December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Toad Sex
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The oldest and most trustworthy way to crack crypto -- and a cryptologist -- is sex, regularly employed by royalty and traitors, tyrants and anarchists, governments and bandits, warfighters and jealous lovers, spouses and businesses, and whatever other position/opposition pleasures and betrays. If you have a security system that does not protect against it you're really fucked. Just who is doing what to who in "Takedown" constitutes its shameless Hollywoodian prurience, as it was in Littman, Clancy, Vinge, Tolstoy, the Bible, the Koran, the Kama Sutra, any indecent Exon-prohibition of your dreams. Shimomura, Markoff, Mitnick -- are the games of seductive illusion they're playing so different from vaunted cryptography of the ever-randy, coy/decoy Net? Has nobody ever blurted their password in the throes of passionate words? Imagine Toad Hall and what was up in the hot tub.

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The cost of victory?
by Marc J. Wohler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anyone care to estimate the *true cost* to PRZ for this victory? Haven't the bad guys made their point? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMPWtdGeikzgqLB7pAQHGfAQAifBSfY7fSLccdhpdWnNSW/prMdKyPaRF XqEHfc9L+g2rYggYxWFXAZYBef2UjX8sQV6IZG7YN4wIT2IlifYa9GO0xVXC5LiC Diu0GPgXD6mg2WInfhzedCQNOfby+LF+oEo04whvz1dkMjo8ntEsczjY82VRYBh1 wUmdZyBsVNE= =RHPc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ***Preserve, Protect and Defend the private use of Strong Crypto*** * * * PGP for the masses * * * Finger mjwohler(a)netcom.com for Marc Wohler's public key fingerprint= F1 70 23 13 91 B5 10 63 0F CF 33 AD BE E6 7B B6

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Re: Shimomura on TV?
by Michael C. Peponis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Has anyone heard anything else about this? I am getting real sick of the > media's portrayal of the internet. They never say anything good about it. If > they were to mention C2's system they would say how it is a no-rules server > to hide thugs and pornos from the police. I am getting sick of watching this > trash. The whole realm of the internet and computers and their associated > areas are very dear to me I am sick of the media bludgeoning them to death. Douglas, Why let it bother you? You must understand that the majority of the population of the United States is working class trash, the news media is just peddeling to the masses, just like the morons that hold elected office. They can keep up the bitching, but that's a good thing, I encourage the spread of this kind of disinformation, it keeps even more of the masses from getting on for fear of being offenced. Regards, Michael Peponis PGP Key Avalible form MIT Key Server,or via finger

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C2 and the Worst Case
by Bruce Baugh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- First off, this is _not_ a criticism - c2.org provides wonderful services, and I'm budgeting to buy more from them. However, I'm curious. Consider a reasonably worst case, in which ye jack-booted thugges come through the door unannounced, scoop up everything, and haul it off for examination. The question is, how much would they get? How much information about c2 users would fall into the wrong hands? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEPAwUBMPSLo33AXR8sjiylAQEHOgfPQyULO5Ni/4VCZPo8PNLbURy7bgkMG7aw UWeorZr95e8kFA3JA6VxCpmgRmStpeX78ZcN9a35Z0lguRF5+VNddzQYv/ydZxtg u5HP2stit9PG8fyP0SEGrxEVpnbwchOxtUxhuxJ7CZsZfMGWKi6EtXrQ5LhNGSCZ isoShwOXse5/XLHY3JzcrjbSa6PDHxmpwhYbkk8tyi8jQWFDDc+HbncgaC4FZL4V 2tntjx3HPe9Hy92v24K59UnzIpudVqF8f1jX6Z+m7lLzStARkNZwliRjL6pIz8G7 fz2uSXrgbAMVIkK6g9DOP3A48prob7LFnPZmEw4J6gF4fA== =+ZDY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Bruce Baugh bruceab(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~bruceab

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No Subject
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The other day I was poking around lists of open NNTP servers, and came across something odd at llyene.jpl.nasa.gov . It appears that nothing has ever been expired there. Some groups had hundreds of thousands of messages. This might be interesting and useful for some purposes. Anyone know if that's where Dave Hayes does his amazing administrative thing?

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Re: E-cash and Interest
by loki＠obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:52 PM 1/11/96, Ryan Lackey wrote: <SNIP> >By integrating all of these services under Mark Twain Bank Ecash Mint, I >would get all of the advantages of a rather pricey bank, 4-5% loss on all >my deposits, minimal privacy protection, no FDIC protection, $2500 ^^^^^ >initial deposit (not a problem for me, but it does keep many of the >people I'd like to send money to out of the system..always a feature), >and _tens_ of places to spend my ecash, only 4 or 5 of which that really >sell things. > Where do people keep getting this number. I have an account, my initial deposit was $36 ($11 for startup and $25 to play with). >-- >Ryan Lackey -*- ryan(a)pobox.com -*- http://www.netaxs.com/people/ryan/ -Lance ---------------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell loki(a)obscura.com PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. Mixmaster, the next generation remailer, is now available! http://obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html or FTP to obscura.com "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche ----------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Zimmermann case is dropped.
by Frank Stuart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since there is no longer an ongoing investigation, perhaps now would be a good time to file FOIA requests to see if there is evidence of the Justice Department acting improperly. | (Douglas) Hofstadter's Law: Frank Stuart | It always takes longer than you expect, even fstuart(a)vetmed.auburn.edu | when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.

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Re:NSA
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMPVGgyoZzwIn1bdtAQG/1wGAwFELRklL0jv58QWSXMg8Z+OUNPX1OtXJ UaI51iIBh2IjH1hggHtyMUi1B6xrlbmo =h/+n -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Domains, InterNIC, and PGP (and physical locations of hosts, to boot)
by tim＠dierks.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:00 AM 1/10/96, Bill Stewart wrote: >At 11:15 PM 1/6/96 -0500, Michael Handler <grendel(a)netaxs.com> wrote: >> ftp://ds.internic.net/rfc/rfc1876.txt >>Again, I'm not too sure of the viability of this proposal. Not on >>effectiveness of proving true location -- it is more geared toward >>"visual 3-D packet tracing" -- but simply because I have _no_ fricking >>idea where our machines are (in terms of lat and long) to any degree >>of accuracy. > >There are several geography servers on the net, which can tell you >the lat/long for a city (more useful if your city is, say, >Holmdel NJ than if it's Los Angeles.) For what it's worth, you can use the mapping software at <http://tiger.census.gov> to find your location fairly accurately; you may need another map to locate yourself, since the streets are unlabeled. I managed to figure out that I'm currently at latitude 37.3435 degrees, longitude -121.8925 degrees. I think that's correct to within about 100 feet or so. - Tim Anyone with a GPS device, feel free to stop by; I'm in unit A2, and I've got homebrew in the fridge. Tim Dierks - Software Haruspex - tim(a)dierks.org If you can't lick 'em, stick 'em on with a big piece of tape. - Negativland

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E-cash and Interest
by Frank O. Trotter, III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Once the Ecash Mint and the account (in our case the WorldCurrency Access account - others will be different) are merged, the balance you hold in the Mint may be able to earn interest. Like an individual, the amount of interest offered will involve a cost benefit relationship based on cost of funds, regulation, and operational costs, but there should be no obvious reason not to pay something in most curencies. One note, under US banking regulation, "transaction accounts" fall under different rules than money market accounts, savings accounts, and NOW accounts. Depending on the exact functionality desired, and future regulation changes, there will be more or less incentive and/or legal ability to pay interest. Given the current functionality of Ecash there will be little incentive to hold balances on your hard drive once interest is available. It is just too easy to move the money down when you need it. Today there is no specific cost incentive between the Mint and your hard drive. It does not take a long leap to see that when the account and the Mint are merged, that since the Mint _is_ the account, PC/Internet banking, debit and all other regular banking functionality can become immediately integrated! Frank Trotter ftrotter(a)marktwain.com Opinions expressed are my own.... > On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Tim Philp wrote: > > > With the E-cash systems that I have seen, you generate your own E-cash > > and have it signed by a 'bank' At that moment, it becomes like cash in > > your wallet and you loose interest that this money could be earning. > > >From the standpoint of monetary economics, this is correct. The (ecash) > bank has the right to use your deposits to give out loans. When you > withdraw your money (and turn it into either cash or ecash) they (the > bank) no longer have the right to turn your deposits into loans. > Withdrawn cash/ecash can not earn interest. > > This is the problem of (e)cash: if you have it on hand you _must_ forgo > any interest earnings. Theoretically, the optimum holding of (e)cash is a > function of interest rate (the greater the interest rate, the less cash on > hand), transaction cost of making withdrawals (the easier and more > convenient the withdrawals, the less cash on hand), and the "providence > value" of cash (the more you value instant gratification, the more cash on > hand). > > Thats why ATM machines have caused us to hold less cash. We can now keep > money in the bank (letting it earn interest and letting the bank create > loans with it) and withdraw from ATM terminals only when we need it. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Patiwat Panurach Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. > eMAIL: pati(a)ipied.tu.ac.th Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. > m/18 junior Fac of Economics -Johann W.Von Goethe > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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