > the number of users/webpages and the bandwidth usage continues > to increase at the recent rates -- without a corresponding > improvement in the infrastructure we'll probably all want to > go back to uucp for mail and news anyway. Old fashioned dial-up > may be faster than T1 access in a few years and direct point-to- > point uucp over ISDN is probably faster already. > > So: > > What is the "real" reason for opposition to > strong crypto? Who "really" benefits? (and please > don't mention the LE types 'cause I don't believe it). > > and: > Anyone else want to participate in the great '90's > uucp revival? I'm in Santa Clara and could use > some feeds and some help with the setup. I'm all for it. My site is connected to the rest of the world via dial-up UUCP, I haven't touched the setup in 5 years, and am not planning to. It might be interesting to have a variation of dial-up UUCP where site 1 passes encrypted stuff to site 2 and doesn't quite know what site 3 they're supposed to go on to. Sort of like the remailers with encryption. --- Dr. Dimitri Vulis Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: ADDRESS DATABASE?
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"jpp(a)software.net" "John Pettitt" 14-DEC-1995 16:34:23.37 >On the name database side the PO runs somthing called National Change of Address which tracks who moved where and allows direct marketing companys to clean their lists. Almost everybody sells address change data (utilities, the PO, credit companys) - I'm getting tons of "welcome to the neighbourhood" mail since I moved. -------------- The basic method for getting around this is to have the mail forwarded to a post office box. They still know you've moved, but not to where, and the connection between your physical location (for stuff like gas bills, etcetera) and the name & address that they did have is loosened. -Allen

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QUERY: e-politics mailing list
by gibo＠ripco.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone know of a mailing list organized around political issues regarding electronic networks, virtual community, the changing roles of the city and the corporation, and especially issues of class in a "wired" world? Much thanx, pls pardon the spam. PS - be careful about replying to all recipients - this message went to a couple different lists. =========================================>>>http://pages.ripco.com/~gibo "I drink coffee for taste only. You just can't make coffee strong enough to compete with pharmaceutical speed, so fuck it." -- Dave Fischer

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NET - HLR on highway privacy (fwd)
by Jon Lasser 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I hadn't seen this cross the list yet... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Lasser <jlasser(a)rwd.goucher.edu> (410)494-3072 Visit my home page at http://www.goucher.edu/~jlasser/ You have a friend at the NSA: Big Brother is watching. Finger for PGP key. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 05:59:53 -0600 From: FringeWare Daily <email(a)fringeware.com> Subject: NET - HLR on highway privacy Sent from: hlr(a)well.com (Howard Rheingold) We Need Privacy Protection On Intelligent Highways -- By Howard Rheingold Ominous steps have been taken recently, steps that perhaps move us all closer to a global surveillance state, but few people are aware of them. Governments around the world are installing "intelligent highways," whose snooping capabilities ought to concern every driver. I recently remarked to my friend Peter, as he drove me around Geneva, that he is scrupulous about obeying the speed limit. He told me in reply that he had on a previous occasion received in his mailbox an envelope containing a photograph of his automobile, the radar detector readout superimposed, along with a notice of his fine. On key Swiss roads, radar detectors automatically videotape speeders, computers automatically recognize the license plate number, check it against a database, and issue mail to the home address of the owner. It happens in Japan, too, and more and more locations around the world.. If my Swiss friend had not told me that story, the hair on the back of neck would not have started to stand up when I read, the next day, in the October 9, 1995 edition of the International Herald Tribune, that Kansas became the tenth state to adopt electronic toll collection. Electronic transponders installed in vehicles automatically communicate with toll collecting machinery via radio, and tolls are automatically deducted from the driver's account. The following day, October 10, the same newspaper reported that Singapore had announced contracts to wire up the road system of the entire city-state. Singapore, never known as a bastion of civil liberties, will be able to track the location of every vehicle, and identify most drivers, on a minute-by-minute basis. A government and private industry initiative now underway proposes multibillion dollar investments in "Intelligent Vehicle Highway Systems" (IVHS) in the US. These systems, combining massive numbers of embedded sensors, video cameras, chips embedded in vehicles, and even satellite global positioning signals, are now under construction in every industrialized country. IVHS promise greater convenience and perhaps safety by monitoring highway traffic, routing around jams, and automatically collecting tolls. If these systems are not designed with the privacy of citizens in mind, however, we might be buying a heap of surveillance capabilities for future secret police. This is a technology policy issue where informed groups of citizens can have an impact if we act now. It isn't a matter of banning the technology. It's a matter of making sure today that these systems are designed with the privacy of future citizens in mind. One of the best sources of information about the social impact of IVHS comes from Professor Phil Agre at the University of California, San Diego. Agre stated recently: "Society may decide that it wishes to provide law enforment with generalized abilities to track citizens' movements, but this would clearly be a grave decision - one that should be discussed well in advance rather than building the technical capabilities into ITS systems with virtually no public discussion." There is a technical fix, however. Encryption techniques make it possible to transmit account information from an automobile without disclosing the identity of the owner. However, it is critically important that the early majority of transponder manufacturers build encryption capabilities into their devices. Making privacy a standard will work far better than attempts at legislative regulation after the market has settled on a standard. Agre's reports can be found on the Web at http://communication.ucsd.edu/pagre/rre.html. To access his whimsically-named but extremely useful "Red Rock Eater News Service," via e-mail send a message to rre-request(a)weber.ucsd.edu, Subject: archive help. We still have time to do something about this one. We need to ask manufacturers now to consider the importance of building privacy protection into their technology. I support Agre's statement that "People need to use roads to participate in the full range of associations (educational, political, social, religious, labor, charitable, etc) that make up a free society. If we turn the roads into a zone of total surveillance then we chill that fundamental right and undermine the very foundation of freedom." END

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Motorola Secure Phone
by dan＠milliways.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw a new cordless phone made by Motorola in a retail outlet today that is supposedly "Secure from eavesdroppers." I asked the salespeople for more technical info, but they weren't very helpful. Does anyone have any information on this? I didn't notice any "Not for Export" stickers on the box, and the ITAR does cover spread-spectrum technology. So is it analog or digital? Is it just doing simple analog tricks, or is it encrypting a bitstream? Clipper maybe? I doubt it. Any info appreciated. Dan *************************************************************** #define private public dan(a)milliways.org Worcester Polytechnic Institute and The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ***************************************************************

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