December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: \"Concryption\"
by Marshall Clow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A little birdie (anonymous(a)freezone.remailer) said: >Does anyone understand what this "Concryption" really is? Reading the >press blurbs, it could be nothing more than simply compressing the >stream before encrypting it. A patent on that idea would be rather >awkward. > I doubt that it could be awkward, given that my employer, Aladdin Systems, has been shipping a software package that implements this since 1986. :-) -- Marshall Marshall Clow Aladdin Systems <mailto:mclow@mailhost2.csusm.edu> "Eternal vigilance is the price of PostScript" -- MacUser Jan 96 DTP and Graphics column

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Double Messages from Ed Carp
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:49 AM 1/5/96, Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin] wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Ed, I've pointed out to you during our mini-flame war that I've been getting >> 4 copies of your every e-mail: 2 via the cpunks list, 2 directly from your >> box cc:'d to me. You _know_ that I've been getting 2 copies of cc:'s not >> passing through toad.com, that the problem is at your end, and not at >>toad.com, >> and you should _not_ send test posts to cypherpunks. > >The problem is *not* at my end, your ignorance is showing. If it were, >then everyone would be getting 2 copies of everything I send, and that's >simply not true. Some people are getting two copies, but some are only >getting one copy. I have also been getting two copies of most or all of your messages, at least for the past few weeks (since you became active on the list again, I think). I have not been complaining, just deleting the extra copies. In looking at the detailed headers of a pair of such duplicates I see that there may have been some kind of "fork" (not a technical term, just a description) where the two messages (called Blue and Red) differ as follows: Blue Message: Received: from dal1820.computek.net by toad.com id AA01149; Thu, 4 Jan 96 16:49:35 PST Received: (from erc@localhost) by dal1820.computek.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id SAA19801; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:49:29 -0600 Red Message: Received: from dal1820.computek.net by toad.com id AA01148; Thu, 4 Jan 96 16:49:36 PST Received: (from erc@localhost) by dal1820.computek.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id SAA19801; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:49:29 -0600 Only a one-second difference, but the difference grows in later headers. The point is that there were already two slightly difference versions of the message before toad.com was reached. Other subtle differences exist, too. For example: Blue Message: X-UIDL: 820809984.020 Red Message: X-UIDL: 820809984.018 I don't even know what X-UIDL is, but this is a notable difference between the two versions. I suggest you carefully examine the full headers and go from there. It appears that toad.com is only sending two messages because it _received_ two messages. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Apologies for my absense
by Jonathan Zamick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry I've been so absent from the list recently. I've been variously flying back and forth to different conferences, working on putting new things together for RSAREF, and finally going on a much needed vacation (I'm feeling much better now.) Actually, after recovering from blood loss from the hoards of mosquitos which greeted me at the airport, I've finally gotten ready to wade through my Cpunk backlogs. Some news: 1. Come to the RSAREF conference, and say hi at the Consensus booth. Its rumored I'll be wearing a white shirt 2 of the 3 days and maybe a jacket, while wearing a tie and boxers one one of the days. (The tie is a bit unusual I have to admit.) You all gave me a number of nifty wishlists when I stuck the option out there before and I think life is good. I can't tell you about it now, or at least I'm not going to because suspense is fun. However, in seriousness stop by. We'll have at least 3 major announcements to make which will be of moderate interest to y'all. Besides, I'm spending the next two weeks panicking about the booth and will need some peer support once I collapse. (We just wanted a room for an hour to get a little roundtable.) 2. Please give some comment on our RSAREF web pages. I've just started pouring some info into them to answer questions people have about the licensing and such. If there are questions you have that aren't answered, let me know. (If the question is, where do I send my flame... you don't really need me to answer do you? :) Anyway, who else is going to be at the conference? (Also who is going to be at MacWorld?) Lastly, I'd like to plan a Cpunk party. I'm thinking about March 15th perhaps in the Berkeley area. Its going to be a Sake party, in the Takara Sake factory, so we can be really droll and mix the Cyber/Cypher punk motif. :) That sound like a good night? Any major conferences causing a problem? Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ..Jonathan Zamick Consensus Development Corporation.. ..<JonathanZ(a)consensus.com> 1563 Solano Ave, #355.. .. Berkeley, CA 94707-2116.. .. o510/559-1500 f510/559-1505.. ..Mosaic/WWW Home Page: .. .. Consensus Home Page ..

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Re: Concription [NOISE]
by Corey Minter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

anonymous(a)freezone.remailer wrote: > Does anyone understand what this "Concryption" really is? Reading the > press blurbs, it could be nothing more than simply compressing the > stream before encrypting it. A patent on that idea would be rather > awkward. if there is nothing more to concription, then it sounds like a bogus patent since PGP documents and implements the technique already. Maybe it would make a nice trademark though. Does anyone know if macaroni and cheese combined in one meal is patented? If not, maybe I can go out and patent it. :) -- ______________________________________________________________________ Corey Minter | cminter(a)mipos2.intel.com | (408) 765-1714

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Net Censorship Story on All Things Considered
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This evening I heard a story on Internet censorship on All Things Considered. They said that Compuserve was close to deploying technology to keep only Germans out of the 200 news groups. (Compuserve and the Germans still disagree about where the list came from.) They also interviewed Denise Curaso (sp?) who provided some reality about the how censorship could quickly move to political views that certain countries don't like and how a Compuserve user could easly bypass Compuserve censorship. The story ended with the comment that in the past, many net people have said that since the Internet was designed to survive atomic war, the net would just bypass around censorship, but between the Germans and Exon, fewer of them are saying it now. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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COMMUNITY CONNEXION ANNOUNCES PROMOTION FOR UNCENSORED ACCESS TO THE INTERNET
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Newsgroups: alt.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk,news.admin.censorship,alt.privacy,comp.privacy Subject: COMMUNITY CONNEXION ANNOUNCES PROMOTION FOR UNCENSORED ACCESS TO THE INTERNET From: Community ConneXion <admin(a)c2.org> For Immediate Release - January 4, 1996 Contact: Sameer Parekh 510-601-9777x3 COMMUNITY CONNEXION ANNOUNCES PROMOTION FOR UNCENSORED ACCESS TO THE INTERNET Berkeley, CA - In response to recent restrictions on Usenet material made available to CompuServe customers, Community ConneXion, an Internet privacy provider, today announced that has begun a promotion to offer uncensored access to Usenet newsgroups at a discount to users who have experienced censorship at the hands of their Internet service provider, employer, or university. "'The Internet views censorship as damage, and routes around it,'" said Community ConneXion President Sameer Parekh, quoting a famous saying on the net, "While a network provider, university, or employer may want to limit the access their customers, students, or employees may have to potentially controversial material on the Internet, people need to realize that it is still possible for them to access controversial material through alternative means. We're making available services to make this fact obvious." Community ConneXion offers full Internet access to its customers, with no content-based restrictions on materials its customers may read or make available on the Internet. Community ConneXion has made available one free month of service to users signing up for services with Community ConneXion who are doing so in order to avoid content- based restrictions instituted by their net provider, university, or employer. Customers who would like to take advantage of Community ConneXion's uncensored access may continue to use their current provider for their basic access, but to access the previously-unavailable materials they may proxy through to the Community ConneXion servers. Parekh commented on the ease with which people can bypass censorship instituted by their provider or employer, "Providers, employers, and universities may think that they are restricting access through their sites, but given the ease with which people can set up an account with us, the organizations trying to restrict access will soon realize that censorship is hopeless." Community ConneXion, founded in June of 1994, is the leading provider of privacy on the Internet. They provide anonymous and pseudonymous Internet access and web pages in addition to powerful web service, virtual hosts, and web design consultation. Information is available from their web pages at http://www.c2.org/. More information on the uncensored promotion is available at http://www.c2.org/uncensored/.

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Re: FreeBSD
by Daniel C. Cotey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was wondering if anyone else with pine observed wierd behaviour when reading that message. My pine exported the file, started a message, then fired up a shell, at which point I killed it before anything else happened. --- --- Daniel Cotey dccotey(a)serf.uccs.edu

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Representations of Pi, etc.
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:39 AM 1/5/96 +1100, you wrote: >> The decimal representation of any irrational number (e.g. pi, e) >> contains the decimal representation of every natural number >> somewhere. (Proof by diagonalization.) >What you say here isn't quite true. Right. But BTW, isn't it interesting, that news item from a few weeks ago, on an algorithm for determining individual bits in Pi, regardless of whether you've calculated all the previous ones. Only problem is, it only works in hexadecimal (and, obviously, binary, etc, not decimal.

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Forcible Concryption of Data
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>anonymous(a)freezone.remailer wrote: >> Does anyone understand what this "Concryption" really is? Reading the >> press blurbs, it could be nothing more than simply compressing the >> stream before encrypting it. A patent on that idea would be rather >> awkward. "Concryption" is the process by which your secret data gets enlisted in service to the government, as with Clipper and GAK. The original term when people got pressed into military service was "conscription," but times change. Thus, one might say, "My secrets have been concrypted--the government now has them." (After all, why do you think so many software releases are called "drafts"?) --Klaus! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Double Messages from Ed Carp
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:19 PM 1/4/96 -0800, Tim May wrote: >In looking at the detailed headers of a pair of such duplicates I see that >there may have been some kind of "fork" (not a technical term, just a >description) where the two messages (called Blue and Red) differ as >follows: > [Weirdness deleted] I am seeing the duplicates with another user as well. Received: (from lastxit@localhost) by arrakis.alphachannel.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA10251; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:52:35 -0600 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: "Marc Martinez" <lastxit(a)alphachannel.com> In-Reply-To: master(a)internexus.net's message of 3 Jan 1996 13:44:30 -0500 Subject: Re: 2047 bit keys in PGP Received: (from lastxit@localhost) by arrakis.alphachannel.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA10237; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:50:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:50:10 -0600 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: "Marc Martinez" <lastxit(a)alphachannel.com> In-Reply-To: master(a)internexus.net's message of 3 Jan 1996 13:44:30 -0500 This might be an isolated problem with this user or someplace between here and there is duping mail messages... I thought there were more but it turned out to be a bunch of messages I was cc:ed on and it got caught in the filter. Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "Governments are potholes on the Information Superhighway." - Not TCMay

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