December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: Net Control is Thought Control
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 13:34 1/10/96 -0500, Pete Loshin wrote: >... [The] Hayes board of censors (the folks who felt that, during >the 40's it was obscene to indicate that ANYONE, particularly >married people, slept in the same bed together, with the result >that bedroom scenes always had the couple sleeping in their own >individual single beds). Who apperently when thru the roof when they saw Casablanca. It was real obvious what Rick and Ilsa were doing in Paris, but there were no bedroom scenes to cut. A classic example of Art over Asshole. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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RE: Net Control is Thought Control
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:34 PM 1/10/96 -0500, Pete Loshin wrote: >Magazines and TV (and books, newspapers, movies etc.) are _NOT_ >regulated, at least not as to content. These media are all >pretty much self-regulated. Lots of content regulation in the US: Libel, slander, indecency (radio and TV), obscenity, Federal Trade Commission (advertizing controls), Food and Drug Administration (drug 'labeling' and info controls), booze and cigarette advertizing, EEOC (controls on discriminatory advertizing), children's television requirements, civil defense broadcast requirements, station identification requirements, civil controls on advertizing foreign financial services (did you know this was illegal?), civil liability for carrying 'hit man' ads, etc. I'd come up with more if I had more time. I'll add more over the next few days as I think of them. Not to mention the numerous content controls in countries other than the US. The Nets will smash all of these content controls. DCF

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Is this true...
by Ted Garrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Being new to crypto subjects, I guess I'm pretty gullable about how much one should use encryption in general. I remember reading somewhere that it would probably be best for the 'world as a whole' if everyone used encryption whenever possible so that when you DO send encrypted messages that actually contain information you want kept secret, it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. To that end, I should imagine that once I have a person's pgp key, they may well never see another cleartext message from me again! Of course, now I'm trying to figure out how to use the anonymous remailers and such. Boy, this is fun! Of course, the fact that my government doesn't really care for the idea of publicly available cryptography makes it even more enticing. - -- Ted Garrett Live Systems Integration -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMPQhKc1+l8EKBK5FAQGkqgf7BN6GxJ5MHCAJZwfuS1JjNNQanT471L3O 0VEhkg0S0GG+827Swly3Bi+0BABcGcQatBSMGFRiecjIEzrRRa/6ME4tAr8qT/EW DXVksWk4Bf6ax8uIF1uPf0uIOeQHOuCZwVnH7uHYCpaOMaMeTVobbyLeT30Gc5Ou YhRIeyUvTazqlWqQaNSLSJX1no9Ph0R6WnDMUYGXof+VXgLw//jddcEfMYYn24hA C8860mAbzke95iuACGcu6hzrr6njVaPMJHqyHb8kZwOjuESzDxZw0cYxt3VRPE72 NXqHzati0Rc/uzpx9FXV5lopRd0fFQUBOK75w0PA3Q5h/RQE6cvj+g== =SQ81 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Net Metaphor
by Bruce Baugh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Given that most people have neither the time nor interest to understand how the net really works, we need concise images that convey the truth. In particular, we need to get across to the net.unhip masses the idea that the net is not a "thing", not any single organization. I've recently begun using this metaphor: the Internet is a society, composed of all the systems that "speak" its computer protocols. In this it's like, say, the society of all English-speakers. The English-language society includes governments and businesses and churches and fraternal orders and magazines and all sorts of things, but it isn't any of them. And obviously there is nobody in charge of the English-language society as a whole - the language itself evolves over time (and changes across space), and no institution controls the whole show. When I've brought that up, I've all but seen lightbulbs go on over people's heads. Bruce Baugh bruceab(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~bruceab

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Re: NSA says strong crypto to china??
by Gary Howland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > you think that's a bit ridiculous? i'm paid via an NIH grant given to my > adivisor by the govt. this stipend is taxed. it didn't used to be > (started to be taxed around '86 i believe). why the hell doesn't the > govt just save everyone the trouble and pay me less. i'm sure they could > get rid of a couple of IRS people this way. It's even sillier over here in Europe, and the paperwork is probably a couple of order of magnitudes more expensive (due to the translations required). Quick example (but old figures) - the EU spends $10 million a year to campaign against smoking, and then spends $1200 million a year to subsidise tobacco production. Thought for the day - Think about what the 'S' in IRS stands for. Gary - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMPUO4yoZzwIn1bdtAQGTEQGAuuoLP0gviZeGIuy7o4oc3jqanUYKp5eT Ce4FxXNfmz3DGZ6FY1UPGIEYZL6a7XzY =/sBS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Crypto Law Survey - new URL and update
by Bert-Jaap Koops 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The URL of my Crypto Law Survey has been changed several times over the past month due to changes in servers. Apologies. It is now located at http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/lawsurvy.htm (and it is meant to stay there :-)). So, please put pointers to this new URL, and accept my apologies for the inconvenience. To make up for this, I have updated the survey with all recent events, such as the ICC meeting in Paris and the recent discovery of a crypto law in Belgium, and added a few links. As always, comments are more than welcome. Kind regards, Bert-Jaap ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bert-Jaap Koops tel +31 13 466 8101 Center for Law and Informatization facs +31 13 466 8102 Tilburg University e-mail E.J.Koops(a)kub.nl -------------------------------------------------- Postbus 90153 | This world's just mad enough to have been made | 5000 LE Tilburg | by the Being his beings into being prayed. | The Netherlands | (Howard Nemerov) | --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/schrdijk/CRI/people/bertjaap.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Can you break my encryption protocol ? - improvements
by Martin Diehl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 1/9/96 at 1:55pm, Bob Baldwin wrote: > Mark, > The protocol works well ... [SNIP] > Server computes: > X = Dec(K, Vs) > Test that H(X) = Ns, if not ... > All subsequent communications should be encrypted with K. > -- Bob Baldwin I think that the last part should be: Server computes: X = Dec(K, Vc) Test that H(X) = Nc Martin G. Diehl

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Re:
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Belgium has 'key escrow' law
by lvhove＠vnet3.vub.ac.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Surprise, surprise. Today's issue of 'De Standaard', Flanders' most respected newspaper, reports that - much to everybody's amazement - Belgium has a key escrow law in working order - or almost... The newspaper states that certain articles of a much 'broader' law that was passed on the 21th of December 1994, if enforced - which to date has _not_ been the case, would imply that encryption of computer messages is illegal unless the private key is registered with the BIPT (the Belgian Institute for Postal services and Telecommunication; a government administration that regulates the telecom sector). At the time of enactment these articles went almost completely unnoticed - hence the amazement. As mentioned, said articles are not enforced yet but it now appears that a working group, called Belinfosec (Belgium Information & Security), led by a colonel of the military intelligence services - no less, is preparing a report which would contain further specifications and would propose enacting clauses. Note that at present there is already legislation up and working that enables Belgian law enforcement to tap telephone lines 'in specific circumstances' (i.e., suspicion of criminal or terroristic activities). Judging by the newspaper article it will not be long before this will include computer messages. Asked for a reaction, officials from the banking sector reacted with both disbelief and outrage. The article quotes the head of security at Banksys (the interbank consortium that operates Belgium's nation-wide ATM/POS-network) who considers it to be "unacceptable" and "an intrusion on privacy" if government authorities were to be able to monitor all the money flows that pass through the Banksys network. He also fears that once revealed to the authorities, the keys might fall into the wrong hands, thus jeopardizing the system's security. I'll try to find out more and keep you informed. Ciao, leo P.S. I'm not on the cpx mailing list, so please Cc me. _________________________________________________________________________ Leo Van Hove Centre for Financial Economics Vrije Universiteit Brussel (Free University of Brussels) Pleinlaan 2 B-1050 Brussels Vox: +32 2 629.21.25 Fax: +32 2 629.22.82 e-mail: lvhove(a)vnet3.vub.ac.be VUB's Web site: http://www.vub.ac.be _________________________________________________________________________

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