December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

[NOISE] Fun quote
by Charles Gimon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just heard on tonight's "X-Files"... "The NSA?? Since when did they start issuing you guys piano wire instead of guns??" I can hear the clatter of .sig files being updated all over the net.

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Re: A "Warning Banner" for Netscape Navigator? Good idea!
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's been a long and interesting day... >Pull down the 'Options' menu, grab the 'Window and Link styles' >page, and change the default "home page location" from >netscape's to whatever you want. Oh. *Those* advertisements! I couldn't for the life of me figure out *what* Tim was talking about. I've made mine come up blank since the initial, "Hey, what do these twiddly bits in the Preferences command do...", session after the first download. You can also put up a type-it-yourself URL window on the browser window, which comes in handy now that you have to wait 10 seconds (on my dinky PB 180) every time you change code modules in 2.0b3 Netscape (like touching<!> the menu bar for the first time, or looking at the bookmark window)... Like I've said elsewhere, Netscape is hierarchical code trying to conquer a geodesic (a word I got from Bucky Fuller, through Peter Huber, just so I keep my attributions straight...) network. It ain't gonna fly, in the long run, folks. In that vein, could someone e-mail me the best non-netscape Mac browser, so I don't get HTML-nasties when I go play on the cactus machine? Anyway... Dave Winer(sp?), the Mac-Developer-turned-gadfly (speak not ill of the other gadflies, I always say...), talks about seeing some Netscape (sorry...) patches which actually *do* strip banner ads from various web-pages. I believe you have to tell it which pages, and what the banners' file names are, but I'm not sure. Don't know where *Weiner(sp?)* got it from... I seem to remember the name "Ad Stripper" but I could be imagining things... Of course, if that's the way this code really operates, simply changing the name of the HREF call regularly on the server side, which is probably done anyway, with all the web-management code showing up out there, defeats ad-filters of this kind completely... Obcrypto: Maybe these web-pages will send you nanocash (not mine, either, sorry, taken from one of the wearable-people at mobileworld, I'll look up their name, and get back to you. soon. I promise.) to watch their message? Also, could someone talk here about how easy it might be to spoof Java "byte code"? The Java presentation at this conference had a lot of hand-waving and reverent invocation of Whit Diffie's name, so it might not be trivial. Another feature of this presentation was a really splendid "subjective axis" chart showing how "powerful" Java is in comparison to say, client-server, HTML, and other "technologies". This chart reminded me for all the world of the famous "Pravda Charts" that Tufte likes to lampoon in "The Graphical Representation of Quantitative Information". Just so I keep my sources straight. Of course. To quote Prof. Tufte. "If it looks like a duck, ignore it." Or something to that effect. Maybe the word "waddle" was in the sentence. Maybe he got it from someone else... I'll get back to you on that. I really will... ;-). Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA (617) 958-3971 "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The NEW(!) e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/ >>>>Phree Phil: Email: zldf(a)clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf <<<<<

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Re: Barring access to Netscape
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:32 AM 12/1/95 +0600, Ed Carp wrote: >If you want to bar access to your site from a Netscape browser, such >can easily be accomplished. If memory serves, every browser, when >connecting to a site, exchanges certain information about the client >with the server. One can gain access easily to that information. This would not be satisfactory in itself: Ideally one would like to bring up a page saying "Sorry, you cannot access that page because you are using a netscape browser: Click *here* for the sad tale of Netscape. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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update.250 (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message:

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unwanted AIP mail?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone else suddenly start hearing from these folks? > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:44:34 EST > From: physnews(a)aip.org (AIP listserver) > Message-Id: <9512011944.AA12171(a)aip.org> > To: physnews-mailing(a)aip.org > Subject: update.250 > X-UIDL: 817946091.001 > > PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE > The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News > Number 250 December 1, 1995 by Phillip F. Schewe and Ben > Stein > > TWO-BIT QUANTUM LOGIC GATES have been experimentally {...}

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Info on Netscape's key escrow position
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"jsw(a)netscape.com" "Jeff Weinstein" 2-DEC-1995 02:26:13.63 I had lunch with Jim Clark today, and explained the furor that was currently going on in cypherpunks and elsewhere. After lunch he sent me the e-mail that I've attached below to pass along. I think the gist of it is that if governments require key escrow, we will have to do it in order to sell our products with encryption into those countries. > If we as a company were to take the position that in no case will we allow > a government to get access to our encrypted messages, or refuse to allow > key escrow with our products, the governments of the world will quickly put > us out of business by outlawing the sale of our products in their countries. > The fundamental issue is how do we accommodate the requirements of > governments, while protecting our rights as citizens. > > None of this represents the position of Netscape with respect to what we > will do. But if we do not come up with a solution to this problem that is > acceptable to each government, we will not be able to export our products, > except with a short key length (e.g. 40 bit keys), and that will not be > acceptable to corporate customers in other countries. They will create their > own solution, and we will not be able to sell to a larger world market. In > fact, we could even be ordered by our own government to establish a key > escrow system for its use inside the US. ---------------------- I believe that the central question at hand is whether Netscape will incorporate mandatory GAK into any of its products if you have an economic (governmental purchase) rather than physical (governmental threat of violence) reason to do so. I would hope that the upcoming statement will clarify this position, and in the proper direction. -Allen

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Re: y2k as ideological opportunity.
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>[IRS collection mechanism collapses due to y2k problem] If such a thing actually happened, I strongly suspect they'd activate the contingency plan that was developed to maintain tax collection after nuclear war; a flat 20% sales tax, collected (I think) by surviving Post Office employees. Come to think of it, that might be better than what we have now.... Peter Trei trei(a)process.com Peter Trei Senior Software Engineer Purveyor Development Team Process Software Corporation http://www.process.com trei(a)process.com

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Re: y2k as ideological opportunity.
by Chip Mefford 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>[IRS collection mechanism collapses due to y2k problem] > >If such a thing actually happened, I strongly suspect they'd >activate the contingency plan that was developed to maintain >tax collection after nuclear war; a flat 20% sales tax, >collected (I think) by surviving Post Office employees. > >Come to think of it, that might be better than what we have >now.... > > Naw, its gonna be real simple and clean. The bid goes out, Billgatus of Borg brings in a crapload of DEC/NT partner machines, puts 500 programmers on porting the tasking and data to Office 98, retrains the IRS on Office, Slides right past Oct 1999 without a hitch, you bring up M$ money on yer desktop and yer Fed Tax Check goes straight to Redmond, who in turn pays out a percentage to their new partners, the Fed. The US of MS, hahahahaha luv chipper Zz zZ |\ z _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' _ ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'_' '---''(_/--' `-'\_)

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Re: GAK, Netscape, CyberDog, and you.
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bob, Please stop this habit of cross-posting to every mailing list; 999 times out of a thousand the resultant discussion helps neither list. And my god, five lists this time, at least some of which have over a thousand readers? NB: Followups redirected. /r$

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